JET DOWNSIZING??
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Am I sure?
Very possibly the dumbest question ever asked. Why would I post it, if I had not had the email?
Sorry to say, yes I am sure.
Captjns, B737 and B738, never got my hands on the 900s, yet! Will be just short of a year when I leave, Aug 16th. Age 47
Very possibly the dumbest question ever asked. Why would I post it, if I had not had the email?
Sorry to say, yes I am sure.
Captjns, B737 and B738, never got my hands on the 900s, yet! Will be just short of a year when I leave, Aug 16th. Age 47
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Negative c150b. Lets not start a panic or a fun on the bank just yet. To date, Jet Airways terminated those expats currently on TMU.
Also, Jet Airways assessed the manning requirements of pilots. The expat pilots made redundant are those Jet Airways deem to result in over-staffing requirements.
Thus far, Jet Airways management are silent as to their plans for the immediate time period.
Also, Jet Airways assessed the manning requirements of pilots. The expat pilots made redundant are those Jet Airways deem to result in over-staffing requirements.
Thus far, Jet Airways management are silent as to their plans for the immediate time period.
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From which fleets?
If they let them go from the 737 that will keep SWIP happy... and leave the expats on the A330 and ATR
If they let them go from the 737 that will keep SWIP happy... and leave the expats on the A330 and ATR
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Those released from 9W are comprised of all TMUs regardless of fleet, and a mix of ATR and B737 pilots, and new hires in training.
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Sounds like a re-run of what Jet did last time.
Now we wait for SWIP to spit their dummy out and they will be screaming from the rooftops to get the expats back.
Now we wait for SWIP to spit their dummy out and they will be screaming from the rooftops to get the expats back.
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I don't think SWIP was part of the decision making process as far as the expat pilots are concerned.
There may be some 737s being returned to the leasing companies thus reducing the need for foreign skippers.
Yes Jet will upgrade F/Os, which in turn who will be used to replace additional expat skippers.
Nature of the beast of being an expat. While never good news when crews be they nationals or expats let go... but the hand writing was on the wall as many notices concerning cost cutting measures, including as minimal foreign currency expenses being incurred. At the end of the day... it still sucks no matter what.
There may be some 737s being returned to the leasing companies thus reducing the need for foreign skippers.
Yes Jet will upgrade F/Os, which in turn who will be used to replace additional expat skippers.
Nature of the beast of being an expat. While never good news when crews be they nationals or expats let go... but the hand writing was on the wall as many notices concerning cost cutting measures, including as minimal foreign currency expenses being incurred. At the end of the day... it still sucks no matter what.
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PT, you seem to have a rather exaggerated contempt for SWIP. Have they harmed or insulted you in a direct manner?
The current layoffs are due to the freefall of the rupee. All dollar expenses have gone up by about 20%. As our fearless leader has proclaimed, the primary goals are freezing/reduction of dollar expenses. The logical fallout of this is the axing of expats. Doubt SWIP played any direct role in this. If they did I guess their master plan to bring the airline down on it's knees is well into it's initial stages.
The current layoffs are due to the freefall of the rupee. All dollar expenses have gone up by about 20%. As our fearless leader has proclaimed, the primary goals are freezing/reduction of dollar expenses. The logical fallout of this is the axing of expats. Doubt SWIP played any direct role in this. If they did I guess their master plan to bring the airline down on it's knees is well into it's initial stages.
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But answer me this...
Shortly after Jet got rid of the expats last time.... SWIP then had a strike, thats when the DFO was on TV showing his hatred towards SWIP etc.
Shortly afterwards the expats were contacted (who had just been let go) to come back and operate flights to reduce the effect of a strike.
I wonder about if it would not be better for Jet to set up another airline and move the longhaul flying off the Indian AOC. This would protect them on a few fronts.
They would also get instantly more traffic rights. The A330 already heavily operates out of Europe.. and as such could be transfered to "Jet Airways Europe" they could still fly to and from India, but would not be limited in the routes they do within Europe.
Much like Air Asia.. They have a colletion of AOC's for exactly this purpose.
Shortly after Jet got rid of the expats last time.... SWIP then had a strike, thats when the DFO was on TV showing his hatred towards SWIP etc.
Shortly afterwards the expats were contacted (who had just been let go) to come back and operate flights to reduce the effect of a strike.
I wonder about if it would not be better for Jet to set up another airline and move the longhaul flying off the Indian AOC. This would protect them on a few fronts.
They would also get instantly more traffic rights. The A330 already heavily operates out of Europe.. and as such could be transfered to "Jet Airways Europe" they could still fly to and from India, but would not be limited in the routes they do within Europe.
Much like Air Asia.. They have a colletion of AOC's for exactly this purpose.
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These are different times and SWIP is not a party to the financial crisis that Jet is experiencing today.
As far as setting up another carrier and getting a new AOC
??? In India!?!?!? In a short period of time?!?!? in India?!?!?
The DGCA in India is unlike any other DGCA in any other country. Given the fact that the Indian Government wants nothing more than to see all the private carriers disappear, they would certainly drag their feet in certifying another private carrier.
If Jet were to set up a secondary carrier it would take... lets see hmmm... about two minutes. You do know how long two Indian minutes are in real life... don't you?
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As far as setting up another carrier and getting a new AOC
??? In India!?!?!? In a short period of time?!?!? in India?!?!?The DGCA in India is unlike any other DGCA in any other country. Given the fact that the Indian Government wants nothing more than to see all the private carriers disappear, they would certainly drag their feet in certifying another private carrier.
