Lion Air to set up budget carrier in Malaysia
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With regard to the recent article in the newspaper, which focused on the initiative of Malindo to help the jobless pilots in Malaysia. Expectedly, I think Malindo would be receiving more than 1000 applications for the ab-initio pilots postion.For a newly setup airline, I think this will be a major headache for the HR department of Malindo to sort out all the resumes and application from these jobless pilots for the initial recruitment.Even an established company like MAs took a few months for them to sort out all the applicants when they had opened their MAS direct intake for ab-initio back in 2011.Many of the would be applicants for Malindo will come from this pool of pilots who had went for the selection process by MAS, which includes psychometric test, personality test, B737 simulator check and even interviews.Sadly MAS was facing a financial problem and have excess pilot and therefore no ab-initio was employed.As far as I know, there are around 2 or 3 groups of pilots of whom had passed their sim checks and interviews with MAs and another few groups at the personality test stage.Most of them in these first few groups are also of those who had graduated for quite a while from flying school and fail to get a job until now.Therefore, I would like to suggest that Malindo to seriously consider taking ab-initio pilots from this pool of pilots for the first few initial batches.This would save Malindo a great deal of money especially for the simulator checks as they had already done it during the MAS selection program.It would also save a lot of time for Malindo rather than to do the whole process again and rather can focus on starting the training of the ab-initio pilot program.Plus saving a lot of man power to do the selection process and focus on more important things during the start up of the company.Rumours heard that the captains that would fly for Malindo come from the seconded captains of MAS to Lion Air.So why not collaborate with MAS for the ab-initio pilots as MAS have a lot of experience in pilot selection program.MAS proven stringent selection program i believe would at least be on par with what Malindo is looking for too.
Another suggestion is for Malindo to take pilots who was sponsored by MARA.There are around 100 pilots who was sponsored by MARA and still jobless.Quoting from the newspaper, I believe Malindo would ask this ab-initio cadets to self-fund their type ratings, plus MARA is more than glad to provide funds for their cadet's type rating cost if they could secure a job offer, so why not collaborate with MARA too.
With more than 1000 expected applicants, I think its would be easier for Malindo to consider these two pool of ab-initio pilots first for the first few batches of ab-initio intakes and then only continue with the rest of the 'crowd'.I believe that these 2 pool of pilots would stand out from the 'crowd' as they have proven themselves to either MAS or MARA which is both respectable recruiters respectively.
It would also be an added bonus if the pilot is a MARA sponsored cadet and had passe the stringent MAS selection program.This would narrow down to a few ab-initio jobless pilot which i think would be sufficient enough for Malindo first batch of ab-initio pilots.
I hope Malindo would consider this suggestion seriously and spare the dispair for these two groups of pilot who had proven themselves but are unlucky due to unforseen circumstances and at the same time would benefit Malindo financial, time and manpower.This does not mean that the other pilots out there wont be given a chance but rather, this idea is only for the first few batches until Malindo is up and running in full swing, and then continue the the selection with the rest of the 'pack'.
Another suggestion is for Malindo to take pilots who was sponsored by MARA.There are around 100 pilots who was sponsored by MARA and still jobless.Quoting from the newspaper, I believe Malindo would ask this ab-initio cadets to self-fund their type ratings, plus MARA is more than glad to provide funds for their cadet's type rating cost if they could secure a job offer, so why not collaborate with MARA too.
With more than 1000 expected applicants, I think its would be easier for Malindo to consider these two pool of ab-initio pilots first for the first few batches of ab-initio intakes and then only continue with the rest of the 'crowd'.I believe that these 2 pool of pilots would stand out from the 'crowd' as they have proven themselves to either MAS or MARA which is both respectable recruiters respectively.
It would also be an added bonus if the pilot is a MARA sponsored cadet and had passe the stringent MAS selection program.This would narrow down to a few ab-initio jobless pilot which i think would be sufficient enough for Malindo first batch of ab-initio pilots.
I hope Malindo would consider this suggestion seriously and spare the dispair for these two groups of pilot who had proven themselves but are unlucky due to unforseen circumstances and at the same time would benefit Malindo financial, time and manpower.This does not mean that the other pilots out there wont be given a chance but rather, this idea is only for the first few batches until Malindo is up and running in full swing, and then continue the the selection with the rest of the 'pack'.
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MAS Has Not Shelved Plans To Turn Firefly into....
Malaysia Airlines (MAS) has not scrapped plans to turn community airline, Firefly, into a low-cost carrier, Group Chief Executive Officer Ahmad Jauhari Yahya said.
He said MAS was keeping its options open for Firefly, its wholly-owned subsidiary, to operate as a budget carrier but stressed that it was not in the immediate term.
