Who Pays for KLIA2?
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Who Pays for KLIA2?
Question for the Malaysian pilots out there.
I see the new Low Cost Terminal at KLIA (KLIA2?) is well advanced in construction. I've often wondered while passing on my way to KLIA - who paid for this building?
I know the answer of course - the Malaysian Government. They gave the money to the KLIA bosses to build it.
But who's money are the Malaysian Government actually handing over?
The Malaysian Tax Payers of course!
Now, as I understand it, this new Terminal was proposed in order to house the ever expanding Air Asia fleet. I hear it is a very nice, modern Terminal, with top class fixtures and fittings. Not a shed, like the current LCC.
Ok so far.
Then I get to thinking.
Why is the Malaysian Government funding a fancy new Terminal to house a LCC which has almost ruined their own National Airline? I'm all in favour of competition etc, but lets face it, this isn't europe, where Competition Laws actually force governments to expose their Flag Carriers to (what I view as) unfair price competition from start up carriers which offer their staff low salaries, no pensions, no security of tenure, and all sorts of other abuses (including forbidding Unions, á la Ryanair).
Lets face it. As MAS continues to lose money, thanks to unfair competition, the Malaysian Taxpayers will have to pay to bail it out.
These are the same taxpayers who are funding the building of a fancy new Terminal which will surely help to accelerate the downfall of MAS?
Will someone please explain the thinking? Because to me - its insane.
If Air Asia wants a new Terminal, why not let them PAY FOR IT THEMSELVES?
I see the new Low Cost Terminal at KLIA (KLIA2?) is well advanced in construction. I've often wondered while passing on my way to KLIA - who paid for this building?
I know the answer of course - the Malaysian Government. They gave the money to the KLIA bosses to build it.
But who's money are the Malaysian Government actually handing over?
The Malaysian Tax Payers of course!
Now, as I understand it, this new Terminal was proposed in order to house the ever expanding Air Asia fleet. I hear it is a very nice, modern Terminal, with top class fixtures and fittings. Not a shed, like the current LCC.
Ok so far.
Then I get to thinking.
Why is the Malaysian Government funding a fancy new Terminal to house a LCC which has almost ruined their own National Airline? I'm all in favour of competition etc, but lets face it, this isn't europe, where Competition Laws actually force governments to expose their Flag Carriers to (what I view as) unfair price competition from start up carriers which offer their staff low salaries, no pensions, no security of tenure, and all sorts of other abuses (including forbidding Unions, á la Ryanair).
Lets face it. As MAS continues to lose money, thanks to unfair competition, the Malaysian Taxpayers will have to pay to bail it out.
These are the same taxpayers who are funding the building of a fancy new Terminal which will surely help to accelerate the downfall of MAS?
Will someone please explain the thinking? Because to me - its insane.
If Air Asia wants a new Terminal, why not let them PAY FOR IT THEMSELVES?
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KLIA2 is not built to cater for Air Asia alone, but to captured the whole LCC business which is very volatile in the region. FYI Tony Fernandes wants to build their own airport within proximity of KLIA but didn't get the blessing from Federal Government and of course u know why..
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As Syukri alluded to TF wanted to build his own terminal so as to have as little inteferance from MAB aka the goverment aka umnoputras as possible but this was very swiftly and concretely shot down by the prime minister in waiting at that time ( Najib ) . He promised of course a dedicated terminal but like almost everything the goverment does in malaysia after everyone takes their cut the bill for the project more than double. Infact if memory serves me TF originally wanted to build the LCCT terminal in subang, that would of course have meant the definitive capitulation of MAS.
So to answer your question YES ITS INSANE the new LCCT will cater not only to Airasia but other airlines as well, i see a gradual but distinct demise of MAB main terminal, its been called a white elephant and i think it will continue to remain so.
So to answer your question YES ITS INSANE the new LCCT will cater not only to Airasia but other airlines as well, i see a gradual but distinct demise of MAB main terminal, its been called a white elephant and i think it will continue to remain so.
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To be exact TF wants to build his own terminal so he can play the game with his won rule and minimize their tax to MAB and indirectly to the nations which ultimately become a big No-No for it. Plus, the proposed location is so ridiculous, the approach path conflict with current KLIA. And for Subang of course everyone wants to fly there but it is just too close to the city for frequent jet movement.
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So TF wanted to build his own Terminal - sounds like MOL in Dublin.
He wasn't allowed do it either. Why on earth should a State hand over such control of its capital cities airport to one man?
That just leaves the question - why did they bother at all to build a new Terminal? Why not just do with the existing LCCT. After all - flying from an overcrowded stinky shed is all part of the fun of the LCC experience, eh?
BTW, is it true that TF dictated there would be no jetways at KLIA 2?
And you claim its meant to service 'all LCC's'?
Who are the other LCCs in Malaysia???
