Pilot shortage in Asia
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The time for a young Chinese recruit from 0 hours to 737 NG Captain is right at 4 years at my airline here in China.
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"The time for a young Chinese recruit from 0 hours to 737 NG Captain is right at 4 years at my airline here in China"
If this is true, wear a helmet because there will be a lot of aluminium falling out of the sky soon...
If this is true, wear a helmet because there will be a lot of aluminium falling out of the sky soon...
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@Bindair Dundat
Pls look at Jet Airways & Indigo In India & Chinese airlines ADs for the 737 & 320 Captains. They are all paying high salaries plus signing bonuses & contract completion bonuses.... The compensation for that catagory is about 25%to 40% more when you compare anywhere in US or Europe because of the terms....
The website called latestpilotjobs dot com, lists all these jobs for free...
These jobs are of course not for everone, not for people who are comfortably employed with a decent seniority & definitely not for those who can't bear to live in that part of the world.
But those who are in the 55+ yrs age bracket & have very few years left for flying & have been forced to leave their lifelong carrer due to their airline go belly up or due to BK & have seen their retirement funds & pensions vaporise...
Those are the guys who can suck it up for a few years & put a decent chunk of money into their retirement savings by flying for a few years in India & China & Middle east....
Like I said, It is the shortage of Well Qualified Experienced Captains.....
Pls look at Jet Airways & Indigo In India & Chinese airlines ADs for the 737 & 320 Captains. They are all paying high salaries plus signing bonuses & contract completion bonuses.... The compensation for that catagory is about 25%to 40% more when you compare anywhere in US or Europe because of the terms....
The website called latestpilotjobs dot com, lists all these jobs for free...
These jobs are of course not for everone, not for people who are comfortably employed with a decent seniority & definitely not for those who can't bear to live in that part of the world.
But those who are in the 55+ yrs age bracket & have very few years left for flying & have been forced to leave their lifelong carrer due to their airline go belly up or due to BK & have seen their retirement funds & pensions vaporise...
Those are the guys who can suck it up for a few years & put a decent chunk of money into their retirement savings by flying for a few years in India & China & Middle east....
Like I said, It is the shortage of Well Qualified Experienced Captains.....
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pilotbaba...all is not what it seems with these contracts. Everything looks good on paper HOWEVER, a lot changes on the ground once you are there. Are you flying at any of these places? Have you lived in India or China? Even as single expat that is tough going. T&C's change at a moments notice....bonuses are suspect...completion...hmmmm probably will not have to honor that as will likely layoff before needing to pay that one up. Sorry but you are giving a rosy picture to an industry that is completely slaughtering this professsion. It is a race to the bottom at the moment at most airlines. Costs go up and the first cost centre that management attack are the highest salaries (excluding themselves of course).
If there was a decent (medium term) contract out there that offered very good compensation and a reliable commuting contract from a home base in Europe or N.A. there would be absolutely no shortage at this level. I can think of dozens of guys from the Middle East that would jump ship yesterday. However, this contract does not exist at the moment.
If there was a decent (medium term) contract out there that offered very good compensation and a reliable commuting contract from a home base in Europe or N.A. there would be absolutely no shortage at this level. I can think of dozens of guys from the Middle East that would jump ship yesterday. However, this contract does not exist at the moment.
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No pilot shortage.
Their are too many experienced Capts unemployed.
Airlines advertising are very specific on their requirements
600-1000 PIC on type, current flying (not just Sim).
None of these airlines are willing to train you at all (except one maybe).
If there was a shortage they would take these experienced Capts get them current on type, or endorse / train them on a different aircraft type.
Thats not happening.
Every time there is talk of a pilot shortage something global happens, Iraq wars, Oil shortage, Iran, 911, SARS, Bird flu, Recession, Stock market crash, large airlines going into chapter 11 and lays off / furloughs pilots, countries go bust.
At least thats what has happened in my 25 year career and as a result my pay over my career has been relatively low (compared to what I histoircally expected when starting out).
Low cost carriers, what a joke, that just means pay all your staff less for doing the same job. (ceos excepted of coarse).
Im still waitng for the pilot shortage that will give me a reasonable pay for reasonable hours worked and job security.
Then I may be treated as a professional pilot and not someone management begrudgingly have to pay a small salary to. (compared to their salary)
If your waiting for that elusive pilot shortage, you may well be dissappointed, I know I am.
Their are too many experienced Capts unemployed.
Airlines advertising are very specific on their requirements
600-1000 PIC on type, current flying (not just Sim).
None of these airlines are willing to train you at all (except one maybe).
If there was a shortage they would take these experienced Capts get them current on type, or endorse / train them on a different aircraft type.
Thats not happening.
Every time there is talk of a pilot shortage something global happens, Iraq wars, Oil shortage, Iran, 911, SARS, Bird flu, Recession, Stock market crash, large airlines going into chapter 11 and lays off / furloughs pilots, countries go bust.
At least thats what has happened in my 25 year career and as a result my pay over my career has been relatively low (compared to what I histoircally expected when starting out).
Low cost carriers, what a joke, that just means pay all your staff less for doing the same job. (ceos excepted of coarse).
Im still waitng for the pilot shortage that will give me a reasonable pay for reasonable hours worked and job security.
Then I may be treated as a professional pilot and not someone management begrudgingly have to pay a small salary to. (compared to their salary)
If your waiting for that elusive pilot shortage, you may well be dissappointed, I know I am.
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The highest paying jobs in the world for ex Pats are now the narrow body fleets in China and not the widebodies. Many of them pay over $17K per month. The training going on is absolutely staggering. The Chinese don't really want the Ex Pats but they need the experienced Captains. Very few Chinese airlines hire Foreign FOs. The time for a young Chinese recruit from 0 hours to 737 NG Captain is right at 4 years at my airline here in China. If the economy burps in China the Ex Pats will be the first to go. There will be a need for at least another 5 years for ex Pat Captains in China but many outside factors could influence this.