If Jet were to set up a secondary carrier it would take... lets see hmmm... about two minutes. You do know how long two Indian minutes are in real life... don't you?
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JNS,
You did not read what I had said...
I said, I think it would be interesting for 9W to obtain an AOC in Europe and set up a separate airline in effect for the A330. These A330 would be free of the Indian BS and rupee but could still operate to and from India.
This is exactly the kind of thing Air Asia has done.
Rumors have been around in the past at Jet looking to buy an EU AOC so I guess it has crossed their minds too.
You did not read what I had said...
I said, I think it would be interesting for 9W to obtain an AOC in Europe and set up a separate airline in effect for the A330. These A330 would be free of the Indian BS and rupee but could still operate to and from India.
This is exactly the kind of thing Air Asia has done.
Rumors have been around in the past at Jet looking to buy an EU AOC so I guess it has crossed their minds too.
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and so back 2 square one
The person who said that ex-pats are an endangered species ,in the far east, is a wise man, expectations of more than 4 years are a pipe dream, its not personal, but what is hard to take is the "we want u at any cost" attitude that prevails at 1st. That causes a feeling of indispensibility, but the facts are you are in someone elses country, and no matter how friendly the inhabitants seem to be you are taking a well paying job away from a local.
So obiviously the 1st to go will be ex-pats no matter what the reason.
Personally i worked for Deccan and then Kingfisher for 4 years, then happily it was time to retire, the "send off" that the Chennai staff of KFA gave me was amazing so my feelings as an ex-pat about India are all good.
So obiviously the 1st to go will be ex-pats no matter what the reason.
Personally i worked for Deccan and then Kingfisher for 4 years, then happily it was time to retire, the "send off" that the Chennai staff of KFA gave me was amazing so my feelings as an ex-pat about India are all good.
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Jet to lead overseas charge as Kingfisher, AI falter: CAPA
HT Correspondent, Hindustan Times
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First Published: 20:39 IST(25/5/2012)
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Naresh Goyal-owned Jet Airways will lead Indian airline companies in long-haul international expansion this year, aviation consultancy firm Centre for Asia Pacific Aviation (CAPA) has said in its India International Outlook report for 2012-13.
With Kingfisher Airlines’ international
operations suspended and Air India’s (AI) long-haul services likely to be subject to ongoing industrial action, Jet is expected to seize the opportunity and aggressively expand international operations, CAPA said.
Jet Airways, India’s largest domestic carrier by passengers carried, could become a member of the Star Alliance, making it the first Indian carrier to join a global alliance. “Its plans to service Frankfurt and Munich are linked to this strategic development. SkyTeam is understood to have shown some interest in IndiGo,” the report said.
The CAPA report projected international passenger traffic to grow by 8-10% to reach 44 million. The year could also see the Airbus A380, the largest commercial airplane, make its debut in India.
“The current crisis in Indian aviation could create an environment in which previously difficult decisions could move ahead. If foreign airline investment of up to 49% was permitted and bilaterals increased, Gulf carriers such as Emirates, Etihad and Qatar Airways could establish a critical advantage in the Indian market, creating a quasi-domestic market to feed their hubs,” the report said.
HT Correspondent, Hindustan Times
New Delhi, May 25, 2012 Email to Author
First Published: 20:39 IST(25/5/2012)
Last Updated: 20:41 IST(25/5/2012)Share Share on facebookShare on linkedinShare on googleShare on emailmore...Comments Email print
Naresh Goyal-owned Jet Airways will lead Indian airline companies in long-haul international expansion this year, aviation consultancy firm Centre for Asia Pacific Aviation (CAPA) has said in its India International Outlook report for 2012-13.
With Kingfisher Airlines’ international
operations suspended and Air India’s (AI) long-haul services likely to be subject to ongoing industrial action, Jet is expected to seize the opportunity and aggressively expand international operations, CAPA said.
Jet Airways, India’s largest domestic carrier by passengers carried, could become a member of the Star Alliance, making it the first Indian carrier to join a global alliance. “Its plans to service Frankfurt and Munich are linked to this strategic development. SkyTeam is understood to have shown some interest in IndiGo,” the report said.
The CAPA report projected international passenger traffic to grow by 8-10% to reach 44 million. The year could also see the Airbus A380, the largest commercial airplane, make its debut in India.
“The current crisis in Indian aviation could create an environment in which previously difficult decisions could move ahead. If foreign airline investment of up to 49% was permitted and bilaterals increased, Gulf carriers such as Emirates, Etihad and Qatar Airways could establish a critical advantage in the Indian market, creating a quasi-domestic market to feed their hubs,” the report said.
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Are you kidding only four years in the far east left for expats? That is not a wise statement. The orders some of these companies have are so large expats will be around for quite some time. Just because there is contraction in the market, or breif pilot equilibrium due to kfa's trouble doesn't mean expats are not required in the future. No GA equals at least 3 to 4 years to upgrade. Aircraft orders far outpace the man power available for commanders. Cpl holders don't qualify as commanders and won't for years and a percentage never will some aren't even fit to hire. A job is not entitled just because a liscence is obtained.
This reminds me of 2008 and the knee jerk letting go of a great number of expats at jet and then the scramble to hire more as quickly as possible to fill the large whole in the schedule due to aircraft deliveries. That desision cost jet millions extra. Typical airline short sighted thinking always costs them more in the end.
This reminds me of 2008 and the knee jerk letting go of a great number of expats at jet and then the scramble to hire more as quickly as possible to fill the large whole in the schedule due to aircraft deliveries. That desision cost jet millions extra. Typical airline short sighted thinking always costs them more in the end.
