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You need to be pretty rich to join this family.. first you need to pay for interview (airline ticket, hotel, etc etc), then the medical, conversion of your license, bond for 5 yrs and 50% of overpriced typerating etc.
I think I be outpocket just by getting to Singapore, expensive country..
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" Recruitment Process:
1. Pre-Assessment (Video Interview & Online Aptitude Test)
2. Assessment Day (for selected candidates)
3. SIM / Medical / Conversion of Licence / Work Pass application (for selected candidates)
Assessment will take half a day. SIM & Medical dates will be arranged within 4 days following the assessment. Candidates are required to submit their conversion of licence application form personally to CAAS, with the required supporting documents & all original logbooks.
Please note Scoot will not bear the following costs:
- Air ticket, accommodation & miscellaneous incidentals (E.g. Taxi fares / Meals / Excess Baggage charge). We do provide linkups for corporate hotel rates upon request.
- Medical checkup fees.
- Conversion of Licence application fee S$345 (Visa / Master) to CAAS
- CAAS mandatory exam fees
- Relocation to Singapore upon accepting Scoot's Offer
- Depedant pass application / renewal (if applicable)
Scoot's contract & Training bond (Non B777-rated pilot):
-Scoot’s contract/offer letter is an initial term of 5 years.
- Where you’re not B777 rated, the Company will grant a loan of S$33,000 to you in respect of 50% of S$66,000 licence conversion cost.
- You are required to secure a surety / banker’s guarantee for a training bond of S$57,000 (Captain) / S$47,000 (First Officer).
Who can act as your surety (Guarantor):
- Above 21 years of age
- Singaporean/Singapore Permanent Resident/Singapore Employment Pass Holder
- Gainfully employed
- Have not been a party to an existing training bond agreement - Am not a bankrupt
- Cannot be a fellow Scoot employee
How do I know if I am rated and if I can fall under 'Partial Conversion'?
Pilots who are B747 rated will be allowed to go through partial conversion.
What do you get for the effort you put in:
Gross monthly Salary would include:
- Basic Salary
- Productivity Incentive
- Transport allowance
- Per Diem allowance (payout as per IRAS guidelines)
- *performance bonus (As per Management's discretion)
The extent of your tax liability will depend on your tax residency status. Scoot's Benefits:
- Hospitalisation and Surgical Insurance
- 28 days of annual leave per financial year
- 14 days of sick leave per financial year
- 60 days of hospitalization leave (including sick leave) per financial year -
Flexi-Benefit Scheme
- Staff Travel Benefits .. on there NETWORK ONLY"
I think I be outpocket just by getting to Singapore, expensive country..
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" Recruitment Process:
1. Pre-Assessment (Video Interview & Online Aptitude Test)
2. Assessment Day (for selected candidates)
3. SIM / Medical / Conversion of Licence / Work Pass application (for selected candidates)
Assessment will take half a day. SIM & Medical dates will be arranged within 4 days following the assessment. Candidates are required to submit their conversion of licence application form personally to CAAS, with the required supporting documents & all original logbooks.
Please note Scoot will not bear the following costs:
- Air ticket, accommodation & miscellaneous incidentals (E.g. Taxi fares / Meals / Excess Baggage charge). We do provide linkups for corporate hotel rates upon request.
- Medical checkup fees.
- Conversion of Licence application fee S$345 (Visa / Master) to CAAS
- CAAS mandatory exam fees
- Relocation to Singapore upon accepting Scoot's Offer
- Depedant pass application / renewal (if applicable)
Scoot's contract & Training bond (Non B777-rated pilot):
-Scoot’s contract/offer letter is an initial term of 5 years.
- Where you’re not B777 rated, the Company will grant a loan of S$33,000 to you in respect of 50% of S$66,000 licence conversion cost.
- You are required to secure a surety / banker’s guarantee for a training bond of S$57,000 (Captain) / S$47,000 (First Officer).
Who can act as your surety (Guarantor):
- Above 21 years of age
- Singaporean/Singapore Permanent Resident/Singapore Employment Pass Holder
- Gainfully employed
- Have not been a party to an existing training bond agreement - Am not a bankrupt
- Cannot be a fellow Scoot employee
How do I know if I am rated and if I can fall under 'Partial Conversion'?
Pilots who are B747 rated will be allowed to go through partial conversion.