"For now, we have a plan and the plan is to keep the turbo-prop aircraft in Firefly and MAS will do all the jets operations," he told reporters at MAS' 40th anniversary celebrations.
A turboprop engine aircraft is more fuel-efficient for a short distance travel while jet engine aeroplanes, commonly used by commercial airlines, are more cost-effective for long-haul flights.
Firefly currently flies to 25 destinations including 12 international flights.
Ahmad Jauhari also said the national carrier will add another flight for the newly received Airbus A380 for the Kuala Lumpur-London-Kuala Lumpur route.
He said MAS is also planning to replace the Boeing 737-400 fleet over the next two years in tandem with plans to reduce the average age of its aircraft, which currently stood at 7.7 years.
Meanwhile, to mark its 40th anniversary celebrations, Ahmad Jauhari said MAS will be giving 80 free seats to selected customers to destinations across the airline's network.
-- BERNAMA 01/10/12
He said MAS was keeping its options open for Firefly, its wholly-owned subsidiary, to operate as a budget carrier but stressed that it was not in the immediate term.
"For now, we have a plan and the plan is to keep the turbo-prop aircraft in Firefly and MAS will do all the jets operations," he told reporters at MAS' 40th anniversary celebrations.
A turboprop engine aircraft is more fuel-efficient for a short distance travel while jet engine aeroplanes, commonly used by commercial airlines, are more cost-effective for long-haul flights.
Firefly currently flies to 25 destinations including 12 international flights.
Ahmad Jauhari also said the national carrier will add another flight for the newly received Airbus A380 for the Kuala Lumpur-London-Kuala Lumpur route.
He said MAS is also planning to replace the Boeing 737-400 fleet over the next two years in tandem with plans to reduce the average age of its aircraft, which currently stood at 7.7 years.
Meanwhile, to mark its 40th anniversary celebrations, Ahmad Jauhari said MAS will be giving 80 free seats to selected customers to destinations across the airline's network.
-- BERNAMA 01/10/12
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JetJockey thanks for the article. You beat me to the post once again. I read this earlier but had to leave on a trip and by the time I got around to putting it up, it was already there.
MAS had a LCC with jets running full speed, growing (8 jets flying with plans for another 22 within three years according to then CEO Eddy Leong) and carrying very good loads last year. But thanks to the now Indonesia-based TF, they scuttled the plan, painted the jets in MAS colors, and moved all the pilots over to the mainline carrier, though now flying many of the same routes, but charging MAS fares. Very sad that the Fatman had so much influence and was able to scuttle a rising competitor. It looks like he won't have the same power this time, no matter how many times he calls for "cooperation" with Malindo.
I am sure there will be more than enough FO's amongst the out of work CPL holders in Malaysia. Filling the right seats will not be a problem, but once again, they are going to have to find between 60-80 captains, and unless they pay really well, it will be much more difficult to find enough experienced local bodies to fill the left seats. My guess is once again expats will be brought in until they can find enough locals to fill the positions, although there is already a lot of competition for 737NG Captains from the Gulf, China, and even Lion Air.
Most any Malaysian ATPL holder who is available is already working for Air Asia. Would MAS second captains to a competitor? Probably not. Would the guys leave MAS for Malindo? Not when Air Asia is still looking for Captains, will take DECs with 737 time, and probably pay a lot more than Malindo will. If you were a MAS 737 captain, and you were going to leave anyway, wouldn't you rather be with a stable, growth-oriented, well-paying company, or take a big risk by leaving MAS to join a start-up? The only reason I can see is to be able to stay on the Boeing versus having to learn the new Bus systems.
MAS had a LCC with jets running full speed, growing (8 jets flying with plans for another 22 within three years according to then CEO Eddy Leong) and carrying very good loads last year. But thanks to the now Indonesia-based TF, they scuttled the plan, painted the jets in MAS colors, and moved all the pilots over to the mainline carrier, though now flying many of the same routes, but charging MAS fares. Very sad that the Fatman had so much influence and was able to scuttle a rising competitor. It looks like he won't have the same power this time, no matter how many times he calls for "cooperation" with Malindo.
I am sure there will be more than enough FO's amongst the out of work CPL holders in Malaysia. Filling the right seats will not be a problem, but once again, they are going to have to find between 60-80 captains, and unless they pay really well, it will be much more difficult to find enough experienced local bodies to fill the left seats. My guess is once again expats will be brought in until they can find enough locals to fill the positions, although there is already a lot of competition for 737NG Captains from the Gulf, China, and even Lion Air.