As for Subang - its a criminal shame to see such a great facility going to waste. KLIA (and KLIA 2) are TOO FAR from the city! Getting out there for a mere holiday flight is a pain. But I cannot imagine what it must be like to have to do that commute to work every day. YEEEEUCHHH.
He wasn't allowed do it either. Why on earth should a State hand over such control of its capital cities airport to one man?
That just leaves the question - why did they bother at all to build a new Terminal? Why not just do with the existing LCCT. After all - flying from an overcrowded stinky shed is all part of the fun of the LCC experience, eh?
BTW, is it true that TF dictated there would be no jetways at KLIA 2?
And you claim its meant to service 'all LCC's'?
Who are the other LCCs in Malaysia???
As for Subang - its a criminal shame to see such a great facility going to waste. KLIA (and KLIA 2) are TOO FAR from the city! Getting out there for a mere holiday flight is a pain. But I cannot imagine what it must be like to have to do that commute to work every day. YEEEEUCHHH.
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A very big plus for KLIA2 is the direct rail access to Kuala Lumpur via an extended ERL.
The ERL has always provided a reliable and economic means of getting to the City centre. Certainly get more for your buck than the Heathrow Express.
The ERL has always provided a reliable and economic means of getting to the City centre. Certainly get more for your buck than the Heathrow Express.
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The current lcct is too stacked up to begin with.. Its like being in a warehouse full of people.. I stand by u about the relevance of KLIA 2, if u noticed there is a spot right beside the current satellite terminal. An empty spot, meant for another satellite terminal to be build in future according to KLIA original masterpla.. Hence, y dont just build a satellite terminal just for lcct at that spot? Would be great to see KLIA is fully utilized. And Meccano, people build an airport not just for one airline. Of course KLIA2 is meant for other LCC's in asia, not just for AirAsia. To date, MAB got 10 LCC's ready to use KLIA2, namely Malindo, Tiger, Silk and our very own AirAsia.
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Have u been to SZB recently? During peak hours we got massive traffic jam along the highway to the airport. U dont want to have your national airport in a place where people missing their flight all the time due to traffic, rite?
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Listen kid,
If Fatman got his way of building his own Legoland in LABU, in the end before airport completion he will handed it back to the government, and in the end we us tax payers will pay for his freakin Lego Airport. Not only lost revenue to MAB being a GLC, but also lost opportunity for MAB to recoup investment in building KLIA in the first place.
Melayu mudah lupa. Like tok madey mamak always said. Have we forget how he took RAS then handed it back to MAS? Ever wonder, did he pay the repair bills for the twotters and f*kkers? He's a tw*t!!
If the government is strong and not swarmed with rent-seekers like Umnoputras i bet Fatman wont get his way all the time. Now he's screwing everyone, Gov, MAS, MAB with his cohoots from Cina India Melayu Bank.
He owns the money, paid to the right people and all newspaper listen to his spin doctors.
Thought he stuffed thick collection of bank notes to a useless MCA transport minister.
If Fatman got his way of building his own Legoland in LABU, in the end before airport completion he will handed it back to the government, and in the end we us tax payers will pay for his freakin Lego Airport. Not only lost revenue to MAB being a GLC, but also lost opportunity for MAB to recoup investment in building KLIA in the first place.
Melayu mudah lupa. Like tok madey mamak always said. Have we forget how he took RAS then handed it back to MAS? Ever wonder, did he pay the repair bills for the twotters and f*kkers? He's a tw*t!!
If the government is strong and not swarmed with rent-seekers like Umnoputras i bet Fatman wont get his way all the time. Now he's screwing everyone, Gov, MAS, MAB with his cohoots from Cina India Melayu Bank.
He owns the money, paid to the right people and all newspaper listen to his spin doctors.
Thought he stuffed thick collection of bank notes to a useless MCA transport minister.
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Here's a clue....
Instead of a new airport - build a NEW ROAD to SZB. Or a Direct Rail Link. It's much cheaper. And at least the tax paying commuters would get a benefit for the cash they're spending.
KLIA is like Kim Kardashian. Looks beautiful. But useless.
And I don't agree that airports are built for airlines.
Surely they are supposed to be built for PEOPLE.
Let airlines PAY for it if they want Kim Kardashian style T&A.
The whole thing is driven by a willy waving contest by Regional Nations who want a fancy airport to outdo the guys next door.
By the way, as regards delays causing us to miss flights - have you seen the Check-In QUEUES in KLIA these days? I stood for 40 mins in a line that snaked the length of the Terminal recently. Total disgrace. Understaffing or a go-slow? It's pathetic. Who takes responsibility?
Instead of a new airport - build a NEW ROAD to SZB. Or a Direct Rail Link. It's much cheaper. And at least the tax paying commuters would get a benefit for the cash they're spending.
KLIA is like Kim Kardashian. Looks beautiful. But useless.
And I don't agree that airports are built for airlines.
Surely they are supposed to be built for PEOPLE.
Let airlines PAY for it if they want Kim Kardashian style T&A.