What do you get for the effort you put in:
Gross monthly Salary would include:
- Basic Salary
- Productivity Incentive
- Transport allowance
- Per Diem allowance (payout as per IRAS guidelines)
- *performance bonus (As per Management's discretion)
The extent of your tax liability will depend on your tax residency status. Scoot's Benefits:
- Hospitalisation and Surgical Insurance
- 28 days of annual leave per financial year
- 14 days of sick leave per financial year
- 60 days of hospitalization leave (including sick leave) per financial year -
Flexi-Benefit Scheme
- Staff Travel Benefits .. on there NETWORK ONLY"
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"onesixty2four:Anyone who touches this must be mentally deficient, desperate and untouched by any other halfway decent airline."
Each place has its shortcomings and no place is perfect.If you think by accepting the terms and conditions one is selling oneself,then everyone has to fly only for BA /lufthansa.
South east asia has its minus points in terms of airline employment but on the other hand would you prefer to fly in Riyadh and have the airline take care of all costs?
These are individual decisions people make based on their lifestyle and requirements.
Sure Vietjet pays for all screening costs and then the circus starts after employment.
So I presume you made the statement about mental deficiency without any facts.
Cause I have seen FAR EAST/middle east and south east.
Nothing is what it seems and some give here ,some take there...in the end there are legendary carriers who still respect the profession like Qantas/BA/Lufthansa and then the rest, you are just a Glorified bus driver.
Times are changing and we need to understand that.
If you feel so strongly about it,why are you not getting into management or at least forcing airline managements worldwide to stop charging POOR Mr.FO to pay for their training?
Criticism and action are two different things
Each place has its shortcomings and no place is perfect.If you think by accepting the terms and conditions one is selling oneself,then everyone has to fly only for BA /lufthansa.
South east asia has its minus points in terms of airline employment but on the other hand would you prefer to fly in Riyadh and have the airline take care of all costs?
These are individual decisions people make based on their lifestyle and requirements.
Sure Vietjet pays for all screening costs and then the circus starts after employment.
So I presume you made the statement about mental deficiency without any facts.
Cause I have seen FAR EAST/middle east and south east.
Nothing is what it seems and some give here ,some take there...in the end there are legendary carriers who still respect the profession like Qantas/BA/Lufthansa and then the rest, you are just a Glorified bus driver.
Times are changing and we need to understand that.
If you feel so strongly about it,why are you not getting into management or at least forcing airline managements worldwide to stop charging POOR Mr.FO to pay for their training?
Criticism and action are two different things
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"onesixty2four:Anyone who touches this must be mentally deficient, desperate and untouched by any other halfway decent airline."
Each place has its shortcomings and no place is perfect.If you think by accepting the terms and conditions one is selling oneself,then everyone has to fly only for BA /lufthansa.
South east asia has its minus points in terms of airline employment but on the other hand would you prefer to fly in Riyadh and have the airline take care of all costs?
These are individual decisions people make based on their lifestyle and requirements.
Sure Vietjet pays for all screening costs and then the circus starts after employment.
So I presume you made the statement about mental deficiency without any facts.
Cause I have seen FAR EAST/middle east and south east.
Nothing is what it seems and some give here ,some take there...in the end there are legendary carriers who still respect the profession like Qantas/BA/Lufthansa and then the rest, you are just a Glorified bus driver.
Times are changing and we need to understand that.
If you feel so strongly about it,why are you not getting into management or at least forcing airline managements worldwide to stop charging POOR Mr.FO to pay for their training?
Criticism and action are two different things
Each place has its shortcomings and no place is perfect.If you think by accepting the terms and conditions one is selling oneself,then everyone has to fly only for BA /lufthansa.
South east asia has its minus points in terms of airline employment but on the other hand would you prefer to fly in Riyadh and have the airline take care of all costs?
These are individual decisions people make based on their lifestyle and requirements.
Sure Vietjet pays for all screening costs and then the circus starts after employment.
So I presume you made the statement about mental deficiency without any facts.
Cause I have seen FAR EAST/middle east and south east.
Nothing is what it seems and some give here ,some take there...in the end there are legendary carriers who still respect the profession like Qantas/BA/Lufthansa and then the rest, you are just a Glorified bus driver.
Times are changing and we need to understand that.
If you feel so strongly about it,why are you not getting into management or at least forcing airline managements worldwide to stop charging POOR Mr.FO to pay for their training?
Criticism and action are two different things
As I have said before, have some respect for yourself and your license.
