Jetstar Asia Advanced Cadet Program
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Jetstar Asia Advanced Cadet Program
Hi dudes,
Jetstar asia has recently launched an "Advanced Cadet Programme (ACP)".
Pilot Cadet Program - Jetstar Airways
Here are the requirements:
Male and female Singapore Citizens / Permanent Residents (PR)
For male applicants – You must have either completed, be exempt from, or not be liable for, full-time National Service (NS). (Those in the process of completing NS may also apply)
CAAS Class 1 Medical Certificate
Logged 700 hours aeronautical experience (aeroplane or helicopter)
Minimum 100 hours PIC aeroplanes
The 700 hours requirement essentially disqualified the majority of relatively inexperienced pilots except Flight Instructors or those from the military, given the near zero GA in singapore.
I have a CAAS CPL ME/IR and met all their requirements except the 700 hours. What is the rational behind this magic number?
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Jetstar asia has recently launched an "Advanced Cadet Programme (ACP)".
Pilot Cadet Program - Jetstar Airways
Here are the requirements:
Male and female Singapore Citizens / Permanent Residents (PR)
For male applicants – You must have either completed, be exempt from, or not be liable for, full-time National Service (NS). (Those in the process of completing NS may also apply)
CAAS Class 1 Medical Certificate
Logged 700 hours aeronautical experience (aeroplane or helicopter)
Minimum 100 hours PIC aeroplanes
The 700 hours requirement essentially disqualified the majority of relatively inexperienced pilots except Flight Instructors or those from the military, given the near zero GA in singapore.
I have a CAAS CPL ME/IR and met all their requirements except the 700 hours. What is the rational behind this magic number?
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looking at the ab initio programme, it's A$142,500
heck, how to pay off such an amount??
not forgetting one has to pay S$400 excl GST just to take the OAA tests in stage 2
heck, how to pay off such an amount??
not forgetting one has to pay S$400 excl GST just to take the OAA tests in stage 2
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No GA in Singapore but there are lots of opportunities to build hours in neighbouring Indonesia. Lots of low timers from around the world are here to log hours but very few if any from Singapore? Wonder why? Is it a cultural thing or perhaps arrogance? 700 hours can be easily achieved within 12 months flying in Indonesia.
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@training wheels
Or perhaps not being exposed to the reality of aviation in other parts of the world. Until the last half a decade or so, flying in Singapore is almost solely synonymous with main lines, specifically SIA.
@cruisercruiser
I believe the 700 hours is a requirement only for non-CAAS licence (for CPL conversion). With your CAAS qualifications, you only need to meet their 100 hrs PIC requirement and probably would not even have to sit through their 5-months correspondence ATPL. Read OAA's FAQ and call them to enquire.
Good luck.
Or perhaps not being exposed to the reality of aviation in other parts of the world. Until the last half a decade or so, flying in Singapore is almost solely synonymous with main lines, specifically SIA.
@cruisercruiser
I believe the 700 hours is a requirement only for non-CAAS licence (for CPL conversion). With your CAAS qualifications, you only need to meet their 100 hrs PIC requirement and probably would not even have to sit through their 5-months correspondence ATPL. Read OAA's FAQ and call them to enquire.
Good luck.
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Guys and Girls, I think those of you who are Singaporean are in a great position to take advantage of this opportunity. Here is a carrier offering a fast track to the RHS of a Jet. There are A LOT of people who would chew arms off for this chance. Here is an investment for the future and the best part is there is a very good job at the end.
Furthermore, with the arrival of the A330, you will get the vital wide body jet experience to make your CV sparkle.
Yes the training costs are high. But, you are paying about the same an european wannabe would splurge for just the fATPL, WITHOUT the type rating. Upon earning a full F/O wage, you will out do your european counterparts and that is even before you take into account of tax. In England I pay close to 36%. No matter what has been said, Singapore is not that expensive in comparison to Europe.
When I lived in Singapore, I loved it btw, I always mused how locals felt done over even when they had got a great deal. I promise you, after the SIA cadetship this a very good second.
Good Luck and go get it!
btw, I wish I had this chance and no I am not JetStar management...
Furthermore, with the arrival of the A330, you will get the vital wide body jet experience to make your CV sparkle.
Yes the training costs are high. But, you are paying about the same an european wannabe would splurge for just the fATPL, WITHOUT the type rating. Upon earning a full F/O wage, you will out do your european counterparts and that is even before you take into account of tax. In England I pay close to 36%. No matter what has been said, Singapore is not that expensive in comparison to Europe.
When I lived in Singapore, I loved it btw, I always mused how locals felt done over even when they had got a great deal. I promise you, after the SIA cadetship this a very good second.
Good Luck and go get it!
btw, I wish I had this chance and no I am not JetStar management...
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Hi there, this is a nice program Jet Star offers.
