May someone tell me some words about Lion Air working environment ?
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May someone tell me some words about Lion Air working environment ?
Hi Guys, is my intention to apply for a vacancy at Lion Air, does someone knows how is the working status in that company ? I will really appreciate any comment. Thanks.
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Hello ZH737, I have seen some guys who went through CAE and Eagle Jet also a guy, didn't try that one? msd is for indian.
Some latest information about working here for your info
- Base is Jakarta
- Housing allowance or housing provided (depends on Agency)
- Hours roughly between 95-110 *in the books* out of the books some busy months can go up to 150 hours for local guys (yes 737 , in 1 month), and under pressure up to 120-125 hours for us expats, of course no numbers in the books, lion pay extra fees to us if we just play along. Officially you were never in that plane at the time. Dgca paperwork don’t care. They got some lion guys working for both lion and dgca, so it’s one happy melting pot in the dgca office. Sleeping in the cockpit after 8 flying days / 3-4-5 sectors a day (December) no problem . captains falling asleep on final… just shout ‘’Landing!!’’ and he will wake up for the touchdown, classic! Good fun up in here though. Many guys coming here every month and the groups are getting bigger and bigger.
Also lately some rumours came up about further jobs after lion. Some European company’s asked about the logbook why there are more then 100 hour logs a month. While flying on European license in Indonesia. Some local authorities didn’t like it I guess. Because on the European license it’s mostly max 90 hours up to max 900-950 a year in most EU countries. Stating at interviews about ‘local’ Indonesian law (max 1050 hours a year and 110 hours a month) raised questions with company’s hiring. Just don’t log too much is the advice I would say. This is just rumours about the guys that sent in papers and got rejected for ‘bush flying 737’ or a hard time explaining 110 hours a month, or they just screwed up the checkride, all possible.
- Cheap life in Jakarta, cheap food , cheap housing, reasonable salary. Around 3200 USD tax free would cover the explaining of all the allowances together.
- Agency’s currently here : CAE – Eagle Jet – Rishworth – MSD (Indian guy here running the gag) . I think in this order the first in the ‘best’ deal up to the last agency.
- Just go along with the flow, suck in the cigarette smoke in the cockpit and ‘happy landing mas’, ‘makasi captain’ ‘yes captain’ and your good to go… oh. And don’t forget to pay the TR on the way in. Network is expanding in the country and abroad and the flight attendants are safely locked up in one of the ‘lion air dorms’ or ‘Bandara Mas’ , so safely huddled together in 3-4 persons a room with no permanent ID to live in Jakarta and a security guard at the entrance who will check the check in and check out of the pramugari when they want to get a snack outside. But everything can be bought, also the cops and the loading guys. Giving you the loadsheet with a smile while wearing a golden watch with his 2 Blackberry’s and making officially ‘200 USD a month’. But… very nice guys, who all work along in the flying circus!
Some other places here on pprune (because reading your question, you did not check out the ‘search’ button) where there is some experiences about Lion Air here :
- http://www.pprune.org/south-asia-far...ml#post6287996
And
- http://www.pprune.org/interviews-job...aining-11.html
page 11 and 12 from PKlucky888 about his experience in here, also one of the favourite stories here to discuss with a Bintang on a Saturday night.
/edit;
http://www.pprune.org/south-asia-far...t-cae-p2f.html
This was the original story from PKLUCKY888 (laughed out loud!) with some additional info from other guys below.
/end of edit.
And we are also still flying the 900ER to PKU on a rainy day in cases. Even though ‘officially’ the DGCA banned the 900ER’s from going there with a wet Rwy due to some incidents a few months back. Something with a ‘short slippery rwy’ and a ‘overloaded long 737-900ER’ combined with ‘indonesian law’ make flying possible here.
‘’Lion Air, We Make People Fly !’’
Mas, Dua Bintang , makasi !
