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Looking for information about China Southern, China Eastern and Tianjin Airlines. Are they currently hiring? Do the hire Expats? Does anybody know a contact number, fax number or email? Greatly appreciate your help and thank you in advance.
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@ knma'91,There are just too many airlines (besides China Southern, China Eastern and Tianjin Airlines) in China.Many airlines do not hire recruitment agency to hire.To answer knma'91's query. The airlines in China are hiring for both First Officer and Captains. The process in small airlines are slow, but you have to bare with it. Also, language may be a barrier.Sometimes, how I wish I can post recruitment detail and help others. However, do a search and join the unofficial PPRuNe facebook. You may get free recruitment detail about pilot emplyment in China. Very often, email do not help, you need to call the office and enquire. If you can speak Mandarin, it will make your life whole lot easier.
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Hello knma'91,
To answer your question:
What captain.weird and Droste said is exact, except for Droste; I would like to make a slight correction:
China does NOT hire any foreign first officers, unless you speak Mandarin fluently. This is true for both corporate and airline.
Now that leaves us with Captain position. China is looking actively for captains, but through agents only, such as Rishworth, Parc Aviation and so on as captain.weird said. Therefore, if you would like to work in China, look for these agents and contact them directly. Send them your resume, get in touch with them and they will do the rest: get in touch with different airlines and arrange for you to do the interview and so on.
So giving direct contacts of airlines won't necessary help much as HR departments 90% of the time exclusively speak Chinese and only deal with Agents anyways.
Now for airlines hiring foreign captains that I know of: China Southern, Spring Airline, Juneyao, SF Airlines, Deer Air (now Capital Airline), Tianjin Airline definitely, of course Shenzhen Airline, Sichuan Airline and I am certain there quite a few more!
China Eastern does NOT hire foreign captains or FOs anymore.
If I were you, after contacting agents, I would try to get into small, privately owned airlines. They run the most efficiently and offer the best contracts if I am correct. Try Spring and Juneyao first (both A320 series), I heard their contracts are really interesting. SF airlines: B757 rated and experienced captains only. Tianjin airline: EMB 145 and 190.
With you a lot of luck, I work in China and am loving it. Of course there are always difficulties but if you are very open minded and have taste for adventure, the advantages are far greater than negative aspects.
MYH
To answer your question:
What captain.weird and Droste said is exact, except for Droste; I would like to make a slight correction:
China does NOT hire any foreign first officers, unless you speak Mandarin fluently. This is true for both corporate and airline.
Now that leaves us with Captain position. China is looking actively for captains, but through agents only, such as Rishworth, Parc Aviation and so on as captain.weird said. Therefore, if you would like to work in China, look for these agents and contact them directly. Send them your resume, get in touch with them and they will do the rest: get in touch with different airlines and arrange for you to do the interview and so on.
So giving direct contacts of airlines won't necessary help much as HR departments 90% of the time exclusively speak Chinese and only deal with Agents anyways.
Now for airlines hiring foreign captains that I know of: China Southern, Spring Airline, Juneyao, SF Airlines, Deer Air (now Capital Airline), Tianjin Airline definitely, of course Shenzhen Airline, Sichuan Airline and I am certain there quite a few more!
China Eastern does NOT hire foreign captains or FOs anymore.
If I were you, after contacting agents, I would try to get into small, privately owned airlines. They run the most efficiently and offer the best contracts if I am correct. Try Spring and Juneyao first (both A320 series), I heard their contracts are really interesting. SF airlines: B757 rated and experienced captains only. Tianjin airline: EMB 145 and 190.
With you a lot of luck, I work in China and am loving it. Of course there are always difficulties but if you are very open minded and have taste for adventure, the advantages are far greater than negative aspects.
MYH
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Originally Posted by 15th Jun 2011 12:59 MaintainYourHeading
China does NOT hire any foreign first officers, unless you speak Mandarin fluently. This is true for both corporate and airline.
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I have been here in China for 1 year. Despite reading all the stuff on this forum, and talking with people with first hand experience, I came here anyway. I have to say - I should have listened to people who have been down this path before.
