When is a shortage not a shortage
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When is a shortage not a shortage
I just read on a blog that the failure rate of new hires undertaking line training at airlines in Indonesia can be as high as 80%. Can anyone confirm or refute this?
If true then that is nothing but scary. The blog painted a picture of a CPL being pretty easy to get in Indonesia as it was the job of the airlines to weed out the ones who weren't up to standard.
So after spending 50-70K USD on a CPL and then being bonded 50k more there is a high chance the airline could cut you because at no time has anyone actually told you that you cant fly to save yourself!! You probably could but since no one has bothered to train you properly you weren't even given a chance. So 100K USD later you may not have a job.
What I also don't know is why are they doubling the output of the major schools if the standard is already terrible. What do they think will happen to the quality?. No point putting out twice the amount of graduates if only 20% of them make the cut anyway.
Please tell me it isn't true.
If true then that is nothing but scary. The blog painted a picture of a CPL being pretty easy to get in Indonesia as it was the job of the airlines to weed out the ones who weren't up to standard.
So after spending 50-70K USD on a CPL and then being bonded 50k more there is a high chance the airline could cut you because at no time has anyone actually told you that you cant fly to save yourself!! You probably could but since no one has bothered to train you properly you weren't even given a chance. So 100K USD later you may not have a job.
What I also don't know is why are they doubling the output of the major schools if the standard is already terrible. What do they think will happen to the quality?. No point putting out twice the amount of graduates if only 20% of them make the cut anyway.
Please tell me it isn't true.
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can u give us the blog? any researh he has done?
80% is ridicilous...I never heard that and dont belive that number.
In the place I'm working, only 2 failure in line training out of over 50 sucessfull ab initio. They were categorized as lazy, didnt have the motivation to improve their abilities, repeating the same mistakes, among one of the reason....
The key is rest on the recruitment process..
80% is ridicilous...I never heard that and dont belive that number.
In the place I'm working, only 2 failure in line training out of over 50 sucessfull ab initio. They were categorized as lazy, didnt have the motivation to improve their abilities, repeating the same mistakes, among one of the reason....
The key is rest on the recruitment process..
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Bras,
My post says that up to 80% fail line training suggesting that its not Ab initio training they are failing. Its airline line training they are bombing out of.
My post says that up to 80% fail line training suggesting that its not Ab initio training they are failing. Its airline line training they are bombing out of.
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Chute, maybe my post wasn't clear.
I was referring to initial first officer, just finished flying school, doing line training in the airline I'm working for..
Sorry for the misled
I was referring to initial first officer, just finished flying school, doing line training in the airline I'm working for..
Sorry for the misled
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I should post a link to the blog. Will have look for it again.
Found it
Hmmm no I haven't. The link doesn't work so just type "Kate Montressor blog" into google and it should be hit number 1. Go to the 2012 archive on the RHS.
Bras, Is your outfit jet RPT?
Found it
Hmmm no I haven't. The link doesn't work so just type "Kate Montressor blog" into google and it should be hit number 1. Go to the 2012 archive on the RHS.
Bras, Is your outfit jet RPT?
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Chute, I'm bus driver, on 73s' before...
But if we talked about real P2F, who didn't undergo a proper selection process, whose just paid the agent to get the job, I'm with you... There was some stories about them, having 3-400hrs on Line training, but still no idea how to land the acft...Company kept them till 500hrs as stated on contract..
Bad management meet their prey on hands...
But again, 80% is too high figure
But if we talked about real P2F, who didn't undergo a proper selection process, whose just paid the agent to get the job, I'm with you... There was some stories about them, having 3-400hrs on Line training, but still no idea how to land the acft...Company kept them till 500hrs as stated on contract..
Bad management meet their prey on hands...
But again, 80% is too high figure
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There is no pilot shortage, there may be an impending shortage of QUALIFIED commanders. But pilot shortage? That's just something the flight schools perpetuate to get you to spend your money with them. Likewise, Boeing and Airbus perpetuate the same myth to justify the new MPL abortion. That allows Boeing and Airbus to factor in cheap pilots into the DOC of the aircraft thereby allowing them to sell more jets to unsuspecting startups.
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1147,
Do you get all your FO trainee's from the SJ academy? If this is the case then that could explain the 90% pass rate at SJ.
The blog I mention, focused on an independent flying school with some questionable teaching methods. I know that a lot of airlines here are sourcing cadets from their own schools now. Do you think the fail rate could have been really bad once but has improved with the arrival of airline run flying schools?
Do you get all your FO trainee's from the SJ academy? If this is the case then that could explain the 90% pass rate at SJ.
The blog I mention, focused on an independent flying school with some questionable teaching methods. I know that a lot of airlines here are sourcing cadets from their own schools now. Do you think the fail rate could have been really bad once but has improved with the arrival of airline run flying schools?
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Airline run flight schools in Indonesia undergo quite an involved selection process involving psychometric testing, skills test and interview. Even during the pre-PPL stage, some schools monitor the progress of their students and those who don't show any progression are dropped out of the program. The same goes for the student pilots at the national flight school STPI.
I think the 80% failure rate is anything but a guess and a very bad one at that. The blog author was only in Indonesia for a very short time I believe.
I think the 80% failure rate is anything but a guess and a very bad one at that. The blog author was only in Indonesia for a very short time I believe.
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Pin,
If you have 250 hours on one of the following types or have a caravan rating and 1000 hours total pm me.
737, A320, F50, SSJ, Twin Otter, CASA 212.
If not then no, no one is hiring.
If you have 250 hours on one of the following types or have a caravan rating and 1000 hours total pm me.
737, A320, F50, SSJ, Twin Otter, CASA 212.
If not then no, no one is hiring.
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What's the criteria for expat pilots in Indonesia and the dough? Someone with say 500+ hours on a B737NG... And who are the ones worth flying for?
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