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Old 20th Jan 2018, 12:04
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Originally Posted by Black Crow View Post
Stepping stone? YGTBSM?

Why would anyone want that smudge on their resume?
I wasn't advocating CP as a wise career move. I was asking a question on a subject with which I no personal experience.

I do know people often take lesser quality positions on their way to bigger and better. In fact, that's rather common.

This ENTIRE website is running over with reports of ghastly bad jobs...and people inquiring how to get in on the deals.

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Old 20th Jan 2018, 13:41
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Originally Posted by bafanguy View Post
I wasn't advocating CP as a wise career move. I was asking a question on a subject with which I no personal experience.

I do know people often take lesser quality positions on their way to bigger and better. In fact, that's rather common.

This ENTIRE website is running over with reports of ghastly bad jobs...and people inquiring how to get in on the deals.
Yep, people want in, they somehow believe "it won't be like that for me" and "I'll just go there to get experience so I can get a better job later".

First fallacy, It's not going to change because you show up there. There has been a revolving door at CP for years. Pilots come there, endure the abuse until they simply can't take it anymore then bail out. Some pilots have actually come in from flying a trip, walk across the terminal and get on an international trip never to return. Sorry, this doesn't happen at properly run airlines.

Another fallacy, getting the experience. Most of the world knows just how horrible CAAP is and how corrupt. They are also aware of the extremely poor training of CP. When a pilot shows up with a CAAP license and CP on their resume that alerts them that this person is likely unqualified for the position they are applying for.

There are jobs everywhere for pilots now, good paying jobs with quality companies. For those with the proper certificates and the right attitude getting into a cockpit is easier than it's been in years.

If you must live in the Philippines and absolutely must work for CP, then go for it. They will take anyone who will sign their ridiculous contracts, endure their non existent and punitive training, cower to their idiotic management, attempt to endure brutal scheduling practices and be in the lowest pay brackets. Get use to be lied to constantly as well while having your pay skimmed.

And don't forget you will be flying with pilots who don't know aircraft systems, have little knowledge of jet performance and have the hand flying skills less than a private pilot.
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Old 20th Jan 2018, 23:43
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In the Philippines, it’s not what you know, rather who you know! So don’t say things aren’t aren’t fair, because things are ‘fair’!

You can buy a mansion in the Philippines for a £80,000, although you can’t buy land or a house without Filipino citizenship. However, you can indeed live like a king for less than £1,000/Mth.

Your mobile phone bill will be just as much as western countries.

Cars cost just as much as in the West, but no point having a car as it’ll just get wrecked in the crazy traffic.

Beautiful islands, very friendly and hospitable people, so cheap to eat out.

AFAIK, you pay $1,000 for your work permit.

Very common to not be paid on time in the Philippines across a lot of sectors and industries.

I don’t know how they will get 320 rated pilots with 500h on type when there are plenty of western 320 operators crying out for 320 rated pilots!

Not a country I’d recommend you work in without some local connections. They say that the Philippines’ biggest export is its people both educated and uneducated, what does that tell you!
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Old 13th Feb 2018, 16:24
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CAE Parc Aviation are currently recruiting Non-type rated A330 Captains and First Officers on behalf of Cebu Pacific Airlines.

Available screening dates ongoing.

Basic Monthly Salary:
Captain: PhP 123,500 (depending on flying time on aircraft type and seat)
First Officer: PhP 80,000 (depending on flying time on aircraft type and seat
***Thirteenth (13th) month pay for every completed calendar year**

Productivity pay:
Captain: PhP 4,450 per hour (Maximum of 1,000 hours per year and no more than 100 hours per month.
First Officer: PhP 3,350 per hour (Maximum of 1,000 hours per year and no more than 100 hours per month.
Bases: Manila, Philippines
Rotation: Commuting roster 6/2.
Do you hold the following minimum requirements?

Non-Type Rated Captains

6,000 + hours Total Flight Time (Minimum of 3500 hours on multi-pilot turbo-jet airplane with MTOW of 50 tons)
2000+ PIC hours multi-pilot turbo-jet airplane with MTOW of 50 tons
Date of last flight within 6 months at the date of commencing assignment
Valid ATPL
Valid Class 1 Medical
English Proficiency Level 04
No History of Incidents or Accidents
Non-Type Rated First Officers

2,000 hours Total Flight Time (Minimum of 1,000 hours on multi-pilot turbo-jet airplane with MTOW of 50 tons)
Or 1,500 hours multi-pilot turbo-prop airplane with MTOW of 10 tons
Date of last flight within 6 months at the date of commencing assignment
Valid ATPL
Valid Class 1 Medical
English Proficiency Level 04
No History of Incidents or Accidents
Benefits include:

Medical Insurance coverage and Christmas Bonus
Annual Shopping Benefits
Vacation Leave and Sick Leave
Access to staff travel for employee and dependents on Cebuís network.
A330 Type Rating.

Greetings Y'all

Has anybody gotten hired on the above contract? Please share your 'pre and post experiences?