Just getting the job here is so fraught with peril that it is not worth the effort, or the risk to your current job. Once you have the job, it will work out great, until - it doesn't. That might be 1 week, or 5 years.
Please search and read other info on this forum on working in China. There is a great deal.It is all true, including the good stuff! Unfortunately, the difference between good stuff and bad stuff is mostly just timing and dumb luck.
I wouldn't do it again. Ever. Or recommend it to anyone.
Recent examples? I just did a recurrent sim with a local FO that is supposedly ICAO 4. Nice kid actually. He had never used an english FCOM, and couldn't find anything by looking it up. So I handed him the checklist, on my tablet computer, that I looked up. I have it on an IPAD because the airline I work for doesn't provide english language FCOM's in the cockpit. And, get this, their FOM doesn't require it!!!!
He had never used an english FCOM, and couldn't use it. I did the checklists off of my memory, which is not as good as it once........what was I just saying?
Flash forward 3 days. I am flying in central China. Now, all the Chinese planes flying into my destination are diverting because the ATC is out to lunch, and they don't know how to use or interpret a wx radar. My local FO (great guy) is flying and is concerned. I cannot convey to the controller what we want to do. So I take control of the AC, and let the FO talk to the controller in Mandarin. We do a very uneventful approach and landing in light rain and 3 knots of wind, while 10 other aircraft divert.
It just isn't worth the effort to come here. The high paycheck isn't worth it. The paycheck is high because NOBODY is silly enough to come here. Except a retard like me.
I will probably stay and collect my high paycheck until......who knows. Could be one day, or one year till the end of my contract. To be honest, I am rooting for 1 day.
Just getting the job here is so fraught with peril that it is not worth the effort, or the risk to your current job. Once you have the job, it will work out great, until - it doesn't. That might be 1 week, or 5 years.
Please search and read other info on this forum on working in China. There is a great deal.It is all true, including the good stuff! Unfortunately, the difference between good stuff and bad stuff is mostly just timing and dumb luck.
I wouldn't do it again. Ever. Or recommend it to anyone.
Recent examples? I just did a recurrent sim with a local FO that is supposedly ICAO 4. Nice kid actually. He had never used an english FCOM, and couldn't find anything by looking it up. So I handed him the checklist, on my tablet computer, that I looked up. I have it on an IPAD because the airline I work for doesn't provide english language FCOM's in the cockpit. And, get this, their FOM doesn't require it!!!!
He had never used an english FCOM, and couldn't use it. I did the checklists off of my memory, which is not as good as it once........what was I just saying?
Flash forward 3 days. I am flying in central China. Now, all the Chinese planes flying into my destination are diverting because the ATC is out to lunch, and they don't know how to use or interpret a wx radar. My local FO (great guy) is flying and is concerned. I cannot convey to the controller what we want to do. So I take control of the AC, and let the FO talk to the controller in Mandarin. We do a very uneventful approach and landing in light rain and 3 knots of wind, while 10 other aircraft divert.
It just isn't worth the effort to come here. The high paycheck isn't worth it. The paycheck is high because NOBODY is silly enough to come here. Except a retard like me.
I will probably stay and collect my high paycheck until......who knows. Could be one day, or one year till the end of my contract. To be honest, I am rooting for 1 day.
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All true... Hang in there J. I did it for 2.5 years, but what a ******-Up industry, Airspace, Co/Gov too, and ALL! 
Here back to the over-organized, SOPed, Standardized and Verbatim, and over Safe-Qualified X2 world.
I though I was going to hate it, but loving it! Except well, my paycheck, of course!
DoubleJ
Here back to the over-organized, SOPed, Standardized and Verbatim, and over Safe-Qualified X2 world.
I though I was going to hate it, but loving it! Except well, my paycheck, of course!
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But what do the foreigner pilots feel about their flying career with f*ck*d up SOP's and things like that? Are they okay with that or what?
@JotaJota: Are you now back in the USA or still working in Asia?
@JotaJota: Are you now back in the USA or still working in Asia?