During the Oxford assessments applicants have to do a lot of pilot aptitude tests, like you will see here:
OAA Skills Assessment
It is recommend to use the skytest.com prep software for Middle East Carriers because it contains exactly these modules. Cheers
During the Oxford assessments applicants have to do a lot of pilot aptitude tests, like you will see here:
OAA Skills Assessment
It is recommend to use the skytest.com prep software for Middle East Carriers because it contains exactly these modules. Cheers
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Originally Posted by cruisercruiser
The 700 hours requirement essentially disqualified the majority of relatively inexperienced pilots except Flight Instructors or those from the military, given the near zero GA in singapore.
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Criticism on ACP
Originally Posted by Touch'n'oops
Guys and Girls, I think those of you who are Singaporean are in a great position to take advantage of this opportunity. Here is a carrier offering a fast track to the RHS of a Jet.
HOWEVER, the programme fee for ACP cost between AUD42,000 (SGD54,500) to AUD76,000 (SGD98,600)! It is extremely hard to find applicants (especically Singaporeans) who can afford such a big money!
No.1. Those Singaporean self sponsored pilots already spent a quarter million on licence. Forking out another sum for ACP?! Big Joke!
No.2. Those Singaporean self sponsored pilots are low timer, and might be only handful who meet the requirement of 700hours! Big Joke!
No.3. Those Singaporean pilots who meet the requirements but forcing them to pay a bizzare amount for ACP? Big Joke!
So, the moral of Jetstar Asia ACP is definitely a big joker plan for Singaporeans! Believe it or not, the boundary is way too tough for Singaporeans! Unlikely to recruit Singaporean pilots into ACP! We shall wait and see whether this stupid ACP plan going to work or not.
Don't know who is smart Alex in Jetstar Asia who come out with ACP money making business plan!
Originally Posted by Touch'n'oops
There are A LOT of people who would chew arms off for this chance. Here is an investment for the future and the best part is there is a very good job at the end.
The Jetstar Asia ACP is likely to recruit filthy rich Tom-Dick-Harry from foreign countries producing oil (from Islamic countries lah). <- highlight to see
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I think Jetstar Group should consider some means of helping prospective applicants finance the training costs -for eg. allowing applicants to pay off the training costs via their salary in affordable instalments. Otherwise it will be very difficult for prospective trainees financially, especially since Jetstar is targetting only Singaporeans and PRs. For the Advanced Cadet Program this is especially true, just think about it - the typical self-sponsored Singaporean low-time pilot would already have spent a fortune getting their licences, then either end up jobless if in Singapore (after being rejected by the local airlines for some reason or another) with a huge debt to pay off, or the more fortunate ones venture out and gain employment in neighbouring countries like Indonesia or Malaysia working for meagre salaries just so that they have a chance to build up their flying hours. Jetstar Group management people - if you are reading this post, please consider this issue and help us low-time aviators..
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Originally Posted by training wheels
No GA in Singapore but there are lots of opportunities to build hours in neighbouring Indonesia.
Originally Posted by training wheels
700 hours can be easily achieved within 12 months flying in Indonesia.
Also, demanding Singaporeans to pay AUD42,000 (SGD54,500) to AUD76,000 (SGD98,600) for ACP?! Hah...what a money milking idea!
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what i'm interested in is how are the ab initio cadets gonna pay off the almost S$200,000 fee after passing course and gaining employment at Jetstar
i believe a good chunk of the monthly salary is gonna go into financing the loan
how much do they pay a A320 F/O??
let's say each month he earns S$5000
paying S$2500 monthly for loan will take more than 6.5yrs to finish, not including the interest rate here yet
how many years/hours is required for them to promote you to a Captain?
i believe a good chunk of the monthly salary is gonna go into financing the loan
how much do they pay a A320 F/O??
let's say each month he earns S$5000
paying S$2500 monthly for loan will take more than 6.5yrs to finish, not including the interest rate here yet
how many years/hours is required for them to promote you to a Captain?
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Once upon a time, it was normal for airlines to recruit cadets through a process which separated the ones with the aptitude and skills best for the position / company concerned, rather than their abilities to procure cash. Times change, it is now very rare for airlines to have senior management / executive financial positions filled by people who care more about the long term sustainability of an operation, than they do about maximizing their next bonus. A fully self-funded cadet program with long term salary sacrifice is just another way of artificially lowering the ticket price and delaying the inevitable exodus of crew. Sure, a uni degree might cost a similar amount. However, does that degree lock you into single company on soup-kitchen wage? This industry has changed a lot, and is changing at its fastest rate ever. At the current rate of erosion of terms and conditions, go ahead, ask yourself where will it be by the time YOU can afford to move on?????????? Caveat Emptor.
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haha, do you know a Singaporean studying in a local university for a 4-year course will cost less than S$30,000?
