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Air India flight operated by cabin crew whilst pilots sleep in J class.

Old 4th May 2013, 04:27
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Originally Posted by capetonian
"We will revert to you on receiving their reply."
Standard Indian subcontinent English
And this as well?

"engangering the lives of everyone on board".
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Old 4th May 2013, 05:24
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Air India released a statement stating, that the aircraft was under control by flight crew at all times, at no time the flight attendants were at the controls of the aircraft.
AI are bound to say that. If they said anything else Joe Public would automatically think it was normal for them to control the a/c. Regarding the FO I guess his mind was on other things. Was it his knee that knocked out the AP?

Hell now the Daily Mail have got the story!!

Airline suspends pilots after they 'left Airbus carrying 166 passengers on autopilot and air hostesses in charge while they slept in business class' | Mail Online

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Old 4th May 2013, 05:28
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Difficult to believe such a preposterous story!!!
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Old 4th May 2013, 10:57
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Wait... there may be a Bollywood blockbuster docudrama to come from this. Contributing crayonists... the Mumbai Mirrorl

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Old 4th May 2013, 10:57
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It would be difficult to believe a flight crew being too busy fixing a lamp that they flew into the ground...but guess what...
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Old 4th May 2013, 13:40
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''I have accidentally disconnected the autopilot in a 330 with my knee, why did that not make the news?''

It's very easy to accidently disconnect the AP on the FBW Airbus types. The disconnect/takeover button on the sidestick is neccessarily very accessible and consequently in a vulnerable position. It happened to me recently when the clipboard slid off the other pilot's table in turbulence.

As far as I'm concerned, it's a very minor incident and when it happens, you just re-engage the AP - assuming you know how to! And that is why you don't allow unqualifed people to occupy the pilot's seats in flight. In our operation, we have to have a cabin crew on the flight deck if one pilot has to use the toilet and they sit on one of the jump seats.
Agree

I've seen the same (embarrasing as it was)

In this thread subject it became an incident apparently because it could not be immediately corrected.

I'll let the authorities sort out who sat where and when since I don't trust the press
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Old 4th May 2013, 15:19
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I have accidentally disconnected the autopilot in a 330 with my knee
I've done it too on an A320, with your foot on the retracting foot rest your knee is perfectly positioned to hit the red button if it moves sideways.
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Old 4th May 2013, 16:00
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Cue stories of bonking in the seat in ABii (watch the knee tremblers) - a real challenge in a 737- and off we go to JB..........................
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Old 4th May 2013, 22:50
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I work in as an IT contractor across Europe, make a nice living repatriating IT projects outsourced to the Indian Subcontinent. This story does not surprise me at all. Reminds me of a similar disaster that happened to IT operations in one of my clients. Luckily this was not an aviation disaster with loss of life.
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Old 5th May 2013, 06:27
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I cant believe some think that disconnecting an autopilot (assuming the crew was in the cockpit) would ever rise to the level of incident, let alone anything newsworthy. For crying out loud are you not pilots?

This is the reason I believe there has to something to this story. If it was just the autopilot clicking off, who would have ever heard about it?
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Old 5th May 2013, 08:27
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(assuming the crew was in the cockpit)

The whole story is about the report that the crew were NOT in the flight deck...read read
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Old 6th May 2013, 09:20
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I have worked with individuals from that part of the world.

They are quite prone to getting up and walking around the cabin, sometimes attempting to without consulting the PIC. They seem to think it is a macho thing to be seen to be strutting their stuff and to seen by the pax.. They are pretty well reliant on the automatics. God help anyone who is on board one of their airlines, and the the 2 robots are reduced to manual flying on standby instruments. However they don't have the common sense or the experience to realise, if something goes wrong at the wrong time both crew members would need to be in the cockpit, not outside chewing the fat.

Having said that I have awoken on the flight deck and found the other 2 crew members sound asleep, on a long flight over very remote part of the world.

Flame me if you wish, at least we were all in the cockpit.
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Old 6th May 2013, 14:12
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Sounds like, from a friend of mine who flew a short time for an Indian airline before quitting, that many young Indian pilots bribed their way into their licence and later the job. Why waste time with onerous training?

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Old 6th May 2013, 20:58
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RDR.... it ain't up to ICAO. Its up to each country's Aviation Administration to determine whether or not AI is safe or not safe to operate within their airspace.
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Old 6th May 2013, 21:38
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"The whole story is about the report that the crew were NOT in the flight deck...read read"

That is the definition of irony in one sentence
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Old 7th May 2013, 05:21
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the PIC was in the flight deck at all times. the first officer was on a toilet break. thats all i am saying!
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Old 7th May 2013, 08:01
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Only positive aspect I can see about this debacle is the fact that the co pilot felt he could report the captain for unprofessional conduct.
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Old 7th May 2013, 23:02
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Perhaps a certain Mr O'Leary was testing his latest idea out!
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Old 8th May 2013, 13:44
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I question why anyone would even step foot on an Air India aircraft... The list just goes on and on... after I watched that one twit make that Air India rap video and put it on you tube I just wanted to cry, because that is the next generation of pilots in this world, and it scares the s+++ out of me.
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Old 8th May 2013, 14:26
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the PIC was in the flight deck at all times. the first officer was on a
toilet break. thats all i am saying
This would point to the journo as not quite getting the facts right. Gee, there's a first!
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