Most any Malaysian ATPL holder who is available is already working for Air Asia. Would MAS second captains to a competitor? Probably not. Would the guys leave MAS for Malindo? Not when Air Asia is still looking for Captains, will take DECs with 737 time, and probably pay a lot more than Malindo will. If you were a MAS 737 captain, and you were going to leave anyway, wouldn't you rather be with a stable, growth-oriented, well-paying company, or take a big risk by leaving MAS to join a start-up? The only reason I can see is to be able to stay on the Boeing versus having to learn the new Bus systems.
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Haha.. Hogger60 always happy to keep people updated.. It was sad to see the government and MAS believe what TF sold them
, and totally bought the whole BULLs**T about the collaboration between the MAS and Airasia. (strangly this is what flying monkeyz is suggesting
) and look what happen.. to MAS and firefly..and the famous flyasianxpress (FAX). I think government has finally wised up
BTW MAS does make a profit, BUT there are to many Winnie Pooh sticky fingers in the honey jar, so i guess MAS will never ever see profits, lucky malaysia is rich enough to feed this black hole airline..
With Malindo. Pilots I see are exciting about this airline, they should be because of the new competition, besides that 
REMEMBER GRASS is never greener on the other side. I think if you are happy or doing OK in your present company stay.. otherwise you might gonna regret your move. the T&C will be slightly better than AirASIa but slightly below MAS. I think pay will be OK nothing to shout about, remember airlines are not run with pilot ego in mind, but it ran by accountants. so everything will be basic..and there will be always enough capt and FO to fill the planes.
, and totally bought the whole BULLs**T about the collaboration between the MAS and Airasia. (strangly this is what flying monkeyz is suggesting) and look what happen.. to MAS and firefly..and the famous flyasianxpress (FAX). I think government has finally wised up BTW MAS does make a profit, BUT there are to many Winnie Pooh sticky fingers in the honey jar, so i guess MAS will never ever see profits, lucky malaysia is rich enough to feed this black hole airline.. With Malindo. Pilots I see are exciting about this airline, they should be because of the new competition
, besides that REMEMBER GRASS is never greener on the other side. I think if you are happy or doing OK in your present company stay.. otherwise you might gonna regret your move. the T&C will be slightly better than AirASIa but slightly below MAS. I think pay will be OK nothing to shout about, remember airlines are not run with pilot ego in mind, but it ran by accountants. so everything will be basic..and there will be always enough capt and FO to fill the planes.
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Unofficially, Malindo has not started the recruitment drive yet but groundwork has been going on now. Get your contact established and by the time you hear about it, it is already too late ........ Remember, in a 'dog eats dog' environment, the well connected will survive. Just a thought .........
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I hear Malindo will take on Bond if you leave AA. Still hearing work permit problems now at the Red Team showing up again. but not at Malindo.
. but not at Malindo.
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I think what kwaiyai is trying to say is that the expat CAPTAINS in AIRasia are having problems renewing there work permits. Meaning... that process time of work permit is taking a lonnnnnnnnnnnnng time, or paper work is missing somehow etc.. TF give the officals more free rides on your toys... or its maybe too late, the goodwill plane has already left... hahaha
or its maybe too late, the goodwill plane has already left... hahaha
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HOgger60 you gonna like this... TF is going Indian. his next adventure is India.
"AirAsia has had other disappointments. The long-haul unit of the business had to axe its flights to London and Paris earlier this year because they were losing too much money. High fuel prices were mainly to blame but the EU’s new carbon tax was the “nail in the coffin”, says Mr Fernandes. Other opportunities beckon, however, such as India. Its vast population, enormous size and new middle class dwarf even Indonesia’s. On September 14th, as part of a big package of economic reforms, the Indian government said it would let foreign airlines invest in Indian carriers for the first time, albeit limiting their stakes to 49%. AirAsia is “very interested” in India, says Mr Fernandes, but will wait until its fiercely competing local airlines have killed each other off"...THE ECONOMIST Sep 29th 2012.
The next owner of KINGFISHER Airlines.. haha...Pretty flight attendants there..
"AirAsia has had other disappointments. The long-haul unit of the business had to axe its flights to London and Paris earlier this year because they were losing too much money. High fuel prices were mainly to blame but the EU’s new carbon tax was the “nail in the coffin”, says Mr Fernandes. Other opportunities beckon, however, such as India. Its vast population, enormous size and new middle class dwarf even Indonesia’s. On September 14th, as part of a big package of economic reforms, the Indian government said it would let foreign airlines invest in Indian carriers for the first time, albeit limiting their stakes to 49%. AirAsia is “very interested” in India, says Mr Fernandes, but will wait until its fiercely competing local airlines have killed each other off"...THE ECONOMIST Sep 29th 2012.
The next owner of KINGFISHER Airlines.. haha...Pretty flight attendants there..