S$200,000 is plain madness, it's like buying a government housing in Singapore
S$200,000 is plain madness, it's like buying a government housing in Singapore
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Jetstar ACP Monkey Money Plan
I agree with Skybound79!
AirAsia and other airlines are able to absorb the training cost BUT why NOT Jetstar!
Jetstar Asia definitely has the money to expand but no money to train pilots?! Big JOKE!
Jetstar Group childishly thinks that all applicants are rich!
Jetstar Group thought that all Singaporeans are son, grandson, nephew of UOB Chairman Wee Cho Yaw, Creative Chairman Sim Wong Hoo, BreadTalk Founder George Quek Meng Tong, City Developments Chariman Kwek Leng Beng, Singapore Tycoon Oei Hong Leong, NTUC Insurance King Tan Kin Lian or Sheng Siong Supermarket King Lim Hock Chee or etc.
Look at that! Jetstar Group are making applicants to pay between SGD54,500 to SGD98,600! WOW...
I do not think they will not be reading this. Let's pray that this ACP monkey plan fail.
Originally Posted by Skybound79
I think Jetstar Group should consider some means of helping prospective applicants finance the training costs -for eg. allowing applicants to pay off the training costs via their salary in affordable instalments. Otherwise it will be very difficult for prospective trainees financially, especially since Jetstar is targetting only Singaporeans and PRs.
Jetstar Asia definitely has the money to expand but no money to train pilots?! Big JOKE!
Originally Posted by Skybound79
For the Advanced Cadet Program this is especially true, just think about it - the typical self-sponsored Singaporean low-time pilot would already have spent a fortune getting their licences, then either end up jobless if in Singapore (after being rejected by the local airlines for some reason or another) with a huge debt to pay off, or the more fortunate ones venture out and gain employment in neighbouring countries like Indonesia or Malaysia working for meagre salaries just so that they have a chance to build up their flying hours.
Jetstar Group thought that all Singaporeans are son, grandson, nephew of UOB Chairman Wee Cho Yaw, Creative Chairman Sim Wong Hoo, BreadTalk Founder George Quek Meng Tong, City Developments Chariman Kwek Leng Beng, Singapore Tycoon Oei Hong Leong, NTUC Insurance King Tan Kin Lian or Sheng Siong Supermarket King Lim Hock Chee or etc.
Look at that! Jetstar Group are making applicants to pay between SGD54,500 to SGD98,600! WOW...
Originally Posted by Skybound79
Jetstar Group management people - if you are reading this post, please consider this issue and help us low-time aviators..
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Originally Posted by Stallone
looking at the ab initio programme, it's A$142,500
heck, how to pay off such an amount?? not forgetting one has to pay S$400 excl GST just to take the OAA tests in stage 2
heck, how to pay off such an amount?? not forgetting one has to pay S$400 excl GST just to take the OAA tests in stage 2
I assume, Jetstar Group will be receiving bombastic emails from Indians, Australians, Mainlander Chinese, Malaysians or Middle Easteners.
May be, Jetstar Group are going to recruit non-Singaporeans for ab initio programme.
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Whereas for ACP, it is clearly stated for Singaporeans/PR only. I do not think qualified Singaporean pilots can afford.
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Originally Posted by antony.s
Hi there, this is a nice program Jet Star offers.
Many airlines in this world are offering FREE training program! Yes, I repeat it is FREE!
In fact, airlines are giving it to their own national citizens for free but with bond in return.
Also, Jetstar Asia owns a fair number fleet of Airbus 320. They are going to expand and their t.v. advertisements are everyday! For this ACP, I only can see Jetstar Group is "blood" sucking.
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If im not wrong,
earlier this year, Jet* Oz offered a similar ACP to holders of CASA licence.
And fees repayment were arranged through salary deductions.
Howzit not possible this time even though its the same company offering the same program but for Singaporeans/PRs ?
Perhaps its a catch thats hidden until pass the final interview, then all will be revealed...
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Loan Repayment after 18mths? NOT in singapore Im thinking...
The minute you disburse the initial amount, YOU START PAYING...
earlier this year, Jet* Oz offered a similar ACP to holders of CASA licence.
And fees repayment were arranged through salary deductions.
Howzit not possible this time even though its the same company offering the same program but for Singaporeans/PRs ?
Perhaps its a catch thats hidden until pass the final interview, then all will be revealed...
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Loan Repayment after 18mths? NOT in singapore Im thinking...
The minute you disburse the initial amount, YOU START PAYING...
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You don't have to be Einstein to know which ones they are. Those who've used their own initiative to find out more about the Indonesian aviation scene are well set for a flying career here and there are many currently flying and building hours. You come across as being so negative about many recruitment initiatives of airlines in the region. With that kind of attitude, it's no wonder why you're still forever searching.