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Ha ha, Nice one Tanua. Any way I just interviewed with RBA so I dont work for them.
However @Rarely do PM Me if you like.
However @Rarely do PM Me if you like.
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Retaining talent a major issue for Royal Brunei
CAPA > Aviation News > Retaining talent a major issue for Royal Brunei
4-Aug-2015 1:21 PM
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Royal Brunei Airlines deputy chairman Dermot Mannion, at the CAPA Australia Pacific Aviation Summit, said (04-Aug-2015) managing and maintaining talent is a major issue for the airline. Mr Mannion said the aviation industry is “at its most predatory” when it comes to talent. Mr Mannion said the carrier faces challenges in maintaining its pilot and engineer workforce.
Rather disingenuous Mr Mannion, the truth is:
1) No other airline is being predatory, some are certainly proactive (look that word up) because they at least realize jets without pilots are expensive ornaments. The fact is you are allowing your management to drive people away. The buck stops with you.
2) RBA has not lost anybody to a predator airline for about 2 years, Pilots have either found life in Royal Brunei and/or Brunei Darussalam just too difficult and drifted away, often without securing employment elsewhere first.
3) You have done absolutely nothing or shown the slightest willingness to retain a single pilot or engineer. In fact the last pay deal: can you tell us was it 6% 3% 2.5% or Zero because we really haven't got a clue what we were supposed to get. All we know is it was not 6%, and only Boeing Pilots got 3%, the Airbus Pilots got a maximum 2.5% and new joiners got 0%.
4) You treat pilots like a commodity but seem unwilling to pay the market rate, especially for Airbus Pilots (the 2.5%ers). In fact some of your Senior First Officers, nearly all on the Airbus, recently had a pay cut. Those brave enough to stand up to it will see their careers blighted. A number of Boeing Senior First Officers will soon receive a cut in take-home pay after being bullied and threatened into transferring to the Airbus.
They have not been 'stalked' by' predatory' airlines but 'startled' by the oncoming and incomprehensible 'Career Progression' into looking elsewhere for real progression.
4) You have a Fllght Operations Management 'team' that is by any measure inept.
Note: the letters Pg. Do not automatically confer infinite wisdom to the individual to whom they are attached. Neither does the ability to eat 5 meals a day.
5) Your Human Resources Dept. needs to be kept well away from anything human.
6) Staff Travel has the word 'Travel' in it.
Yes I am sure lots of 'talented' people have left, and for reasons that could easily be corrected, but you and your management team(s) are quite clearly uninterested. Tell that to CAPA.
Anybody thinking about joining moving their family half way around the world and/or signing up for 3 years should seriously consider other options, of which there are many.
Anybody planning a long term career needs to read these:
http://www.economist.com/news/asia/2...ay-and-no-work
All pray and no work
"An autocratic sultanate turns more devout as oil money declines"
"Without new discoveries, Brunei’s oil and gas reserves will last only 24 years, according to a report by BP, an oil company."
"The IMF has advised it to freeze public-sector wages and hiring, cut fuel subsidies and abandon big projects. It calls for measures to boost low productivity and encourage job growth".
"Many men find comfortable jobs in government: attendance at Friday prayers and royal ceremonies is compulsory; hard work is optional."
"Zealots assert that a more pious Brunei will probably grow faster, because Allah will perhaps let it discover more hydrocarbons. The growing consensus, as one analyst puts it, is: “You don’t need to work, but to pray.”"
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/repor...ticle22750399/
Brunei’s oil-fuelled economy running on empty.
#Brunei is fast heading back to earth after a joyride fuelled by fountains of oil. Brunei has no income tax, no sales tax and loopholes big enough that many companies pay no corporate tax. It subsidizes basic foodstuffs and sells gasoline for 47 cents a litre. It is the world’s fourth-richest nation in GDP per capita. Oil brought outrageous riches to the royal family, which has accused one of its own of personally squandering $16-billion (U.S.)."
"But the bounty in the “abode of peace,” as Brunei Darussalam translates to, is starting to run thin. Oil production is down 40 per cent since 2006, while plummeting prices have robbed a good deal of the value from what remains."
“In some ways it’s one of the luckiest countries on earth, because they’re a small population with lots of oil,” said Todd Wilcox, the chief executive of HSBC Brunei. “But in some ways it’s a bit unlucky, because they have nothing else.”
Now Brunei finds itself struggling to find that something else.
