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Old 17th Jul 2019, 08:08
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Originally Posted by Viking101 View Post
interesting news...

I am in the process of potentially applying for the DEC A330, however I hear their screenings are terrible?!

The sim is apparently crazy, and the medical is insane- heard about a guy who needed to give liver biopsi just to check alcohol consuption...

Any feedback on this at all?
about the medical yes, chinese are really strict about that. So i guess its true
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Old 17th Jul 2019, 13:59
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Im thinking to move out from china.. its too much already, but some company asking for an important documents release by CAAC. And thatís sounds impossible to get. Anyone ever get it before ?
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Old 22nd Jul 2019, 20:08
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How ironic that the place that demands the most in terms of paperwork and red tape dishes out the least when you want to escape. That's what a mate of mine at CSA told me so good luck with getting the escape blurb!
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Old 22nd Jul 2019, 20:28
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Originally Posted by tgo15 View Post
Im thinking to move out from china.. its too much already, but some company asking for an important documents release by CAAC. And that’s sounds impossible to get. Anyone ever get it before ?









Moving out from China and going back to Europe? Which possible documents would you need from the riceeaters?

China is a CLEAR no go area if you are making a concious decission considering basic western freedoms. For example - recently another recruitment company tried to get hold of me, I think run by some spanish pilots for various chinese "airlines", after I made clear some basic WESTERN ground rules the young guy(that is now returning to Europe because he filled his money bucket and most likely as well the other one) told me that China is CLEARLY not for me. I fully agree(he approached me via Linkedin, not the other way around).

IF your are a bitch there is acutally an easier way to make money(sorry about my blunt language), WHY would you need to go for that to China. For all of the other guys here there is no real discussion to go there in the first place. Weird place, weird companies(all of them after all), weird authority(and yes, that says someone from EASA land). There is just no way a western pilot could easily blend into that weird bunch. Of course you could fake it(haven't we done that all ;-) - if not wait till you get a bit older^^ ), but this is just not honest.

I am not judging by any means please, but I was actually thinking about China for a very long time. However, not like most of my collegues, I took the time to read THAT book, investigated further, asked questions(which some of them did not like) to companies AND agencies. And the end this is all just a big "bubble". It MIGHT work out, but there are no warranties. For a pilot this is an unacceptable risk(and least for many of us "old style guys" which have been the airline preference for many decades because it ment we where reliable). It might be different for the NG but that is not my beer anymore.

But again - any western company normally is happy with a reference or a record of employment for the last five(5) years. That's it. No other china crap required. Except - maybe - do not go there. Money is not everything in life. Try to get a hold of that weird perspective
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Old 4th Aug 2019, 23:36
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What I'm saying is, you could now get potentially get up to 14 day trips out of your RSP, come home and have 3 days off then go back for another 7, home for 2, etc all in the same month. At the moment we have 10/11 day trips starting to appear.

A lot of the guys RSP rosters are now down towards the minimum contractual obligation of 8 days off at home, which essentially works out less than the commuting roster, without the advantage of taking it all in one block.
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Old 5th Sep 2019, 12:54
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Bump..........:
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Old 11th Sep 2019, 08:42
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Are the rumours true punishments getting outrageous there now?
Ive heard through the grapevine a Foreign Captain on a cargo flight went outside for a toilet break with an upset stomach. Returns 11 mins later and responds to ATC call he hears on return over speakers.
Apparently FO missed all ATC calls while Captain was on the toilet.
Result Captain demoted sent to office 20 days and requires 200hrs seat time training!!!??

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Old 13th Sep 2019, 01:22
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737 Jock, yes sadly you are correct.
The 777 is in a league of its own .
Several B Captains have been punished for running out of landing currency. The punishment for one poor soul, 13000 USD loss of pay and 3 days in the naughty corner.All because leader captains refuse to give foreigners landings and unfortunately the managers refuse to acknowledge the problem.
777 is to be avoided.
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Old 14th Sep 2019, 00:55
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China Southern is to be avoided
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Old 15th Sep 2019, 17:08
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Originally Posted by Cedrus View Post
China Southern is to be avoided
The most accurate statement I have read on PPRuNe for some time........well said.
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Old 19th Sep 2019, 12:31
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Flip me sounds like they love their punishments at China Southern. I hope there isn't some kind of unwritten policy to cause trouble for the foreign pilots. There will always be a few trainers in any airline with hidden agendas, seems to be the way of it from my experience.
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Old 19th Sep 2019, 12:38
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Originally Posted by Count von Altibar View Post
Flip me sounds like they love their punishments at China Southern. I hope there isn't some kind of unwritten policy to cause trouble for the foreign pilots. There will always be a few trainers in any airline with hidden agendas, seems to be the way of it from my experience.
The punishments are not exclusive from China Southern, rather it seemed to be the culture here with the major airlines in China. This is such as they have to also deal with CAAC that is very punitive in nature.
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Old 28th Sep 2019, 19:39
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Originally Posted by streetguy View Post
The punishments are not exclusive from China Southern, rather it seemed to be the culture here with the major airlines in China. This is such as they have to also deal with CAAC that is very punitive in nature.
BTW, punishments are now greatly increased in all Mainland China; it is easy to get a grounding of at least one year; one simulator failure is 6 months as FO. At the beginning of September one crew from Shandong Airlines has landed on the wrong runway coming from a VOR / DMEapproach (!8L instead of 18R): three (3) years grounded.
Greetings.
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Old 29th Sep 2019, 01:06
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Originally Posted by joe falchetto 64 View Post
BTW, punishments are now greatly increased in all Mainland China; it is easy to get a grounding of at least one year; one simulator failure is 6 months as FO. At the beginning of September one crew from Shandong Airlines has landed on the wrong runway coming from a VOR / DMEapproach (!8L instead of 18R): three (3) years grounded.
Greetings.
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Has the trade war added any additional pressure from management or CAAC on expat crew?
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Old 5th Oct 2019, 20:48
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Guys, any information which countries as passport and/or licences are denied by CAAC?
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Old 6th Oct 2019, 06:47
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Originally Posted by captain.weird View Post
Guys, any information which countries as passport and/or licences are denied by CAAC?
Loooooong list and it changes all the time.
CAAC approves more licence issuing states every year but thats not to say that the passport from the newly approved licence state will necessarily be accepted. 2 different things 😩😩😩

PM me for more details if you wish.
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