Jetstar Asia Advanced Cadet Program
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1. I too was rejected by JetStarAsia, made lots of queries, and finally found out from the powers to be that is was because I exceed the age 32 requirement even though I meet the Singaporean pre-requisite.
2. As far as the company investment, there is actually money that has been granted to JetStarAsia by the Singapore government that makes all this possible. A non CAAS type rated pilot, getting in under the traditional pilot application process, not ACP, has to fork out S$60,000 + relocation + living expenses just to take the job. An ACP candidate forks out about the same amount but most of the money is used to clear CAAS exams, and obtain flight training to make them ready to fly jet aircraft so that they do not flunk out of the full A320 type rating training, so there is a company investment with this, it is not all individual sponsored, and therefore there is the age requirement stipulation. By limiting it to Singapore Citizen / PR the chances of you sticking around for them to recoup their investment is much higher.
3. As far as ACP anyway, the company I believe is not concerned with military vs. civilian, foreign vs. CAAS license, etc. Be mindful though, all 6 recently ACP hired already have a CAAS license so they will save 3-4 months of initial ground school in the ACP program. With Oxford having the monopoly with the CAAS in exam preparation now, you should see how much money they want for a 3 month at home self study computer disk course endorsed by the CAAS, that is a time savings both to the candidate and the airline.
I am sorry to share all this bad news with you folks but let's not screw up the rest of our lives, better to forge ahead to the future with both eyes wide open.
Take care and God bless all...
1. I too was rejected by JetStarAsia, made lots of queries, and finally found out from the powers to be that is was because I exceed the age 32 requirement even though I meet the Singaporean pre-requisite.
2. As far as the company investment, there is actually money that has been granted to JetStarAsia by the Singapore government that makes all this possible. A non CAAS type rated pilot, getting in under the traditional pilot application process, not ACP, has to fork out S$60,000 + relocation + living expenses just to take the job. An ACP candidate forks out about the same amount but most of the money is used to clear CAAS exams, and obtain flight training to make them ready to fly jet aircraft so that they do not flunk out of the full A320 type rating training, so there is a company investment with this, it is not all individual sponsored, and therefore there is the age requirement stipulation. By limiting it to Singapore Citizen / PR the chances of you sticking around for them to recoup their investment is much higher.
3. As far as ACP anyway, the company I believe is not concerned with military vs. civilian, foreign vs. CAAS license, etc. Be mindful though, all 6 recently ACP hired already have a CAAS license so they will save 3-4 months of initial ground school in the ACP program. With Oxford having the monopoly with the CAAS in exam preparation now, you should see how much money they want for a 3 month at home self study computer disk course endorsed by the CAAS, that is a time savings both to the candidate and the airline.
I am sorry to share all this bad news with you folks but let's not screw up the rest of our lives, better to forge ahead to the future with both eyes wide open.
Take care and God bless all...
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Is it true that the ab-inito guys will be heading to UK for their ATPL studies? I'm just wondering if they would be doing the JAA subjects before converting it to a CAAS one or they'd be doing the CAAS subjects right from the start.
PNY is right on the ACP. In fact, Jetstar Asia is paying the type rating for us, we just have to pay for our MCC. It saves us a great deal of money.
PNY is right on the ACP. In fact, Jetstar Asia is paying the type rating for us, we just have to pay for our MCC. It saves us a great deal of money.
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Thank you PNY, you really help old folks like us packed up our hopes and move on.
To : whoever from jetstar that is reading this forum, next time spell out your requirements clearly *#@holes!!
To : whoever from jetstar that is reading this forum, next time spell out your requirements clearly *#@holes!!
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PNY: any idea if the employment contract was offered to the ACP cadets before the start of the training? and as for the ab initio program, did Jetstar put in any money?
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Since when did MCC and CAAS papers cost $50K?
MCC cost $3-5k....
Theory papers are but spare change...
Where do u think the money went?
Pretty much the type conversion...
MCC cost $3-5k....
Theory papers are but spare change...
Where do u think the money went?
Pretty much the type conversion...
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CAAS type ratings require the candidate to do 3 take-offs and landings in the actual aircraft at the end of the entire course. This is why CAAS do not recognise your type rating if you do elsewhere on the CAAS licence and it costs much more compared to JAR for example.
