Low hour expats (aussies) working in Asia Question
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Hi,
Anyone out there have any contact information for the companies mentioned earlier. I have looked through their websites and can't seem to find any helpful information. Any information would be much appreciated.
I am particularily looking for a contact person for Merpati.
Thanks.
Anyone out there have any contact information for the companies mentioned earlier. I have looked through their websites and can't seem to find any helpful information. Any information would be much appreciated.
I am particularily looking for a contact person for Merpati.
Thanks.
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Get in the real world !!
Well ZFT, your a real clown and it is obvious that you have been walking around with your eyes closed, like all the other monkeys here in Indonesia.
Get in the real world you chumpy, chump, chump !
Enjoy your food poisoning from your 5 star street cart killers on wheels -
Get in the real world you chumpy, chump, chump !
Enjoy your food poisoning from your 5 star street cart killers on wheels -
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Hey Flight Asia !
Right on Bro !
I have been up here in Indonesia and right through S.E. Asia for quite a while, and the crap that goes on up here in this bent country is unbelievable.
Any man with his eyes open can see for himself, just how this country operates, especially in aviation.
It`s the huge joke how things are run here and all the clowns and monkeys around here in this polluted dirty country.
If you dont have an iron gut, you will die of food poisoning, thats for sure !
Thanks Flight Asia, I can see that you are walking around with your eyes wide open and you have a degree of commonsense about you
May " Allah " be with you, when flying the skys up here in this neck of the woods.
I have been up here in Indonesia and right through S.E. Asia for quite a while, and the crap that goes on up here in this bent country is unbelievable.
Any man with his eyes open can see for himself, just how this country operates, especially in aviation.
It`s the huge joke how things are run here and all the clowns and monkeys around here in this polluted dirty country.
If you dont have an iron gut, you will die of food poisoning, thats for sure !
Thanks Flight Asia, I can see that you are walking around with your eyes wide open and you have a degree of commonsense about you
May " Allah " be with you, when flying the skys up here in this neck of the woods.
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Latitude1 says:
Right on Bro !
I have been up here in Indonesia and right through S.E. Asia for quite a while, and the crap that goes on up here in this bent country is unbelievable.
Any man with his eyes open can see for himself, just how this country operates, especially in aviation.
It`s the huge joke how things are run here and all the clowns and monkeys around here in this polluted dirty country.
If you dont have an iron gut, you will die of food poisoning, thats for sure !
Thanks Flight Asia, I can see that you are walking around with your eyes wide open and you have a degree of commonsense about you
I say:
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If you had any degree of common sense about you lattitude one?
Then you would get out of there.
and you wouldn't be writing crap!
No one has forced you to go there!
If you don't like it, then go home!
Today!
Flight Asia can carry your bags.
Right on Bro !
I have been up here in Indonesia and right through S.E. Asia for quite a while, and the crap that goes on up here in this bent country is unbelievable.
Any man with his eyes open can see for himself, just how this country operates, especially in aviation.
It`s the huge joke how things are run here and all the clowns and monkeys around here in this polluted dirty country.
If you dont have an iron gut, you will die of food poisoning, thats for sure !
Thanks Flight Asia, I can see that you are walking around with your eyes wide open and you have a degree of commonsense about you
I say:
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If you had any degree of common sense about you lattitude one?
Then you would get out of there.
and you wouldn't be writing crap!
No one has forced you to go there!
If you don't like it, then go home!
Today!
Flight Asia can carry your bags.
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southernskyz, it is nothing about writing crap, everything we have put up here is simple fact and is written so others can be better informed and make better choices.
No one forces anyone to do anything in a free world, and this attitude of "well if you dont like it piss off" or "no one forced you to come" is a very primitive attitude as well.
What your in affect saying is that people should accept anything and just put up with it without question! Then why are these companies hiring western pilots if they dont want change, and what good are we going to do if we just accept it and not push for any change, if every one just accepted things in life then nothing would ever change or advance.
No one forces anyone to do anything in a free world, and this attitude of "well if you dont like it piss off" or "no one forced you to come" is a very primitive attitude as well.
What your in affect saying is that people should accept anything and just put up with it without question! Then why are these companies hiring western pilots if they dont want change, and what good are we going to do if we just accept it and not push for any change, if every one just accepted things in life then nothing would ever change or advance.
