Vietnam Airlines. Rishworth or Parc Aviation?
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ia1166, well written you hit the nail on the head
the guys on contract with euro pacific, got the pay cut straight away when it was announced, but only 2.5% less, not 4% for 6 months, now they are on normal pay again.
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ia1166: thanks for the more detailed info. Well written.
So, for those of you looking to work at VAC or anywhere else, who will you sign with? An agency who sells out its pilots and treats your contract like dirt, or one which stands up for you? This may mean that you cannot get a job at VAC. The cost of integrity?
Maybe Parc will suffer a short term loss of numbers at VAC, but I would hope they pick up much more in the long term when pilots are able to rely on a reputable company who will defend their rights and contracts, even when pilots will not defend their own.
I hope Parc continues this.
So, for those of you looking to work at VAC or anywhere else, who will you sign with? An agency who sells out its pilots and treats your contract like dirt, or one which stands up for you? This may mean that you cannot get a job at VAC. The cost of integrity?
Maybe Parc will suffer a short term loss of numbers at VAC, but I would hope they pick up much more in the long term when pilots are able to rely on a reputable company who will defend their rights and contracts, even when pilots will not defend their own.
I hope Parc continues this.
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DPI is new on the block and undercut the other agencies, starting the ball rolling down hill. I have heard that they treat their pilots well, but they pay less to get their foot in the door.
A couple of 320 FO's just screwed all the other FO's by agreeing to not only pay for their rating at double market rates (50+ thousand USD), then pay a training bond (?), but also to work for FO pay for a year (32,000 USD) less. The first two were the going rates here. The last is new, and they did it to jump to the front of the Q.
As long as pilots keep doing this, the jobs will get worse over time.
Rishworth are scumbags. DPI treats their pilots OK, but are underbidding contracts for market share. Parc is the ONLY reputable contract agency, period. Going with anyone else undercuts our careers. Avoid Rishworth like the plague.
Soon to be former Rishworth pilot.
A couple of 320 FO's just screwed all the other FO's by agreeing to not only pay for their rating at double market rates (50+ thousand USD), then pay a training bond (?), but also to work for FO pay for a year (32,000 USD) less. The first two were the going rates here. The last is new, and they did it to jump to the front of the Q.
As long as pilots keep doing this, the jobs will get worse over time.
Rishworth are scumbags. DPI treats their pilots OK, but are underbidding contracts for market share. Parc is the ONLY reputable contract agency, period. Going with anyone else undercuts our careers. Avoid Rishworth like the plague.
Soon to be former Rishworth pilot.
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PROBEUSMC good luck
wish you good luck in changing contractor, at the moment parc seems to be a bit ahead, but once their margins get smaller they might drop you like a hot potato.
the whole thing seems to be going in a 5 year cycle, first euro pacific was best, then rishworth came as number one, by this time everyone was shouting beware of parc, spell it inverted (crap) this is what they are. now they are the good guys, lets talk in 5 years who is best...............
the whole thing seems to be going in a 5 year cycle, first euro pacific was best, then rishworth came as number one, by this time everyone was shouting beware of parc, spell it inverted (crap) this is what they are. now they are the good guys, lets talk in 5 years who is best...............
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I have heard a few bad things about Parc but not much. I am a newbie contract pilot. I have heard from highly experienced contract pilots that Rishworth has been pulling this same @#$%&* for 25 years. I have heard stories much worse than I have been living. It is enough for me. I am done with Rishworth. Overall, experienced contract pilots say nothing but good about Parc, over time. I lived in a house with 1 other Rishworth pilot and 2 Parc pilots. The difference was night and day.
Avoid Rishworth. My opinion.
Avoid Rishworth. My opinion.
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Why bother
I agree with my Jar head friend. Rishworthless. I've been a contract pilot for 20 years and in that time RA have ALWAYS had a bad reputation. Due to a series of misfortunes and convenience I was with them for 2 years. During that time the contract was useless. Their normal reply was "Oh well, due to the GFC you're lucky to even have a job" It might have been true, but not what you really want to hear from your contractor. If you have to use them to get a job, then so be it. But please don't come back here whining about it. You have been warned!
DPI are ok. Professional and courteous. I'm actually on more more money as a wide body FO than a new hire 320 Capt. However I believe that PARC have more gut's when push comes to shove.
DPI are ok. Professional and courteous. I'm actually on more more money as a wide body FO than a new hire 320 Capt. However I believe that PARC have more gut's when push comes to shove.