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I know all this hurts folks but do NOT take it so personally. Being an old fart myself, sort off anyway, I suggest that we all move on instead of getting so upset.
Singapore is no different that the rest of the world. Not that I want to share my life story on this forum, but I have been an airline pilot, and I left the industry shortly after being furloughed after 9/11 to support my family and only got back into it after I relocated back to Singapore.
It is time to move on, keep your eyes open, there might be another opportunity soon.
Think of those hopefuls much closer to realizing their dreams who will be pushed aside by the 1,800 pilot's from JAL that are now looking for work.
Remember : Careful Preparation + Opportunity = LUCK
The only ones you hurt by getting so upset is your loved ones who have done so much for you so calm down and move on with your eyes open.
Keep the faith always...
dream747: In case you have not updated yourself lately, it was about 2 months ago that CAAS converted all their exams to be similar to JAA exams and Oxford got the big contract for all of Singapore. Oxford sells the home study course license for 3 months of home study followed by 1 month of class room work with their instructors and then you take exams. Not sure how are doing with ab-initio though but that is the protocol now anyway...
Singapore is no different that the rest of the world. Not that I want to share my life story on this forum, but I have been an airline pilot, and I left the industry shortly after being furloughed after 9/11 to support my family and only got back into it after I relocated back to Singapore.
It is time to move on, keep your eyes open, there might be another opportunity soon.
Think of those hopefuls much closer to realizing their dreams who will be pushed aside by the 1,800 pilot's from JAL that are now looking for work.
Remember : Careful Preparation + Opportunity = LUCK
The only ones you hurt by getting so upset is your loved ones who have done so much for you so calm down and move on with your eyes open.
Keep the faith always...
dream747: In case you have not updated yourself lately, it was about 2 months ago that CAAS converted all their exams to be similar to JAA exams and Oxford got the big contract for all of Singapore. Oxford sells the home study course license for 3 months of home study followed by 1 month of class room work with their instructors and then you take exams. Not sure how are doing with ab-initio though but that is the protocol now anyway...
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dream747:
Honestly, I would not know anything about SFC, I can tell you that the word about the change towards a JAA type licensing examinations was out for the last 9 months to smooth the transition before it happened.
I think Jeppesen tried very hard to get the CAAS contract but Oxford won out easily due to the fact that their JAA material is much more current, available in soft copy and changes were made to make it more applicable to Singapore than the effort Jeppesen made to simply try to sell their 15 book JAA ATPL library set that is not tailor made to Singapore at all. Also, it was only after the CAAS approval that Oxford decided to set up a classroom training center in Singapore that students attend to prepare for the examinations only after you master material for several months at home on the computer. Believe me, I have seen the prices though, Oxford licensing for the computer classroom is no cheap price tag either.
In fact, it was CAAS licensing folks themselves that sent the email brochure of available Oxford material to all schools and clubs themselves 2 months ago once the contract was sealed. So yes, the CAAS examinations now mirror the JAA examinations instead of the UK CAA like when you went to SFC!
Honestly, I would not know anything about SFC, I can tell you that the word about the change towards a JAA type licensing examinations was out for the last 9 months to smooth the transition before it happened.
I think Jeppesen tried very hard to get the CAAS contract but Oxford won out easily due to the fact that their JAA material is much more current, available in soft copy and changes were made to make it more applicable to Singapore than the effort Jeppesen made to simply try to sell their 15 book JAA ATPL library set that is not tailor made to Singapore at all. Also, it was only after the CAAS approval that Oxford decided to set up a classroom training center in Singapore that students attend to prepare for the examinations only after you master material for several months at home on the computer. Believe me, I have seen the prices though, Oxford licensing for the computer classroom is no cheap price tag either.
In fact, it was CAAS licensing folks themselves that sent the email brochure of available Oxford material to all schools and clubs themselves 2 months ago once the contract was sealed. So yes, the CAAS examinations now mirror the JAA examinations instead of the UK CAA like when you went to SFC!
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When I was in SFC there's always been the talk of CAAS going the JAA way but nothing was ever confirmed during my time there. So I suppose they're doing the JAA papers? It'll mean no Meteorology Practical paper on it's own, more subjects.. etc. Thanks for the update by the way!
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