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Don't waste your time !!!
There are lots of advertisements, almost everybody is trying to recruit for them. Don't waste your time !!
The hotels for screenings are terrible. The whole process is handled by kids with no experience in dealing with foreign pilots. They make many
last minute schedule changes and the list goes on and on.
You will have to deal with a CAAC check rides, where they fail many for good reasons and others for no reasons. It is a very long process, if you are lucky it will take 5 months to start working.
If you get the job you will have to deal with pilots smoking cigarettes in the cockpit. Most of the Chinese FOs do not speak English so they have a crew member who translates.
The regulation in China requires a foreign pilot to fly with a Chinese FO.
The translators (which lack experience) speak very poor English and you will have to deal with them during the screening, training and flights.
Don't ask me what would happen during an in flight emergency if you would have to communicate to your FO through a translator (seated in the jumpseat) who speaks English poorly.
It is not worth flying for them for the money they say they are going to pay you.
Don't forget you will have to breath in the smog while you live there.
The hotels for screenings are terrible. The whole process is handled by kids with no experience in dealing with foreign pilots. They make many
last minute schedule changes and the list goes on and on.
You will have to deal with a CAAC check rides, where they fail many for good reasons and others for no reasons. It is a very long process, if you are lucky it will take 5 months to start working.
If you get the job you will have to deal with pilots smoking cigarettes in the cockpit. Most of the Chinese FOs do not speak English so they have a crew member who translates.
The regulation in China requires a foreign pilot to fly with a Chinese FO.
The translators (which lack experience) speak very poor English and you will have to deal with them during the screening, training and flights.
Don't ask me what would happen during an in flight emergency if you would have to communicate to your FO through a translator (seated in the jumpseat) who speaks English poorly.
It is not worth flying for them for the money they say they are going to pay you.
Don't forget you will have to breath in the smog while you live there.
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I was at Okay Airways. STAY AWAY. What Snowcat said is only the tip of the iceberg. I'm at another company in China now and while its not perfect its 100 times better than Okay Airways. Okay Airways is less than OK............
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All agencies offer the same contract, your training pay starts when you arrive in China for training and 60 days after full Captain salary quicks in.
These contracts are so new that nobody has ben paid yet so we'll have to see. A couple of old contracts, one already left because he was tired of flying right seat and the other one still on training pay, over 100 hours of line indoc and none of these guys were released as a full Captain.
The mood right now there is that Ohhh they need us so everething will fall in place.
In aviation what you see is what you get.
These contracts are so new that nobody has ben paid yet so we'll have to see. A couple of old contracts, one already left because he was tired of flying right seat and the other one still on training pay, over 100 hours of line indoc and none of these guys were released as a full Captain.
The mood right now there is that Ohhh they need us so everething will fall in place.
In aviation what you see is what you get.
hmm..
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I can't imagine how it was before. I hope it gets better for the guys trying to give it a go over there. In any case I don't expect a CEO trying to make things better for the pilots group.
China it is not worth the effort.
China it is not worth the effort.
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Hmm. Flying for most likely the number 1 737 pilots provider for Chinese Airlines in Europe(hehe, yep, that one ;-) ) and was thinking about doing an interview or 2. I have previous experience abroad(Australia, ME, Africa, Asia,...) and thought I might give Chinese Airlines a shot - but then I got THE magic book about China from one of my FO and honestly, it made me change my mind. Of course you think - well, that guy writing that book was just pissed, but then I just turned down a lady which really wanted me to go to that OK interview after reading about them in the book.
Seems flying in China(was there a lot, but thanks god with qualified EUROPEAN FO's) might be more or less the worst that can happen to you in modern, western(CRM and all that other "crap" ;-) )dominated aviation. So tell me guys, that actually flying over there, is it really only the money that counts at the end? Or is there really anything good in China or at least an airline that is worth working for - e.g. how are Xiamen(seems half RYR is there), OK, Fuzhou and whatever all their names are. Really curious and would appreciate any info. PM is fine as well if prefered.
Especially all former collegues - help out a fellow skipper still living the dream and doing double sectors 5 days in a row on that famous NASA roster....^^
Seems flying in China(was there a lot, but thanks god with qualified EUROPEAN FO's) might be more or less the worst that can happen to you in modern, western(CRM and all that other "crap" ;-) )dominated aviation. So tell me guys, that actually flying over there, is it really only the money that counts at the end? Or is there really anything good in China or at least an airline that is worth working for - e.g. how are Xiamen(seems half RYR is there), OK, Fuzhou and whatever all their names are. Really curious and would appreciate any info. PM is fine as well if prefered.
Especially all former collegues - help out a fellow skipper still living the dream and doing double sectors 5 days in a row on that famous NASA roster....^^
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