The whole thing is driven by a willy waving contest by Regional Nations who want a fancy airport to outdo the guys next door.
By the way, as regards delays causing us to miss flights - have you seen the Check-In QUEUES in KLIA these days? I stood for 40 mins in a line that snaked the length of the Terminal recently. Total disgrace. Understaffing or a go-slow? It's pathetic. Who takes responsibility?
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Sultan Ismail A very big plus for KLIA2 is the direct rail access to Kuala Lumpur via an extended ERL.
The ERL has always provided a reliable and economic means of getting to the City centre. Certainly get more for your buck than the Heathrow Express.
The ERL has always provided a reliable and economic means of getting to the City centre. Certainly get more for your buck than the Heathrow Express.
Next time look at HKG before building an Airport Rail Link.
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Totally agree with Meccano.
Why was there no LRT link to what was once KL's International airport (ie Subang/SZB) ?
More specifically why is there no plan to include it in the current new MRT diagram?
As I understand it there was a rail alignment built or planned (I am not sure which) from Subang Jaya to SZB but it was never completed.
Transport planning is not about Airports, Terminals, Motorcycles, Taxis or Buses. It is about joined up thinking.
Do not even start me on how many different rail gauges there are in MY.
Why was there no LRT link to what was once KL's International airport (ie Subang/SZB) ?
More specifically why is there no plan to include it in the current new MRT diagram?
As I understand it there was a rail alignment built or planned (I am not sure which) from Subang Jaya to SZB but it was never completed.
Transport planning is not about Airports, Terminals, Motorcycles, Taxis or Buses. It is about joined up thinking.
Do not even start me on how many different rail gauges there are in MY.
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It has already been built, a KTM komuter extension to szb (use google maps satellite view can see very clearly). But the project was scrapped halfway when govt decide to build a new international airport, KLIA.
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KTM Komuter and the LRT and the ERL for good measure
Syukri
The KTM Komuter line you refer to is the original Subang Fuel Farm line branching off from the Port Klang Line at Subang Jaya. The existing station at the Farm is called Sri Subang.
It predates the KTM Komuter system with its electrified double tracking by 20 years.
Choked Airport Highway, have to agree with you, got snarled on that a couple of times.
Capt Stravaigin
I'm sure you will agree the proposed MRT alignment is far from Subang and the catchment areas it is aiming to serve. The MRT would lose value by diverting through Subang.
I do however agree that the current extension to the Kelana Jaya Line, by-passing the LRT Depot and continuing to Subang Jaya and then all stations to Putra Heights has missed the greatest opportunity ever to raise Subang to a world class international gateway.
You can be quite sure that vested interests ensured the LRT did not call at Subang and thus offer a direct link to the City Centre, whether that is KL Sentral or the Twin Towers.
Capt Stravaigin, you have probably seen the elevated viaducts for the LRT extension and defiant way they turn their back on Subang, it's very sad.
ERL
The ERL may not be glitzy, but it has served KLIA for 12 years without any real breakdown and using just the original 11 trainsets available from day 1. All 11 are still there. I use it twenty times a year and have seen a recent improvement in the decor, so presume that is part of their preventive maintenance programme. Bottom line, it is reliable.
The KTM Komuter line you refer to is the original Subang Fuel Farm line branching off from the Port Klang Line at Subang Jaya. The existing station at the Farm is called Sri Subang.
It predates the KTM Komuter system with its electrified double tracking by 20 years.
Choked Airport Highway, have to agree with you, got snarled on that a couple of times.
Capt Stravaigin
I'm sure you will agree the proposed MRT alignment is far from Subang and the catchment areas it is aiming to serve. The MRT would lose value by diverting through Subang.
I do however agree that the current extension to the Kelana Jaya Line, by-passing the LRT Depot and continuing to Subang Jaya and then all stations to Putra Heights has missed the greatest opportunity ever to raise Subang to a world class international gateway.
You can be quite sure that vested interests ensured the LRT did not call at Subang and thus offer a direct link to the City Centre, whether that is KL Sentral or the Twin Towers.
Capt Stravaigin, you have probably seen the elevated viaducts for the LRT extension and defiant way they turn their back on Subang, it's very sad.
ERL
The ERL may not be glitzy, but it has served KLIA for 12 years without any real breakdown and using just the original 11 trainsets available from day 1. All 11 are still there. I use it twenty times a year and have seen a recent improvement in the decor, so presume that is part of their preventive maintenance programme. Bottom line, it is reliable.
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Its also interesting that klia2 has jetbridges, shops, movie theatres, lounges etc... the vids market it as a high end terminal, and it is apparently way over initial budget.
Yet they are still projecting passenger charges are going to be half klia1.
A real risk that 'premium' airlines shift to klia2 for the cost savings
Yet they are still projecting passenger charges are going to be half klia1.
A real risk that 'premium' airlines shift to klia2 for the cost savings
