Kingfisher Airlines declares temporary lockout

[captjns]

It is a miracle that we even survived as a nation;after being left to die 65 years ago.

Being left to die is a far greater cry from independence... wouldn't you agree?

Correct me if I'm wrong... but didn't the Russia nee USSR provide quite a bit of aid to India too?

[Capt Apache]

It is a miracle thanks to the efforts of Sri Vallabhai Patel who thwarted all efforts of the British to deliver to us a fragmented,divided and balkanised India by uniting about half a thousand states.

Didn't the Russia nee USSR provide quite a bit of aid to India too?

O Well ! Uh, Didn't the British steal quite a bit of wealth from our Maharajas too?
(Including the Sword of Tipu Sultan incidentally bought back by Mallya in an auction,Also worth mentioning is the Kohinoor diamond that the queen just won't give back to us.Read here Koh-i-Noor - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

When Elizabeth II made a state visit to India marking the 50th anniversary of Independence in 1997, many Indians in India and Britain including several MPs demanded the return of the diamond.

)

[DesiPilot]

Really Apache

You are worried about Kohinoor when there are thousands of other things you could be worried about.

Here is a list of things wrong with India,

2012

Maharashtra Irrigation Scam – Loss of about 72,000 crore (US$13.61 billion). At present the matter is under the scanner of investigating / intelligence agencies of India.
Kinetic Finance Limited Scam - Banks lost about 200 crore (US$37.8 million). At present the matter is under the scanner of investigating / intelligence agencies of India.
Ultra Mega Power Projects Scam - Central government lost 29,033 crore (US$5.49 billion) due to undue favours to Anil Ambani-led Reliance Power.
IGI airport Scam - Central government lost 166,972.35 crore (US$31.56 billion) by undue favours to GMR-led DIAL. DIAL (Delhi International Airport Limited) is a consortium of the GMR Group (50.1%), Fraport AG (10%), Malaysia Airports (10%), India Development Fund (3.9%), and the Airports Authority of India (26%).
Andhra Pradesh land scam - 100,000 crore (US$18.9 billion)
Forex derivates scam - 32,000 crore (US$6.05 billion)
Granite scam in Tamil Nadu -
Service Tax and Central Excise Duty fraud - 19,159 crore (US$3.62 billion) crore)
Gujarat PSU financial irregularities - 17,000 crore (US$3.21 billion)
Maharashtra stamp duty scam - 640 crore (US$120.96 million)
Maharashtra land scam
MHADA repair scam - 100 crore (US$18.9 million)
Highway scam - 70 crore (US$13.23 million)
Ministry of External Affairs gift scam
Himachal Pradesh pulse scam
Flying Club fraud - 190 crore (US$35.91 million)
Andhra Pradesh liquor scam
Jammu and Kashmir Cricket Association scam - Approximately 50 crore (US$9.45 million)
Jammu and Kashmir PHE scam
Jammu and Kashmir recruitment scam
Jammu and Kashmir examgate
Jammu and Kashmir dental scam
Punjab paddy scam - 18 crore (US$3.4 million)
NHPC cement scam
Haryana forest scam
Girivan (Pune) land scam [71] (not to be confused with Pune land scam which came to light during 2011)
Toilet scam
Uttar Pradesh stamp duty scam - 1,200 crore (US$226.8 million)
Uttar Pradesh horticulture scam - 70 crore (US$13.23 million)
Uttar Pradesh palm tree plantation scam - 55 crore (US$10.4 million)
Uttar Pradesh seed scam - 50 crore (US$9.45 million)
Uttar Pradesh elephant statue scam.
Patiala land scam - 250 crore (US$47.25 million)
Tax refund scam - 3 crore (US$567,000)
Bengaluru Mayor's fund scam
Ranchi real estate scam
Delhi surgical gloves procurement scam
Aadhar scam
BEML housing society scam
MSTC gold export scam - 464 crore (US$87.7 million)
TIN scam
Nayagaon (Punjab) land scam

