Malindo Pilots Contract
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Malindo Pilots Contract
Does anyone know what contract was given to Malindo DFO in Malaysia?
From what i heard cadets are required to fork up RM145K for 738 rating, no pay for the first 500 hours and a bond of 15 years. If they do decide to break the bond, they're required to pay RM300k.
I'm not too sure about this thats why im just asking whether anyone can verify this info.
From what i heard cadets are required to fork up RM145K for 738 rating, no pay for the first 500 hours and a bond of 15 years. If they do decide to break the bond, they're required to pay RM300k.
I'm not too sure about this thats why im just asking whether anyone can verify this info.
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There was a thread about this before which mentioned something like that for
a Training agreement.
Either way if its true good luck to them to enforce it, that is truly ridiculous!
a Training agreement.
Either way if its true good luck to them to enforce it, that is truly ridiculous!
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Mommy and Daddy! Waste more money on me and buy me a non-paying job!
. I want it now!. If you don't buy me that non-paying flying job, I'll hold my breath until I turn blue!
. I want it now!. If you don't buy me that non-paying flying job, I'll hold my breath until I turn blue!
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if this is true, that's terrible and basically slavery!! I know people get desperate after spending a lot of money on training and still not having a job for a while but surely any one with an ounce of dignity wont consider this monstrosity of a deal
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How is it that they can afford 145k just for training? Are loans arranged by the company or what? Wish those who got offered the job in the recent intake could shed some light on this. It would really suck if they were bonded for 15 years even after paying for their own training.
500 hrs will take approx 2 yrs to complete no pay and in debt ? WOW ! 
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Sounds like the Company plan is to avoid losing money on training,
Ask the Trainee to pay for Rating and add a bit for any other expenses incurred hence 145K RM. Don't pay for Trainee for 500 hrs while the Trainee completes line training on revenue flights. The 15 year 300K sounds like a threat either way if anyone runs off the company dont lose by the looks of it.
My 10RM worth and as I said Ridiculous and seem tailored on P2F style
Pay for TR fly 500 for free..
Ask the Trainee to pay for Rating and add a bit for any other expenses incurred hence 145K RM. Don't pay for Trainee for 500 hrs while the Trainee completes line training on revenue flights. The 15 year 300K sounds like a threat either way if anyone runs off the company dont lose by the looks of it.
My 10RM worth and as I said Ridiculous and seem tailored on P2F style
Pay for TR fly 500 for free..
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The public doesn't really care about how much pilots are paying for their training as long as they get to fly for cheap prices. Plus, whoever accepted the contract given by Malindo knows the price they have to pay for it and are more willing to do so for this job. My question still remains, how do they get so much money for the training? I doubt that the 179 cadets that got the job are all that rich to pay for such a huge amount.
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And no, they will not fail. At least not in the near future. They've got very solid financial backing. I wish them all the best. IIt's for the good of Malaysian aviation industry. More competition among airlines now. And more jobs too.
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@koji how do you know they have a solid financial backing ??
If the company was serious about it, they wouldn't do the P2F, they would invest in the pilots.
The deal offered is inhumane and i really do hope people throw it back in their face.
The only way the company can afford low prices is if they can squeeze out the pennies out of the helpless pilots.
ps koji if you do end up working for them, be prepared to fly ac's with many dmi's and also check out the planks in the cockpit, they are all leased !!
More options for the Malaysian public i agree but i do hope the Malaysian dgca keep a tight leash on them
If the company was serious about it, they wouldn't do the P2F, they would invest in the pilots.
The deal offered is inhumane and i really do hope people throw it back in their face.
The only way the company can afford low prices is if they can squeeze out the pennies out of the helpless pilots.
ps koji if you do end up working for them, be prepared to fly ac's with many dmi's and also check out the planks in the cockpit, they are all leased !!
More options for the Malaysian public i agree but i do hope the Malaysian dgca keep a tight leash on them
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If the company was serious about it, they wouldn't do the P2F, they would invest in the pilots.
The only way the company can afford low prices is if they can squeeze out the pennies out of the helpless pilots.
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there are hundreds CPL waiting to get into Malindo.. because they are desperate... no one is hiring.. not airasia or malaysia.. they can go anywhere else. the government does mind.. because along they are providing jobs for the local.. everyone is happy..
Its asia Gtr21, you can argue your case..but paying money to fly etc... but in asia Its business.. you got the goods, he has the money.. let do business. most of these guys have loan from the government.. because they are Malaysian ethnic (Orang asli).
Air asia also make money from the cadets.. nothing for free..here..
Its asia Gtr21, you can argue your case..but paying money to fly etc... but in asia Its business.. you got the goods, he has the money.. let do business. most of these guys have loan from the government.. because they are Malaysian ethnic (Orang asli).
Air asia also make money from the cadets.. nothing for free..here..
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Btw Air asia still has a scheme... with CAE. AIR ASIA – DIRECT ENTRY CAPTAINS - NO A320 EXPERIENCE REQUIRED and pay for type rating and pay for admin fees etc..
Money makes the turbine spins.. and local malaysian (all ethnic)
with experience...
it all business....