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Flightasia you said the following:
Latitude1 is totally correct, I would not call them monkeys but indonesians are totally uneducated, uncivilised 3rd world population that has not got any ability to be running a safe airline or any operation that has a bit of organisation. AND
You will get totally sick in indonesia, if your eating the crap on the streets or in 5 star restruents sooner or later you will get sick, these people have no standards and its the same people that are working in hotels or on the streets.AND
Latitude1 is totally correct, I would not call them monkeys but indonesians are totally uneducated, uncivilised 3rd world population that has not got any ability to be running a safe airline or any operation that has a bit of organisation.
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Flightasia, now really mister, you have no right to insult people from that part of the world.
It just shows that you are so primitive and have no respect and understanding for other cultures.
You and lattitude one, are still kids that need to grow up.
The only person that's uncivilised and uneducated is yourself and your mate!
The way the aviation scene is run in that country is in accordance with icao standards and you think you're so smart and want to be a hero.
Well you're not a hero but only a loud mouth and a total goose!
You should work in another country that meets your standards!
If you're in Indonesia, then just get out of there!
Lattitude one has left and there's room for you to leave also!
That's all i want to say about this, you can send me a p.m.
Silly Boy.
Latitude1 is totally correct, I would not call them monkeys but indonesians are totally uneducated, uncivilised 3rd world population that has not got any ability to be running a safe airline or any operation that has a bit of organisation. AND
You will get totally sick in indonesia, if your eating the crap on the streets or in 5 star restruents sooner or later you will get sick, these people have no standards and its the same people that are working in hotels or on the streets.AND
Latitude1 is totally correct, I would not call them monkeys but indonesians are totally uneducated, uncivilised 3rd world population that has not got any ability to be running a safe airline or any operation that has a bit of organisation.
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Flightasia, now really mister, you have no right to insult people from that part of the world.
It just shows that you are so primitive and have no respect and understanding for other cultures.
You and lattitude one, are still kids that need to grow up.
The only person that's uncivilised and uneducated is yourself and your mate!
The way the aviation scene is run in that country is in accordance with icao standards and you think you're so smart and want to be a hero.
Well you're not a hero but only a loud mouth and a total goose!
You should work in another country that meets your standards!
If you're in Indonesia, then just get out of there!
Lattitude one has left and there's room for you to leave also!
That's all i want to say about this, you can send me a p.m.
Silly Boy.
Flightasia, now really mister, you have no right to insult people from that part of the world.
It just shows that you are so primitive and have no respect and understanding for other cultures.
You and lattitude one, are still kids that need to grow up.
The only person that's uncivilised and uneducated is yourself and your mate!
The way the aviation scene is run in that country is in accordance with icao standards and you think you're so smart and want to be a hero.
Well you're not a hero but only a loud mouth and a total goose!
You should work in another country that meets your standards!
If you're in Indonesia, then just get out of there!
Lattitude one has left and there's room for you to leave also!
It just shows that you are so primitive and have no respect and understanding for other cultures.
You and lattitude one, are still kids that need to grow up.
The only person that's uncivilised and uneducated is yourself and your mate!
The way the aviation scene is run in that country is in accordance with icao standards and you think you're so smart and want to be a hero.
Well you're not a hero but only a loud mouth and a total goose!
You should work in another country that meets your standards!
If you're in Indonesia, then just get out of there!
Lattitude one has left and there's room for you to leave also!
You may know that Indonesian aviation as a whole is rated very poorly by both the EU and the FAA. Primarily this is because of the poor oversight by the local aviation authority, DGCA.
To say that the aviation scene in Indonesia is run in accordance with ICAO is a tad naive. In parts yes but I am sure ICAO themselves would say vast improvements are needed.
Does this mean that an expat coming to work in Indonesia can come and slag off all that is done? Well if done constructively is there that much of an issue? Indonesia needs to improve, in many circles wants to improve. The safety record is still appalling and if expats can bring their training and ideas to a country and help improve its safety outcomes then that is surely positive.
Latitude1 and flightasia have spoken some truth in what they say, they just haven't said it very constructively (but this is a Professional Pilots Rumour Network after all). The reality is that Indonesia has a very poor education system, immense ingrained corruption and a huge wealth divide. This doesn't mean that all Indonesians in the aviation system are dangerous but the dynamics of this country make it harder to break out of the mould and push for change.
Providing they come with the right attitude there is the potential for expats to come and try and help improve Indonesian aviation. At the end of the day an expat has more of an opportunity to speak out or 'do the right thing' because they can pack up and leave, whereas a national might not be able to take such risks if they don't want to jeopardise their career in their home country.