"Times are changing and we need to understand that". The usual copout from someone who knows his/her selfish actions are undermining the hard work of others in a desperate attempt to get ahead of their experience/skills level.
BTW, I do feel strongly about it because I can see in another decade or so this sort of behaviour will lead to pilots working max hours for very little pay and I feel sorry for the true professionals who are honestly trying to make their way through without getting an a33reaming. But I'll be out of it by then as I am making good money on a realistic schedule and have plenty stashed away because the generation before me wasn't as narcissistic and self centred as the current "command by 30 at all costs" brigade. Good luck with that.
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I am currently in SE Asia, and have been in East Asia prior to that for a total of 10 years now. So......perhaps I do know what I'm talking about. And guess what? I haven't had to pay for a damn thing since my MEIR over 25 years ago. Even when I recently changed types. The company in that case wanted me to self sponsor - I said no thanks. A week later they got in touch to say they'd fund it all.
As I have said before, have some respect for yourself and your license.
"Times are changing and we need to understand that". The usual copout from someone who knows his/her selfish actions are undermining the hard work of others in a desperate attempt to get ahead of their experience/skills level.
BTW, I do feel strongly about it because I can see in another decade or so this sort of behaviour will lead to pilots working max hours for very little pay and I feel sorry for the true professionals who are honestly trying to make their way through without getting an a33reaming. But I'll be out of it by then as I am making good money on a realistic schedule and have plenty stashed away because the generation before me wasn't as narcissistic and self centred as the current "command by 30 at all costs" brigade. Good luck with that.
As I have said before, have some respect for yourself and your license.
"Times are changing and we need to understand that". The usual copout from someone who knows his/her selfish actions are undermining the hard work of others in a desperate attempt to get ahead of their experience/skills level.
BTW, I do feel strongly about it because I can see in another decade or so this sort of behaviour will lead to pilots working max hours for very little pay and I feel sorry for the true professionals who are honestly trying to make their way through without getting an a33reaming. But I'll be out of it by then as I am making good money on a realistic schedule and have plenty stashed away because the generation before me wasn't as narcissistic and self centred as the current "command by 30 at all costs" brigade. Good luck with that.
Onesixty2four
If you felt strongly about it,you would not work for these companies as a mark of protest.
You did not and will not cause as you said it "Making good money".
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I am currently in SE Asia, and have been in East Asia prior to that for a total of 10 years now. So......perhaps I do know what I'm talking about. And guess what? I haven't had to pay for a damn thing since my MEIR over 25 years ago. Even when I recently changed types. The company in that case wanted me to self sponsor - I said no thanks. A week later they got in touch to say they'd fund it all.
As I have said before, have some respect for yourself and your license.
"Times are changing and we need to understand that". The usual copout from someone who knows his/her selfish actions are undermining the hard work of others in a desperate attempt to get ahead of their experience/skills level.
BTW, I do feel strongly about it because I can see in another decade or so this sort of behaviour will lead to pilots working max hours for very little pay and I feel sorry for the true professionals who are honestly trying to make their way through without getting an a33reaming. But I'll be out of it by then as I am making good money on a realistic schedule and have plenty stashed away because the generation before me wasn't as narcissistic and self centred as the current "command by 30 at all costs" brigade. Good luck with that.
As I have said before, have some respect for yourself and your license.
"Times are changing and we need to understand that". The usual copout from someone who knows his/her selfish actions are undermining the hard work of others in a desperate attempt to get ahead of their experience/skills level.
BTW, I do feel strongly about it because I can see in another decade or so this sort of behaviour will lead to pilots working max hours for very little pay and I feel sorry for the true professionals who are honestly trying to make their way through without getting an a33reaming. But I'll be out of it by then as I am making good money on a realistic schedule and have plenty stashed away because the generation before me wasn't as narcissistic and self centred as the current "command by 30 at all costs" brigade. Good luck with that.
Onesixty2four
If you felt strongly about it,you would not work for these companies as a mark of protest.Besides we all know what good that would do.
You did not and will not cause as you said it, "Making good money".
I have seen enough silence in the real world but ,hey the same lot will yell night and day on PPRUNE.
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Ikon , have you lost your mind ?
It's because of people like you that terms have fallen so much. The minute people stop paying and say NO to these conditions , things will revert back to the good old days pretty darn fast .
Don't give them a dime go elsewhere
It's because of people like you that terms have fallen so much. The minute people stop paying and say NO to these conditions , things will revert back to the good old days pretty darn fast .