2011
ISRO's S-band scam (also known as ISRO-Devas deal, the deal was later called off) - 200,000 crore (US$37.8 billion)
NTRO scam - 800 crore (US$151.2 million)
KG Basin Oil scam
Goa mining scam
Bellary mining scam
Bruhat Bengaluru Mahanagara Palike scam - 3,207 crore (US$606.12 million)
Himachal Pradesh HIMUDA housing scam
Pune housing scam
Pune land scam
Orissa pulse scam - 700 crore (US$132.3 million)
Kerala investment scam - 1,000 crore (US$189 million)
Mumbai Sales Tax fraud - 1,000 crore (US$189 million)
Maharashtra education scam - 1,000 crore (US$189 million)
Maharashtra PDS scam
Uttar Pradesh TET scam
Uttar Pradesh MGNREGA scam
Orissa MGNREGA scam
Indian Air Force land scam
Tatra scam - 750 crore (US$141.75 million)
Bihar Solar lamp scam - 40 crore (US$7.56 million)
BL Kashyap - EPFO scam - 169 crore (US$31.94 million)
Assam Education scam
Stamp Paper scam (not to be confused with Abdul Karim Telgi's Stamp Paper scam) - 2.34 crore (US$442,260)
Pune ULC scam

2010
Adarsh Housing Society scam
Assam North Cachar Hills scam - 1,000 crore (US$189 million)
Arunachal Pradesh PDS scam - 1,000 crore (US$189 million)
LIC housing loan scam
Commonwealth Games scam
Belekeri port scam
Andhra Pradesh Emmar scam - 2,500 crore (US$472.5 million)
Madhya Pradesh MGNREGA scam - 9 crore (US$1.7 million)
Jharkhand MGNREGA scam
Indian Premier League scandal
Karnataka land scam
Karnataka housing board scam
Uttrakhand Citurgia land scam
MCI bribery scandal
Chandigarh booth scam

2009
Madhu Koda mining scam
Goa Special Economic Zone (SEZ) scam
Rice export scam - 2,500 crore (US$472.5 million)
Orissa mining scam - 7,000 crore (US$1.32 billion)
Orissa paddy scam
Sukhna land scam - Darjeeling
Vasundhara Raje land scam
Austral Coke scam - 1,000 crore (US$189 million)
Gujarat's VDSGCU Sugarcane scam - 18.7 crore (US$3.53 million)

2008
Cash for Vote Scandal
Hasan Ali black money controversy
The Satyam scam
State Bank of Saurashtra scam - 95 crore (US$17.96 million)
Army ration pilferage scam - 5,000 crore (US$945 million)
Jharkhand medical equipment scam - 130 crore (US$24.57 million)
Haryana Teachers' recruitment scam
Paazee Forex scam - 800 crore (US$151.2 million)

2006
Kerala ice cream parlour sex scandal
Scorpene Deal scam
Punjab city centre project scam - 1,500 crore (US$283.5 million)
Uttar Pradesh ayurveda scam - 26 crore (US$4.91 million)
Navy War Room Spy Scandal (related to Scorpene Deal Scam)- 4,000 crore (US$756 million)
IPO scam
Oil for food scam
Bihar flood relief scam - 17 crore (US$3.21 million)

2004
Gegong Apang PDS scam

2003
Taj corridor scandal
HUDCO scam

2002
Stamp paper scam - 20,000 crore (US$3.78 billion)
Provident Fund (PF) scam
Kargil coffin scam

2001
Ketan Parekh securities scam
Barak Missile scandal
Calcutta Stock Exchange scam

2000
India-South Africa match fixing scandal
UTI scam - 32 crore (US$6.05 million)

I have a list that goes back to 1948, so please tell me how much is Kohinoor worth to you? Do you still think that the Britisher were the ones that really screwed up India?

[DesiPilot]

Oh and for Kingfisher, I worked with them till 2009, I saw the signs back then that they are not going to survive. I am surprised they lasted as long as they lasted.

[niksmathew24]

You missed a critical one...3G, losses pegged at around 30,000Cr(5.86 Billion US$)

And personally I'd call Kingfisher also a big scam.

[Capt Apache]

You are worried about Kohinoor when there are thousands of other things you could be worried about.

You mean like the thousands of other things that the British stole during that time.Um,Can you make a list of that too.

Here is a list of things wrong with India

We have gotta to do better than that buddy.The sub-prime crisis was a scam too you know.It cost the world about 8 trillion dollars.We've got competition you know.
I suggest you make a list of those who lost their livelihood and shelter and in that crisis and try to put a number on their suffering.Now that will be some list I say.

Isn't it also cool that you can talk n tweet about the corruption.Do you know how many countries in our neighbourhood even allow that kind of freedom (Someone rightly pointed out on another thread how the passengers would not have made noise if the flight had been destined for the Gulf instead of Kerala.)

Do you still think that the Britisher were the ones that really screwed up India?

There is no denying that they did.There were others before and after them.Why? You want to make another list.
This decadence (and violence),that we are witnessing is not an Indian phenomenon but a global one.This is not an Indian problem, this is a human problem.So lets stop pretending how developed and civilized the rest of the world is.

