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Old 5th Jun 2013, 23:00
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FLYSCOOT AIR

Just saw an advert for non rated captains for FlyScoot. Any ideas of this airline would be welcome....who is running it??English or Australians??? salaries and general future. Thanks guys and gals.
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Old 6th Jun 2013, 00:51
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How much does 50% of a 777 rating cost????

PFT is alive and well - even for 777 operators...

According to website as of June 2013:

Captain

Job Description Other than fun and excitement, the job encompasses:
  • Ensure the safety of passengers, other crew members and the aircraft
  • Serve the company in any part of the world and on any of the routes served by the company, including the operation of special or chartered flights, passenger or freighter aircraft;
  • Undertake ground handling, in accordance with the ground handling course conducted for pilots, at stations where the aircraft has diverted to and/or where the company has not engaged a contractor to provide ground handling services for the type of aircraft you’re serving on; and perform such other duties in the air and on the ground as the company may reasonably require of a Captain.
Required Skills
  • Min. 2000 total flight hours in command on commercial jet aircraft.
  • Preference will be given to applicants with Glass Cockpit/Flight Management Systems experience.
  • Pilots without a B777 rating will undergo a conversion and be expected to fund 50% of the costs.
First Officer

Job Description Other than fun and excitement, the job encompasses:
  • Ensure the safety of passengers, other crew members and the aircraft
  • Serve the company in any part of the world and on any of the routes served by the company, including the operation of special or chartered flights, passenger or freighter aircraft;
  • Undertake ground handling, in accordance with the ground handling course conducted for pilots, at stations where the aircraft has diverted to and/or where the company has not engaged a contractor to provide ground handling services for the type of aircraft you’re serving on; and perform such other duties in the air and on the ground as the company may reasonably require of a First Officer.
Required Skills
  • Min. 1500 total flight hours on commercial jet aircraft.
  • Preference will be given to applicants with Glass Cockpit/Flight Management Systems experience.
  • Pilots without a B777 rating will undergo a conversion and be expected to fund 50% of the costs.
I understand most airlines require a training bond with prorated amounts reduced from salaries, but this implies pilots might have to fund part of the training up-front... Right?

Wonder if they will charge pilots for differences training once the 787s start to arrive in a few years? This is certainly one way to ensure you weed-out the non-777 rated prospects who might be interested - many of whom could be quite experienced (on 737s/A320s) and good potential employees.

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Old 6th Jun 2013, 01:29
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who is running it??English or Australians??? salaries and general future. Thanks guys and gals.
.. the airlines is based in Singapore...and is run by Singaporeans why would they need expats to run the airline ? they only expat line pilots not management
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Old 6th Jun 2013, 03:19
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I think the CEO is a Kiwi or Aussie.
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All of them are Singaporeans, starting with the CEO who is New Zealander???
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Old 6th Jun 2013, 03:36
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Great to see!!! I've submitted my app.

Thank you for posting the info!

Would be very happy to fly for them, regardless and would extremely happy to get back to work after not working for 5 months.

Its been a really tough go

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Old 6th Jun 2013, 19:04
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Perhaps someone could share how it works under the SQ airline umbrella:

- If you are a current Silkair pilot and you want to transfer to Scoot (or you are bumped), would you need to fund part of your type rating?

- More generally, are current Silkair, SQ and SQC pilots able to bid around to the other carriers within the group? Can a current SQC pilot apply/bid to Scoot or even mainline SQ? Are Silkair pilots granted slots at SQ, SQC and Scoot?

- Does anyone know how the salary/benefits at Scoot compare to those at Silkair and SQC? I have heard Scoot pilots are paid on local terms and I assume those at mainline SQ are paid the highest.

- Where does SQ mainline expect to source all of the pilots required to fly their 50+ A350s and 30 787-10Xs currently on order? Is the current expectation that the pilot pipeline starts at the internal flight school and then the pilot progress up through Silkair before mainline SQ?

- Like Scoot, do mainline SQ ever higher experienced pilots from other airlines for junior FO positions (i.e., non expat captains - perhaps those from regional airlines like AirAsia, Lionair, Jetstar Asia, etc.)?