Bye Y'all
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Old 13th Feb 2018, 19:21
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Notice they conveniently forget to mention the training bond. They also fail to mention that base pay and productivity pay does not begin until after training and Line Supervised Experience, typically about 6 months. So bring lots of money to live on.

And they fail to tell you that the pilot is responsible for paying for everything, medical, work permit, license conversion, test, ELP, radio permit, etc. Bring lots of money.

They also fail to mention how their draconian vacation leave works, i.e how one is charged vacation days for their normal off days to insure one can't stretch out the vacation. And vacation doesn't pay protect the pilot for productivity pay, only for base pay.

And how one is not pay protected for productivity if he/she calls in sick. Have an 8 hour trip and call in sick? You lose 8 hours of productivity pay.

So taking vacation or sick days can be very expensive for the pilot in lost productivity.

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Old 13th Feb 2018, 23:40
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Originally Posted by Capt.Tentacles View Post
CAE Parc Aviation are currently recruiting Non-type rated A330 Captains and First Officers on behalf of Cebu Pacific Airlines.

Available screening dates ongoing.

Basic Monthly Salary:
Captain: PhP 123,500 (depending on flying time on aircraft type and seat)
First Officer: PhP 80,000 (depending on flying time on aircraft type and seat
***Thirteenth (13th) month pay for every completed calendar year**

Productivity pay:
Captain: PhP 4,450 per hour (Maximum of 1,000 hours per year and no more than 100 hours per month.
First Officer: PhP 3,350 per hour (Maximum of 1,000 hours per year and no more than 100 hours per month.
Do the math. Base pay for a Capt is $2572 US per month. Productivity Pay is $90.72 US per flight hour. No trip or duty rigs. So an 80 hour month the Capt is making $9988 US per month, or if you look at it yearly it's just about $120,000 US. The rest of the world is paying A330 Captains $250,000 US a year or better.

Oh, and that 13 month pay? That's only the base salary, $2572.


Originally Posted by Capt.Tentacles View Post
Bases: Manila, Philippines
Rotation: Commuting roster 6/2.
That should tell you all you need to know. Living and commuting to work in Manila is a nightmare. Live 5 miles from the airport? Better plan on at least an hour commute, if not more each way, every day.

And that 6/2 roster? Plan on your last day of the 6 weeks to arrive Manila at 3am (of your day off) and plan on being ready to fly again at midnight preceding your day to start. In other words, your 14 days is really 12 days.


Originally Posted by Capt.Tentacles View Post
Medical Insurance coverage and Christmas Bonus
Annual Shopping Benefits
Vacation Leave and Sick Leave
Access to staff travel for employee and dependents on Cebu’s network.
A330 Type Rating.
Medical insurance? Yea, it's great if you never get sick or need it. Have a major medical problem? Better have lots of money saved up.

Shopping benefits? Yep, in Robinson's. Again, nothing to write home about.

See above post on vacation and sick leave policy. A joke.

Free travel? Get ready to jump through some hoops, and family travel is limited, very limited.

A330 Type Rating. Yep, on a CAAP license trained by CP. In other words, useless outside of the Philippines. Oh, and you will sign a three year training bond.

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Old 18th Feb 2018, 02:46
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Black Crow as usual, an excellent 'Forensic Actuarial Dissection' of the Cebu Pacific A330 CPT & FO, Contract T & C's and all it's Subtle Nuances and such!!

What would be very interesting to find out is, Why, CAE/PARC, is doing the 'dirty work, i.e. pimping' for Cebu Pacific, as to lure prospective pilots, and then once on the property and/or committed to the contract, to pull a 'switcharoo'on them!! Therefore, by employing, 'Bait and Switch', tactics!!
What about their (CAE/PARC) reputation?

Anybody hired on these contract T & C's then switched to local contract. Please share your experiences?

Once again, keep up the good work Black Crow!

Capt. T

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Old 18th Feb 2018, 14:06
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Everything about CP is bait and switch when it comes to pilot recruitment. Many promises made, offer of employment letters that state one thing but once the pilot is on property then they are told something else.

*If* CP was to be transparent in their pilot recruitment no one in their right mind would go near the place. And Lance would have to bring his hiring and training standards up to 21st Century Western standards, which initially would cut into his profit margin but in the long run would place his company in a secure situation with a stable and safe workforce.

But Lance continues to surround himself with "yes men" who only have one goal, maximum profits. The Chinese side of Lance also still wants to treat employees as servants whose only purpose is to provide him with maximum profit while enduring unreal working conditions.
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Old 18th Feb 2018, 23:27
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What would be very interesting to find out is, Why, CAE/PARC, is doing the 'dirty work, i.e. pimping' for Cebu Pacific, as to lure prospective pilots, and then once on the property and/or committed to the contract, to pull a 'switcharoo'on them!! Therefore, by employing, 'Bait and Switch', tactics!!
What about their (CAE/PARC) reputation
Most agencies would associate themselves with just about anyone, last year cae parc was recruiting for a very shoddy African operator, the guys who was recruited never even flew. So to think ok its with cae parc the job must be half decent and transparent think again.
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