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Massey058, i'm commenting on the insulting comments the other two users have posted, about their remarks on the culture in that country.
If the other two users don't like the culture and food in that country,
then they should just get out of there!
You are another hero, who wants to change the system over there.
Just remember that any expat that comes there, is just a visitor in that country, who has to respect the local rules and business culture over there.
Don't give me this crap that because someone is an expat, they're
going to tell the Indonesians how to run their business and aviation
affairs in their own country!
Hello! Who the hell are you guys!
You haven't got the balls to tell the Indonesians what you think when you
see them, but you quite comfortable to open your big mouth here,
where no one can see you!
Go and tell the Indonesians how they should improve their aviation scene!
You can't!
Then don't be a hero like your other two mates!
If the other two users don't like the culture and food in that country,
then they should just get out of there!
You are another hero, who wants to change the system over there.
Just remember that any expat that comes there, is just a visitor in that country, who has to respect the local rules and business culture over there.
Don't give me this crap that because someone is an expat, they're
going to tell the Indonesians how to run their business and aviation
affairs in their own country!
Hello! Who the hell are you guys!
You haven't got the balls to tell the Indonesians what you think when you
see them, but you quite comfortable to open your big mouth here,
where no one can see you!
Go and tell the Indonesians how they should improve their aviation scene!
You can't!
Then don't be a hero like your other two mates!
Gee you might want to actually read before sprouting off rubbish.
It's about actions, not rhetoric. All I'm saying is that you do what you can. Making good decisions and not killing anyone in the process is one way.
Like I said I don't agree with Latitude1 or flightasia. Just because I don't agree with you doesn't change that.
Maybe take a chill pill. And sort out that defeatist attitude.
It's about actions, not rhetoric. All I'm saying is that you do what you can. Making good decisions and not killing anyone in the process is one way.
Like I said I don't agree with Latitude1 or flightasia. Just because I don't agree with you doesn't change that.
Maybe take a chill pill. And sort out that defeatist attitude.
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@ overhere. very good chances, i know many people who have but its all about walking in the door on the right day.
@ Massey058, well said, I didnt mean my commits to be a personal attack on Indonesians, but the simple fact is they dont and cant have the same educations, training and safety culture this is built up into a western person from birth.
@ southernskyz. as far a the food, I love indonesian food, but its not an attack again on the people to say that they dont have any food hygiene standards and that western people will get sick sooner or later, another Fact is that the most major sickness in indonesian among there own people is food or water poisoning, there is nothing saying something is wrong and needs changing for the better of there own people.
As for ICAO standards well I call tell you loud and clear that Indonesia does not maintain ICAO standards at all and for you to even make that statement tells me the you have not flown in Indonesia at all or are walking around with your eyes closes, or you have got no idea what ICAO standards are.
ICAO themselves have said Indonesia does not comply with ICAO standards, The DGAC does not company with ICAO standards, and most airlines (maybe with the exemption of Garuda) again dont company with ICAO standards.
The FAA has issued a clear report and said that the Indonesian Government (DGAC) does not have any expertise or experience to regulate airlines, so the airlines are running unregulated or self regulated in Garudas case. The DGAC runs on corruption and when pilots and airlines can get licences by just paying money its always going to be the same.
@ Massey058, well said, I didnt mean my commits to be a personal attack on Indonesians, but the simple fact is they dont and cant have the same educations, training and safety culture this is built up into a western person from birth.
@ southernskyz. as far a the food, I love indonesian food, but its not an attack again on the people to say that they dont have any food hygiene standards and that western people will get sick sooner or later, another Fact is that the most major sickness in indonesian among there own people is food or water poisoning, there is nothing saying something is wrong and needs changing for the better of there own people.
As for ICAO standards well I call tell you loud and clear that Indonesia does not maintain ICAO standards at all and for you to even make that statement tells me the you have not flown in Indonesia at all or are walking around with your eyes closes, or you have got no idea what ICAO standards are.
ICAO themselves have said Indonesia does not comply with ICAO standards, The DGAC does not company with ICAO standards, and most airlines (maybe with the exemption of Garuda) again dont company with ICAO standards.
The FAA has issued a clear report and said that the Indonesian Government (DGAC) does not have any expertise or experience to regulate airlines, so the airlines are running unregulated or self regulated in Garudas case. The DGAC runs on corruption and when pilots and airlines can get licences by just paying money its always going to be the same.