[bo-peep]

look at the bright side, for the last 2 weeks KF's safety record has been impeccable

[Victor Inox]

There are a number of countries that either became independent in the late 1940s or early 1950s. Others, like Australia, only became independent in the 1980s.

However, in Asia we also have countries that war war-ravaged (like Japan or Korea) and managed to re-build their economies at a startling pace in the same period of time that India reveled in the Ghandi mentality and did not move forward economically or socially.

The true question is whether a country is able/prepared to learn lessons from the past and correct errors very rapidly.

[Capt Apache]

A valid criticism but India has a much more complex society than the countries you mentioned, and so the comparision is not equitable.Why did't you compare us with Pakistan ?

India reveled in the Ghandi mentality and did not move forward economically or socially.

No.India has not moved forward at the same pace as other nations because of the evil caste system.The other reason is the 1000 year old animosity of Hindus and Muslims.

Corruption is the result of the advantage that this division gives to those who have no conscience.
Do you know who started the practice of Divide and Rule in India? Make a wild guess.

[silverhawk]

Finally at last some closure to the diversion issues on this thread. Can we get back to the topic?

How can this crook be allowed to continue running this business when he does not meet his obligations to his staff? In any other civilised country this is fraud, deception and illegal.

By the way Apache, I applaud your patriotism. If more of my countrymen felt the same way my own country would not be so screwed up just now

[airjet]

thead hi-jacked

any country where u can bribe a policeman with 500 rupees or equivalent is corrupt.

now can we move on so that interested parties, in the "kingfisher saga" can be brought up to date.

how is it possible that an airline without a license to fly can exist???

[Capt Apache]

It is obvious from your post that your intention was not about bringing anyone up to date.You have given zero info about Kingfisher.So let me do that for you.

Kingfisher Airline licence to expire on December 31 if suspension stays - The Times of India

As for the corruption, there is more money laundered at the American-Mexican border than what the poor Indian cop could ever dream of making.

[airjet]

lol

heh heh heh apache u are a riot lol "american--mexican" border, most of the people i met in India have long since moved on past the British Raj, if after 65 years you are still stuck --well lol. On this website in 2006 when i was about to leave for Deccan some folks advised against it, saying the country was "dirty, smelly, and hot" it was all 3.
As regards these 3 things i`m afraid its impossible to blame the British, 65 years later people are still urinating in the street. maybe the govt should spend some money on public toilets.----in 2009 the govt decided to completly re-do the western 2/3rds of the 2nd floor of the Chennai airport, the relevant offices etc were not even occupied, yet the place stank of urine, and many of the newly painted corners were dripping with "beetle nut" spit streaks. (did the british teach u to chew beetle nut?)

[Capt Apache]

lol "american--mexican" border

It is surprising that this is a laughing matter to you.But what is more surprising is when people from the developed world can smell urine but can't smell blood.

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It is so typical.Underplay your own horrendous mess while pointing fingers and trying to teach others.

[captjns]

On another note.... VJ reneged on the pay, as stated in the Times Of India. I bet the employees are happy they agreed with VJ not to picket the F1 race. In the words of Forrest Gump "Stupid is, is stupid does".

[Capt Apache]

Diageo deal could pull Kingfisher back from the brink - Reuters

If VJ does indeed surprise,will people start praising the emloyees for their foresightedness?

It is important however to focus on what influenced their (employees) decision, instead of getting judgemental on them.Analogous to safety investigations, that aim at finding out what went wrong (and how to fix it), instead of pointing fingers and crucifying somebody.

In the words of Forrest Gump,"Life is a box of chocolates,you never know what you are going to get"

[captjns]

In the words of Forrest Gump,"Life is a box of chocolates,you never know what you are going to get"

Oh… I think what’s in that box of chocolates was rather predictable… bottle caps and foil from Mr.Kingfishers empties. Oh and a bunch of empty promises to go with the box.

[Capt Apache]

I think what’s in that box of chocolates was rather predictable

Really, I thought it became predictable after you read Times of India.

He paid the March money on 25th and the April money on the 1st.I don't know why he did not choose to renege on those payments as well.

[airjet]

apache u CANNOT be serious the pilots have not been paid in over 4 MONTHS and u are finding excuses, the airline chalked up 1.6 billion dollars in debt with over 90 planes they now have 10 or 11, find a way out???? this i gotta see.

[ZFT]

With every KFA supplier owed money, I just can't see a way back without a massive pile of cash available. Everyone will want cash up front and their debt cleared as there is zero trust with KFA.