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I flew my first "contract pilot gig" back in 1999 for Parc Aviation. I personally watched my reps at Parc battle for the pilots with the airline on many, many occasions. They are very succinct and intelligent about their approach to dealing with contract issues. Of course, a lot of that was due to the rep who took care of my issues but he did tell me he got his direction from the CEO, who was adamant that they uphold the contract.
I fly for a US Major... so I can be pretty jaded and "hard to please" in the context of airline pilots (further you move up in your career, the less bs you're willing to put up with). I have flown 5 contracts since those days in 1999 and I can assure you that Parc is still the best company to work with/ for. Sure they're not perfect (who is?) but they balance the client relationship for both the pilot and airline quite well. Any agency is in a tough position these days. They have to cater to a very fickle group (pilots) all while competing aggressively for a limited amount of work out there of late. That Parc has weathered the downturn as well as they have I think speaks volumes about their business model.
I'm not working for Parc at the moment, but for me, I would always chose them over any other contract agency.
I fly for a US Major... so I can be pretty jaded and "hard to please" in the context of airline pilots (further you move up in your career, the less bs you're willing to put up with). I have flown 5 contracts since those days in 1999 and I can assure you that Parc is still the best company to work with/ for. Sure they're not perfect (who is?) but they balance the client relationship for both the pilot and airline quite well. Any agency is in a tough position these days. They have to cater to a very fickle group (pilots) all while competing aggressively for a limited amount of work out there of late. That Parc has weathered the downturn as well as they have I think speaks volumes about their business model.
I'm not working for Parc at the moment, but for me, I would always chose them over any other contract agency.
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The sim profile has been addressed about ten thousand times in other forums matey. Don't be so phukin laxy and spend a few minutes reading what's been published to death already.
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starting the ball rolling down hill
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Vietnam airlines sim check
Hi there!
Does anyone have information about Vietnam airlines simulator check?
(ATR FO)
I´m going to have one in a week and would like to know what to focus on, what do they expect, etc...
Any information will help.
Thx a lot.
Does anyone have information about Vietnam airlines simulator check?
(ATR FO)
I´m going to have one in a week and would like to know what to focus on, what do they expect, etc...
Any information will help.
Thx a lot.
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I don't know that there is a standard profile. Depends on the TRE probably. Mine? The SIM was brand new and the TRE didn't know how to run the panel. We flew 4 hours with no box, no FMA's no autopilot or AT. Hand flown raw data mostly single engine. Absolute chaos but at least ours TRE was not a screamer. Second day the TRE had some instruction and it went smoother. God only knows what you'll get, but good luck to you.
Not much help I guess. Most of the TRE's are good guys, even most of the locals.
Not much help I guess. Most of the TRE's are good guys, even most of the locals.
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I heard from 2 recent 777 guys that their screening was very easy. I don't know if that is standard, but they seemed to think it was. There is no standard at VAC.
And yes, unfortunately there are plenty of French pilots flying here.
Actually all of them great guys, despite my previous sentence.
LOL
And yes, unfortunately there are plenty of French pilots flying here.
Actually all of them great guys, despite my previous sentence.
LOL
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screening
the screening is 2 hrs per candidate, so they will check if you can handle an engine failure on take off, do a single engine go around and a visual landing thereafter. the asesment is pretty straight forward, at least for the 777 candidates, however 2 were sent home during line training.
good advice is to try to get a contract with DPI, so you will get 10% less for the first year. rishworth and will give you the full money, but ask for 1.75% pay reduction for 6 month, as they do now. parc will give you the full pay but has no simulator slots for screening at the moment. if you try to be smart and change the contract company whilst you are in vietnam - forget about it.
5 years ago parc tried to get pilots to change the contract company in their favour, but vietnam airlines said that they would not accept any pilot changing the contractor. so everyone was staying where he was without changing from rishworth to parc from parc to dpi and and and...............
good advice is to try to get a contract with DPI, so you will get 10% less for the first year. rishworth and will give you the full money, but ask for 1.75% pay reduction for 6 month, as they do now. parc will give you the full pay but has no simulator slots for screening at the moment. if you try to be smart and change the contract company whilst you are in vietnam - forget about it.
5 years ago parc tried to get pilots to change the contract company in their favour, but vietnam airlines said that they would not accept any pilot changing the contractor. so everyone was staying where he was without changing from rishworth to parc from parc to dpi and and and...............