Money makes the turbine spins.. and local malaysian (all ethnic)
with experience... it all business....
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If the company was serious about it, they wouldn't do the P2F, they would invest in the pilots.
The deal offered is inhumane and i really do hope people throw it back in their face.
The deal offered is inhumane and i really do hope people throw it back in their face.
From where you're from yes it may seem inhumane, but for the people here that's life. If they could get offered jobs overseas they would, but the truth is no foreign company will want to go through all that trouble with all the paper work just to get you into the country to allow you to work as a lowly second officer that has to start from scratch.
if you do end up working for them, be prepared to fly ac's with many dmi's and also check out the planks in the cockpit, they are all leased
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Kind sirs dont get me wrong i do understand the difficulties in getting a job and i know this is how things work in regards to supply and demand.
I am just sorry for the genuine pilots who are gonna be shut out due to fact they cant afford to pay malindo's demands.
Koji@ yes i am not from around here but i do work around here, so i kinda do know the lay of the land, dont tell me there were no jobs in asia as there was, until the 250 hour rule was introduced, from top my head in indonesia sky, wings, susi were recruiting for fresh graduates, did any of these guy who are sooo eager for a job come over and do the leg work to get a job?
You also say they got this idea from lion air, the P2F is only for foreigner not the locals and even then the deals are a lot more better, again i understand the market is hard, i can justify paying for type to get a job, but paying 50 grand and bonded for15 years, thats just insane.
The issue is people dont want to fly a carawan or a prop, they want to be in a jet with 250 hours and when it doesnt happen they sit at home and cry saying there is no jobs.
Please do not justify that this kind of deals are ok as they are distroying a lot more than just aviation.
And you do relise lion also operates brand new ac's? The issue is the maintence and as malindo is just an extension of lion i dont hold much hope, i do hope thou the malaysian dgca takes sterner control than here thou
I am just sorry for the genuine pilots who are gonna be shut out due to fact they cant afford to pay malindo's demands.
Koji@ yes i am not from around here but i do work around here, so i kinda do know the lay of the land, dont tell me there were no jobs in asia as there was, until the 250 hour rule was introduced, from top my head in indonesia sky, wings, susi were recruiting for fresh graduates, did any of these guy who are sooo eager for a job come over and do the leg work to get a job?
You also say they got this idea from lion air, the P2F is only for foreigner not the locals and even then the deals are a lot more better, again i understand the market is hard, i can justify paying for type to get a job, but paying 50 grand and bonded for15 years, thats just insane.
The issue is people dont want to fly a carawan or a prop, they want to be in a jet with 250 hours and when it doesnt happen they sit at home and cry saying there is no jobs.
Please do not justify that this kind of deals are ok as they are distroying a lot more than just aviation.
And you do relise lion also operates brand new ac's? The issue is the maintence and as malindo is just an extension of lion i dont hold much hope, i do hope thou the malaysian dgca takes sterner control than here thou
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I have a few friends who signed on Malindo. It is a P2F program but where else can they get the TR? Without the TR and hours, they will never get a job, so it is either pay up or move on. It is the same in any country. My friend told me it is the same as walking into a flying club and paying to fly the single engine,....except flying club hours are useless in applying for jet jobs. Well, Rm290 or USD100 an hour is "cheap" to fly an ATR or a jet. Just consider it as a hobby which pays after you completed 500 hours!
It is an acceptable way of training, we pay a few hundred thousands to get a Doctor or Lawyer licence here as well. If you study at University, you pay Rm100k to RM150k for an engineering degree, then, at your final year, you work as an intern almost for free 3 to 6 months.... so tell me what is the difference? If you have the passion for flying, you will work it out.
As for the 15 year bond... I have no idea when the bond starts... At the date of joining as a cadet or at the date of signing up as an employee after the initial advance training of 500 hours. No idea of what is the pay like after 500 hours too.
As Malindo has 2 TR, the ATR and the 737, is it the same training fee for both ty pes?
It is an acceptable way of training, we pay a few hundred thousands to get a Doctor or Lawyer licence here as well. If you study at University, you pay Rm100k to RM150k for an engineering degree, then, at your final year, you work as an intern almost for free 3 to 6 months.... so tell me what is the difference? If you have the passion for flying, you will work it out.
As for the 15 year bond... I have no idea when the bond starts... At the date of joining as a cadet or at the date of signing up as an employee after the initial advance training of 500 hours. No idea of what is the pay like after 500 hours too.
As Malindo has 2 TR, the ATR and the 737, is it the same training fee for both ty pes?
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Except for a selected few who were sent out for training, majority of the 179 ab initio pilots who signed up in March 2013 are still waiting around for their turn.
Anyone heard of staff leaving Malindo shortly after joining? Any rumours or news of what is going on? Malindo deny there is an exodus but confirmed that 7 ppl out of the strong work force of 700 left the company. 7 out of 700 can hardly be labeled as "Exodus", right?
Anyone heard of staff leaving Malindo shortly after joining? Any rumours or news of what is going on? Malindo deny there is an exodus but confirmed that 7 ppl out of the strong work force of 700 left the company. 7 out of 700 can hardly be labeled as "Exodus", right?