Cheers for any insight! PMs also welcome.
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Old 7th Jun 2013, 09:56
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I wonder how many are willing to pay the 50%
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Old 7th Jun 2013, 12:42
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How many are willing to fully fund their T/R with the likes of Lion Air?
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Old 7th Jun 2013, 13:05
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Are they hiring because people are leaving, or because of expansion?
Didn't SQ kick out their expats just recently, why not offer them a position with Scoot? Or maybe they did and were told to .... off?
Local pay in Scoot, does that mean you have the same employment protection as the locals, or just lower pay and the first to go if things turn bad?
Historically, expats have been sitting on ejections seats in SQ and SQC.
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Old 7th Jun 2013, 13:07
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you be surprised... the amount of CV (resumes) to Lion stating they willing to pay typerating.. for a job.. Of course people are stating that is wrong, bad morals etc.. but secretly accepting to pay for typerating.

Btw most are from Europe. not from India.
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Old 7th Jun 2013, 14:34
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It will be interesting to see what Scoot claim are 50% of training costs seeing as how they are Singapore Airlines for all practical reasons as far as training costs

When I joined SQ as a DEC I had a huge bond ( which in my opinion bore no relation to what my conversion cost SQ) and had to put up a large bank guarantee, but I at least got it all back once I had completed 5 years on the line so the only cost to me was the charge made by DBS Bank for the paperwork, around S$1800 from memory.

If they expect Pilots to pay 50% of what SQ said it costs when I joined then on what they are paying to live in Singapore on the T & C's on offer I would be surprised if the deal will be of interest to many.

PS I can see another huge problem in the strength of the Singapore Dollar. When I put up my bank guarantee in cash the exchange rate was S$2.4 to the £ Stg but now it is what exactly to the £Stg around S$1.8? Not sure how the Sing $ is for other currencies like the Euro/US $

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Old 7th Jun 2013, 15:22
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30 000 SGD was the cost posted on the Terms and conditions forum, not sure if that is 100 % or 50 %. And I'm not sure if that figure is up to date or even from a reliable source.
I've never paid for a rating before, but 30 000 SGD sounds just about right for a 777 rating?
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Old 8th Jun 2013, 13:46
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Mana - I think 30k is the bucks you stump up front in the form of a bank guerantee - the actual bond is round about 150k. Would you believe that Scoot want a bond for a TYPE rated guy - yea a type rated guy!!! Even a SQ ex 777 expat that is getting fired at the end of the month!! 18k - reason is so they dont leave in a hurry - get it back after three years.

Scoot are not expanding - what they are doing is getting a pool of applicants to have when the pilots they have now, give them the finger and bugger off to other lines!
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Old 8th Jun 2013, 14:33
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Won't Scoot be adding 20 787s (former SQ orders)? I think Scoot currently operates 4-5 older 777s with the first 787 replacement aircraft arriving in 2014. Again, would be interesting to see if they charge for differences training...
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Old 9th Jun 2013, 05:07
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The terms and conditions on Scoot was very vague.

Does anyone have any more info, namely on the F/O package?

Does anyone here actually work for Scoot?

Is there anything more concrete than rumours?

Anyone from Scoot who has some reliable info that they would be willing to discuss or share with us or me via a PM?

I would be very grateful

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Old 9th Jun 2013, 14:51
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conditions are quite simple, 20K sgd gross for 80 hrs, about 17.5 net, no staff travel, no bonus period. Ok money in Singapore.....if you've got no kids. Planning to expand....if they make money. If management is as incompetent as SQ it will be a short adventure.... unless temasek wants to use it to write off tax, SQC style. True, type rated DEC's are bonded 18k, non rated bonded like if they took an apollo conversion, 30k off their own pocket.
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Old 9th Jun 2013, 23:40
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Good info Richard.

Other questions: where has Scoot sourced its FOs (in past or recently)? Internal SQ sources (i.e., Silkair or SQC) or external sources (i.e., AirAsia, Jetstar, Lionair, etc.)? Also, how many FOs will likely be added this year - any estimate?

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Old 10th Jun 2013, 00:57
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Lion Air pay to flyers make up a more than a couple of the FO positions at Scoot. They just cant stop paying!!
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Old 10th Jun 2013, 04:43
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What's this ground handling course?
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