Some latest information about working here for your info
- Base is Jakarta
- Housing allowance or housing provided (depends on Agency)
- Hours roughly between 95-110 *in the books* out of the books some busy months can go up to 150 hours for local guys (yes 737 , in 1 month), and under pressure up to 120-125 hours for us expats, of course no numbers in the books, lion pay extra fees to us if we just play along. Officially you were never in that plane at the time. Dgca paperwork don’t care. They got some lion guys working for both lion and dgca, so it’s one happy melting pot in the dgca office. Sleeping in the cockpit after 8 flying days / 3-4-5 sectors a day (December) no problem . captains falling asleep on final… just shout ‘’Landing!!’’ and he will wake up for the touchdown, classic! Good fun up in here though. Many guys coming here every month and the groups are getting bigger and bigger.
Also lately some rumours came up about further jobs after lion. Some European company’s asked about the logbook why there are more then 100 hour logs a month. While flying on European license in Indonesia. Some local authorities didn’t like it I guess. Because on the European license it’s mostly max 90 hours up to max 900-950 a year in most EU countries. Stating at interviews about ‘local’ Indonesian law (max 1050 hours a year and 110 hours a month) raised questions with company’s hiring. Just don’t log too much is the advice I would say. This is just rumours about the guys that sent in papers and got rejected for ‘bush flying 737’ or a hard time explaining 110 hours a month, or they just screwed up the checkride, all possible.
- Cheap life in Jakarta, cheap food , cheap housing, reasonable salary. Around 3200 USD tax free would cover the explaining of all the allowances together.
- Agency’s currently here : CAE – Eagle Jet – Rishworth – MSD (Indian guy here running the gag) . I think in this order the first in the ‘best’ deal up to the last agency.
- Just go along with the flow, suck in the cigarette smoke in the cockpit and ‘happy landing mas’, ‘makasi captain’ ‘yes captain’ and your good to go… oh. And don’t forget to pay the TR on the way in. Network is expanding in the country and abroad and the flight attendants are safely locked up in one of the ‘lion air dorms’ or ‘Bandara Mas’ , so safely huddled together in 3-4 persons a room with no permanent ID to live in Jakarta and a security guard at the entrance who will check the check in and check out of the pramugari when they want to get a snack outside. But everything can be bought, also the cops and the loading guys. Giving you the loadsheet with a smile while wearing a golden watch with his 2 Blackberry’s and making officially ‘200 USD a month’. But… very nice guys, who all work along in the flying circus!
Some other places here on pprune (because reading your question, you did not check out the ‘search’ button) where there is some experiences about Lion Air here :
- http://www.pprune.org/south-asia-far...ml#post6287996
And
- http://www.pprune.org/interviews-job...aining-11.html
page 11 and 12 from PKlucky888 about his experience in here, also one of the favourite stories here to discuss with a Bintang on a Saturday night.
/edit;
http://www.pprune.org/south-asia-far...t-cae-p2f.html
This was the original story from PKLUCKY888 (laughed out loud!) with some additional info from other guys below.
/end of edit.
And we are also still flying the 900ER to PKU on a rainy day in cases. Even though ‘officially’ the DGCA banned the 900ER’s from going there with a wet Rwy due to some incidents a few months back. Something with a ‘short slippery rwy’ and a ‘overloaded long 737-900ER’ combined with ‘indonesian law’ make flying possible here.
‘’Lion Air, We Make People Fly !’’
Mas, Dua Bintang , makasi !
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Straight To-The-Point!!!
Love the Honesty man. You could NEVER be a politician... WOW! Good Luck you 'kids'... And be careful how you 'rack' your hours. Sometimes and PLACES are NOT worth it! I'd rather "greet at Walmart" than fly in In-Dia!!!
After my few 'tours' in China I though I had seen it all... NOPE!!!
Straight To-The-Point!!!
Love the Honesty man. You could NEVER be a politician... WOW! Good Luck you 'kids'... And be careful how you 'rack' your hours. Sometimes and PLACES are NOT worth it! I'd rather "greet at Walmart" than fly in In-Dia!!!
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@ Vdaff
Its not bad to build hour and experience on 737NG, but spending 25 lacs for the Job is bad.
Dont worry nobody is gonna come up to you and give you the jet job, there are hundreads if not thousands to take up the offer of lion air to get Jet time and Move on.
Its not bad to build hour and experience on 737NG, but spending 25 lacs for the Job is bad.
Dont worry nobody is gonna come up to you and give you the jet job, there are hundreads if not thousands to take up the offer of lion air to get Jet time and Move on.