"Nearly 96 per cent of Brunei’s exports are oil, gas and related products, more than Saudi Arabia, Kuwait or the United Arab Emirates. At its current pace of extraction, Brunei has enough oil left for just 22 years, according to the BP World Energy Outlook. Saudi Arabia, by comparison, has 63 years left, while Kuwait has 89 (Canada has more than 100). For the past decade, Brunei has found only a half-barrel of new oil for every one it removes from the ground."
"“I don’t think any economist would be very bullish about the future of Brunei’s non-oil and gas sectors, to put it mildly,” said Ian Storey, a senior fellow at the Institute of Southeast Asian Studies in Singapore."
"A culture that hasn’t had to do much competing for business – heavily-subsidized Royal Brunei Airlines is one of the region’s least profitable air carriers – can be a frustrating place to work."
Mash'Allah
CAPA > Aviation News > Retaining talent a major issue for Royal Brunei
4-Aug-2015 1:21 PM
© CAPA
Royal Brunei Airlines deputy chairman Dermot Mannion, at the CAPA Australia Pacific Aviation Summit, said (04-Aug-2015) managing and maintaining talent is a major issue for the airline. Mr Mannion said the aviation industry is “at its most predatory” when it comes to talent. Mr Mannion said the carrier faces challenges in maintaining its pilot and engineer workforce.
Rather disingenuous Mr Mannion, the truth is:
1) No other airline is being predatory, some are certainly proactive (look that word up) because they at least realize jets without pilots are expensive ornaments. The fact is you are allowing your management to drive people away. The buck stops with you.
2) RBA has not lost anybody to a predator airline for about 2 years, Pilots have either found life in Royal Brunei and/or Brunei Darussalam just too difficult and drifted away, often without securing employment elsewhere first.
3) You have done absolutely nothing or shown the slightest willingness to retain a single pilot or engineer. In fact the last pay deal: can you tell us was it 6% 3% 2.5% or Zero because we really haven't got a clue what we were supposed to get. All we know is it was not 6%, and only Boeing Pilots got 3%, the Airbus Pilots got a maximum 2.5% and new joiners got 0%.
4) You treat pilots like a commodity but seem unwilling to pay the market rate, especially for Airbus Pilots (the 2.5%ers). In fact some of your Senior First Officers, nearly all on the Airbus, recently had a pay cut. Those brave enough to stand up to it will see their careers blighted. A number of Boeing Senior First Officers will soon receive a cut in take-home pay after being bullied and threatened into transferring to the Airbus.
They have not been 'stalked' by' predatory' airlines but 'startled' by the oncoming and incomprehensible 'Career Progression' into looking elsewhere for real progression.
4) You have a Fllght Operations Management 'team' that is by any measure inept.
Note: the letters Pg. Do not automatically confer infinite wisdom to the individual to whom they are attached. Neither does the ability to eat 5 meals a day.
5) Your Human Resources Dept. needs to be kept well away from anything human.
6) Staff Travel has the word 'Travel' in it.
Yes I am sure lots of 'talented' people have left, and for reasons that could easily be corrected, but you and your management team(s) are quite clearly uninterested. Tell that to CAPA.
Anybody thinking about joining moving their family half way around the world and/or signing up for 3 years should seriously consider other options, of which there are many.
Anybody planning a long term career needs to read these:
http://www.economist.com/news/asia/2...ay-and-no-work
All pray and no work
"An autocratic sultanate turns more devout as oil money declines"
"Without new discoveries, Brunei’s oil and gas reserves will last only 24 years, according to a report by BP, an oil company."
"The IMF has advised it to freeze public-sector wages and hiring, cut fuel subsidies and abandon big projects. It calls for measures to boost low productivity and encourage job growth".
"Many men find comfortable jobs in government: attendance at Friday prayers and royal ceremonies is compulsory; hard work is optional."
"Zealots assert that a more pious Brunei will probably grow faster, because Allah will perhaps let it discover more hydrocarbons. The growing consensus, as one analyst puts it, is: “You don’t need to work, but to pray.”"
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/repor...ticle22750399/
Brunei’s oil-fuelled economy running on empty.
#Brunei is fast heading back to earth after a joyride fuelled by fountains of oil. Brunei has no income tax, no sales tax and loopholes big enough that many companies pay no corporate tax. It subsidizes basic foodstuffs and sells gasoline for 47 cents a litre. It is the world’s fourth-richest nation in GDP per capita. Oil brought outrageous riches to the royal family, which has accused one of its own of personally squandering $16-billion (U.S.)."
"But the bounty in the “abode of peace,” as Brunei Darussalam translates to, is starting to run thin. Oil production is down 40 per cent since 2006, while plummeting prices have robbed a good deal of the value from what remains."