Don't give them a dime go elsewhere
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Onesixty2four
If you felt strongly about it,you would not work for these companies as a mark of protest.Besides we all know what good that would do.
You did not and will not cause as you said it, "Making good money".
I have seen enough silence in the real world but ,hey the same lot will yell night and day on PPRUNE.
If you felt strongly about it,you would not work for these companies as a mark of protest.Besides we all know what good that would do.
You did not and will not cause as you said it, "Making good money".
I have seen enough silence in the real world but ,hey the same lot will yell night and day on PPRUNE.
But hey! Keep bending over and taking it. By the time I'm out and relaxing you'll be sitting there on a fraction (in real terms) what I have made wondering where it all went wrong.
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IKON,
you're a mug with a brown nose.
....and remember to retract that landing gear coz paying all that money doesn't mean you and your mates over there have the nuts and bolts it takes to make a real pilot.
Go back to bending over mate.....
you're a mug with a brown nose.
....and remember to retract that landing gear coz paying all that money doesn't mean you and your mates over there have the nuts and bolts it takes to make a real pilot.
Go back to bending over mate.....
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I am surprised that they let you have the TAC operating.
Would be a pleasure to watch a SE, raw data, non precision, TAC inop approach in low visibility.
Somehow I keep thinking of the blind horse pulling the cart with a wheel off.
On a narrow snaking wet and muddy mountainous pathway...
Hehehe.
So damned unreal !
Would be a pleasure to watch a SE, raw data, non precision, TAC inop approach in low visibility.
Somehow I keep thinking of the blind horse pulling the cart with a wheel off.
On a narrow snaking wet and muddy mountainous pathway...
Hehehe.
So damned unreal !
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I was in a south East Asian Airline when one of the EU nation folded up.
The nationals of that country we're offered an upgrade to P1 but we're being skinned to the bone for the upgrade.They we're 45 plus and clearly being taken advantage of.
Try listening to their personal plight (no job back home,no upgrade offer &in a reasonable time frame,,everyone had a story )
As a captain I could only offer sympathy but I certainly did not offer sarcastic comments because it was roses on my side of the field.
But then I already guessed your a pilot not a human.
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I am currently in SE Asia, and have been in East Asia prior to that for a total of 10 years now. So......perhaps I do know what I'm talking about. And guess what? I haven't had to pay for a damn thing since my MEIR over 25 years ago. Even when I recently changed types. The company in that case wanted me to self sponsor - I said no thanks. A week later they got in touch to say they'd fund it all.
As I have said before, have some respect for yourself and your license.
"Times are changing and we need to understand that". The usual copout from someone who knows his/her selfish actions are undermining the hard work of others in a desperate attempt to get ahead of their experience/skills level.
BTW, I do feel strongly about it because I can see in another decade or so this sort of behaviour will lead to pilots working max hours for very little pay and I feel sorry for the true professionals who are honestly trying to make their way through without getting an a33reaming. But I'll be out of it by then as I am making good money on a realistic schedule and have plenty stashed away because the generation before me wasn't as narcissistic and self centred as the current "command by 30 at all costs" brigade. Good luck with that.
As I have said before, have some respect for yourself and your license.
"Times are changing and we need to understand that". The usual copout from someone who knows his/her selfish actions are undermining the hard work of others in a desperate attempt to get ahead of their experience/skills level.
BTW, I do feel strongly about it because I can see in another decade or so this sort of behaviour will lead to pilots working max hours for very little pay and I feel sorry for the true professionals who are honestly trying to make their way through without getting an a33reaming. But I'll be out of it by then as I am making good money on a realistic schedule and have plenty stashed away because the generation before me wasn't as narcissistic and self centred as the current "command by 30 at all costs" brigade. Good luck with that.
I second you 1624. Last I paid was for my FAA ME IR too. Pay to fly is not the way to go. Because of few pilots who are ready to sell themselves, the whole industry is getting to this tune. If everyone refuses to pay, where will they find pilots ? Off course bonding is a norm but not paying for type. In one of the airlines assessment I was even paid a handsome layover allowance ! How amazing.
At least Don't be desperate for your second airline job guys.
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I don't have complete stats. Heard it from a guy who joined them during early days on 777. He is now a 787 capt. Probably command comes for the best.
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Command in Scoot does not necessarily comes for the best but for the closer to management, for instance, the flying skills of all the local guys that got promoted on first batch was more than questionable however they got the left seat based on political reason, promotion of local talent, if I remember correct.