“In some ways it’s one of the luckiest countries on earth, because they’re a small population with lots of oil,” said Todd Wilcox, the chief executive of HSBC Brunei. “But in some ways it’s a bit unlucky, because they have nothing else.”
Now Brunei finds itself struggling to find that something else.
"Nearly 96 per cent of Brunei’s exports are oil, gas and related products, more than Saudi Arabia, Kuwait or the United Arab Emirates. At its current pace of extraction, Brunei has enough oil left for just 22 years, according to the BP World Energy Outlook. Saudi Arabia, by comparison, has 63 years left, while Kuwait has 89 (Canada has more than 100). For the past decade, Brunei has found only a half-barrel of new oil for every one it removes from the ground."
"“I don’t think any economist would be very bullish about the future of Brunei’s non-oil and gas sectors, to put it mildly,” said Ian Storey, a senior fellow at the Institute of Southeast Asian Studies in Singapore."
"A culture that hasn’t had to do much competing for business – heavily-subsidized Royal Brunei Airlines is one of the region’s least profitable air carriers – can be a frustrating place to work."
Mash'Allah
Last edited by madmufti; 16th Aug 2015 at 17:17.
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Nice one Madmufti. Reading your post support's my first impression's. 3 People at my face to face interview, Only 1 introduced himself properly and his name. The other 2, I never had a clue who or what they are in RBA I guessed 1 was HR
.
I got an "Unsuccessful this time" letter later and frankly not worried either. As you say other option's available or stay put, My 10 cent's.
. I got an "Unsuccessful this time" letter later and frankly not worried either. As you say other option's available or stay put, My 10 cent's.
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These are my experiences.
Firstly do not listen to advice from anybody on the B78&, they have had the very best of RB and inhabit a different world. As an Airbus pilot you will be treated as a second class pilot.
I was told 55 hours a month, the reality is closer to 75. You will work every available day due to constant split-duties.
Generous leave of 57 days: The reality is leave is hard to get and will not be confirmed until too late to book anything. Also taking leave reduces your days off. The truth is closer to 42 days of leave.
Days off are often scheduled as single days off- useless.
Schooling, more expensive than I was led to believe, and the two International schools are pretty full.
Training: More checking than training. More on the Asian/Chinese than European model. Can be very frustrating. Line training is a daily exam.
Staff travel is generally okay on the regional route network, a bit hit and miss back to Europe. The annual Contract Leave Ticket is supposed to be confirmed in business class but priority is no better than an ID90, you can be bumped off and downgraded. If you live outside of the UK you will be routed via London no matter how inconvenient this is. Also be aware your 'confirmed' seat may not be confirmed until the very last minute. The annual Free of Charge ticket is NOT available until you have served one year so it seems in a 3 year contract you will only get 2. Not many inter-line partners so very limited worldwide travel.
The B787 fleet is a lot happier, better paid and works a lot less, however it now looks like you would have to complete about 5-7 years/3500 hours in RBA to get even a sniff at that.
Pay is definitely falling behind airlines paying in a reserve currency like the US Dollar, if you want to save in Sterling you have had about a 10% pay cut in the last year due to the strengthening pound.
Overall the airline does seem to suffer a lack of coherent/experienced/focused management in key areas. On line you are very much on your own as the operations staff are unwilling or unable to help you or able make a decision.
Brunei is very central for Asia / Australia and NZ but you do need the days off and leave to take advantage of it.
Overall impression is: many areas in need of improvement but nobody can actually be bothered to do anything. If there is a plan nobody is sharing it with the pilots. Plans for more Airbuses but no new routes being announced and anyway no crews to fly them.
As one of the above posts suggests money seems tight. Brunei itself is a curious mix of grand government projects, abandoned projects and boarded up shops. Rumour has it even Government owned businesses have been told no more money you must borrow from the banks.
These are my experiences.
Firstly do not listen to advice from anybody on the B78&, they have had the very best of RB and inhabit a different world. As an Airbus pilot you will be treated as a second class pilot.
I was told 55 hours a month, the reality is closer to 75. You will work every available day due to constant split-duties.
Generous leave of 57 days: The reality is leave is hard to get and will not be confirmed until too late to book anything. Also taking leave reduces your days off. The truth is closer to 42 days of leave.
Days off are often scheduled as single days off- useless.
Schooling, more expensive than I was led to believe, and the two International schools are pretty full.
Training: More checking than training. More on the Asian/Chinese than European model. Can be very frustrating. Line training is a daily exam.
Staff travel is generally okay on the regional route network, a bit hit and miss back to Europe. The annual Contract Leave Ticket is supposed to be confirmed in business class but priority is no better than an ID90, you can be bumped off and downgraded. If you live outside of the UK you will be routed via London no matter how inconvenient this is. Also be aware your 'confirmed' seat may not be confirmed until the very last minute. The annual Free of Charge ticket is NOT available until you have served one year so it seems in a 3 year contract you will only get 2. Not many inter-line partners so very limited worldwide travel.
The B787 fleet is a lot happier, better paid and works a lot less, however it now looks like you would have to complete about 5-7 years/3500 hours in RBA to get even a sniff at that.
Pay is definitely falling behind airlines paying in a reserve currency like the US Dollar, if you want to save in Sterling you have had about a 10% pay cut in the last year due to the strengthening pound.
Overall the airline does seem to suffer a lack of coherent/experienced/focused management in key areas. On line you are very much on your own as the operations staff are unwilling or unable to help you or able make a decision.
Brunei is very central for Asia / Australia and NZ but you do need the days off and leave to take advantage of it.
Overall impression is: many areas in need of improvement but nobody can actually be bothered to do anything. If there is a plan nobody is sharing it with the pilots. Plans for more Airbuses but no new routes being announced and anyway no crews to fly them.
As one of the above posts suggests money seems tight. Brunei itself is a curious mix of grand government projects, abandoned projects and boarded up shops. Rumour has it even Government owned businesses have been told no more money you must borrow from the banks.
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The resignations may have started, after making every effort to retain talent, but fear not:
Resurrection At Royal Brunei
Pilot and engineer shortages “biggest headache”
Royal Brunei Airways’ deputy chairman and CEO, Dermot Mannion, told Orient Aviation pilot and engineer shortages were the carrier’s “biggest headaches”. “Managing talent and retaining the loyalty of good talent
is the biggest challenge we face,” he said. “The Middle East carriers are very hungry. They recruit people wherever they can. We lost some pilots to the Middle East, but we have won some back and that is a good sign. Its a similar story with engineers because we train them very well. Some went off to the Middle East, but we are beginning to see them returning.”
So Pilots who have left including locals presumably who were told they were 'traitors' and could never return are forgiven flooding back to join the Airbus Fleet. Excellent news.
Resurrection or Necrophilia: you chose.
Does 'lost' have the same meaning as 'sacked'. I seem to remember 11 of my colleagues being 'sacked' rather than merely mislaid, before going to the sandpit.
Read the whole fantasy airline management article at: http://http://www.orientaviation.com...Issues/386.pdf
Resurrection At Royal Brunei
Pilot and engineer shortages “biggest headache”
Royal Brunei Airways’ deputy chairman and CEO, Dermot Mannion, told Orient Aviation pilot and engineer shortages were the carrier’s “biggest headaches”. “Managing talent and retaining the loyalty of good talent
is the biggest challenge we face,” he said. “The Middle East carriers are very hungry. They recruit people wherever they can. We lost some pilots to the Middle East, but we have won some back and that is a good sign. Its a similar story with engineers because we train them very well. Some went off to the Middle East, but we are beginning to see them returning.”
So Pilots who have left including locals presumably who were told they were 'traitors' and could never return are forgiven flooding back to join the Airbus Fleet. Excellent news.
Resurrection or Necrophilia: you chose.
Does 'lost' have the same meaning as 'sacked'. I seem to remember 11 of my colleagues being 'sacked' rather than merely mislaid, before going to the sandpit.
Read the whole fantasy airline management article at: http://http://www.orientaviation.com...Issues/386.pdf
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ROYAL BRUNEI AIRLINES IN TROUBLE Royal Brunei pays the price of decades-long wrong strategy - ...
2015
Still hemorrhaging cash subsidizing cheap fares MEL-LHR.
Already back to SGN, plans to return to Brisbane and Perth.
Still arrogant?
Still lacking vision?
Even closer to financial asphyxia?
More deluded than ever?
Level playing field? Playing downhill, with no opposition and a wide open goal the width of the touchline, they still could not compete.
ROYAL BRUNEI AIRLINES IN TROUBLE Royal Brunei pays the price of decades-long wrong strategy - ...
The end of a dream, but probably also of an increasingly frightening nightmare.
Still hemorrhaging cash subsidizing cheap fares MEL-LHR.
Already back to SGN, plans to return to Brisbane and Perth.
Still arrogant?
Still lacking vision?
Even closer to financial asphyxia?
More deluded than ever?
Level playing field? Playing downhill, with no opposition and a wide open goal the width of the touchline, they still could not compete.
