Vietnam Airlines. Rishworth or Parc Aviation?
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Hi all, just wondering what the average experience is of the joining FO's (A320 fleet). I have a current rating (recurrent 11-2009), but no actual hrs on type within the last 6 months; already one of the agencies told me -no- because of this last fact. (if I fly 1 hr on the actual bus, they would! consider me...). I have 1400hrs on the bus, 2100TT and JAA ATPL.
Appreciate any response, all the best.
Michiel
Appreciate any response, all the best.
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Not sure about average FO experience, it's not really an issue here, experience levels for expats range between low time CPL's and ex-US Navy test / fighter pilots.
Whatever your agency is telling now is what is currently required to get a screening, occasionally requirements change, good luck.
Whatever your agency is telling now is what is currently required to get a screening, occasionally requirements change, good luck.
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without a shadow of a doubt PARC is the best. By far. And if you think the RAL and PARC contract are pretty much the same then you need to read it again. The detail of the insurances. Also the money. And they're much better to work for. Just ask the RAL boys about the pay cut they've just had, which has been backdated 6 months. Truly a new low in RALs attitude to it's people.
Screening has started in earnest again. They need 140 odd pilots. I believe DPI pilot contracts are cheaper as they pay less with no insurance so maybe VAC will prefer this agency...but if you apply only to PARC they will have to recruit through them eventually. If you accept the low ball salary of dpi you will be stuck with them.
By the way some of the people saying RAL are ok on this thread actually work for them so beware!
Good luck with screening. It's only 1 session now so don't F### it up!
Screening has started in earnest again. They need 140 odd pilots. I believe DPI pilot contracts are cheaper as they pay less with no insurance so maybe VAC will prefer this agency...but if you apply only to PARC they will have to recruit through them eventually. If you accept the low ball salary of dpi you will be stuck with them.
By the way some of the people saying RAL are ok on this thread actually work for them so beware!
Good luck with screening. It's only 1 session now so don't F### it up!
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For those in the know..... What would be the average monthly salary for A320 and A330 crews (Cpts and FO's) excluding any allowances? I appreciate that each agency would pay slightly different based on their own formulas. Also what are the tax considerations?
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Sign With Rishworth !!!!
And after you do, take your "contract" to the bathroom, use it to wipe your backside as that is all it is worth and EXACTLY how Rishworth treat it. Time after time after time RAL have shown their true colors. The proof is everywhere.
I understand RAL just cut the salaries of the VAC pilots. A COMPLETE breach of contract! RAL just don't give a damn and bank (literally) on the fact that pilots will sell their soul and not stick together or defend themselves.
I understand RAL just cut the salaries of the VAC pilots. A COMPLETE breach of contract! RAL just don't give a damn and bank (literally) on the fact that pilots will sell their soul and not stick together or defend themselves.
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H6
what an odd post. Are you fishing? makes me wonder who you work for.
Here's an idea. Can you all just apply to PARC and refuse to come with anyone else. That would be great.
Some of you who applied with parc were knocked back by vac only to be accepted by vac once you had applied through DPI. So you've basically accepted coming on a reduced salary and benefit package.
It's your choice.
what an odd post. Are you fishing? makes me wonder who you work for.
Here's an idea. Can you all just apply to PARC and refuse to come with anyone else. That would be great.
Some of you who applied with parc were knocked back by vac only to be accepted by vac once you had applied through DPI. So you've basically accepted coming on a reduced salary and benefit package.
It's your choice.
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FO A320
Im trying to get a job with VN airlines as an FO on A320. I have 3000hrs total but all on A319. VN airlines dont seem to recognise the A319 as an A320 series aircraft! The want 300hrs on 320.
Anyone else come across this problem?
Anyone else come across this problem?
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George111,
Yeah i've experienced the same problem. I haven't actually applied yet but according to Parc it would be an issue. I guess the best thing to do is apply anyway and see what VN say (if you haven't done so already?)
P.S. Could it be possible that you have accumulated all that A319 time in the same place I have.....
Yeah i've experienced the same problem. I haven't actually applied yet but according to Parc it would be an issue. I guess the best thing to do is apply anyway and see what VN say (if you haven't done so already?)
P.S. Could it be possible that you have accumulated all that A319 time in the same place I have.....
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Easyjet?
Yeah, Im based in FCO, no A320s here.
Listen, I applied with parc and direct personnel, Direct got my application to VN 1st. Everything was looking good until VN came back with the response that A319hrs count for nothing, after reviewing my application. They must have a minimum of 300 A320hrs. This is crazy and really sucks!
What u going to do?
Listen, I applied with parc and direct personnel, Direct got my application to VN 1st. Everything was looking good until VN came back with the response that A319hrs count for nothing, after reviewing my application. They must have a minimum of 300 A320hrs. This is crazy and really sucks!
What u going to do?
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Hello everyone. I sent my documents a bit later... they answered the screening process for A320 FO's is completed. Does anyone have an idea when other screenings for A320 First Officers could be held?
Thanks in advance.
Luis
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DPI contracts are significantly worse than PARC. As are RAL.
Not heard much from Dreamland about this recently. Care to add you tuppence worth? or are you getting so much incoming as the ral rep that you're under the kitchen table??
Screening is going on now. 10 pilots this week that i know of. CP and FOs.
jump Drive....funny how you were so happy a few months ago. Honeymoon over is it????
Not heard much from Dreamland about this recently. Care to add you tuppence worth? or are you getting so much incoming as the ral rep that you're under the kitchen table??
Screening is going on now. 10 pilots this week that i know of. CP and FOs.
jump Drive....funny how you were so happy a few months ago. Honeymoon over is it????
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well what can i say
i guess it would be the same kinda feeling
if you find your woman with another man.........dream is over!
that chapter was suposed to be closed (as told by RAL words...on COLD) & in my opinion they ****** up big time later on
the rest of the day by day here is the same, nothing has changed, insurance works fine, etc.
and to all the guys asking why less salary on new f/oīs on DPI or RAL or any of the other agencies ....its very simple
this is a political from duc (an A.hole with a desk in hanoi who doesnt like expats)............. to impres his bosses & the ones who put him were he is
cutting expats salaries....(later on giving bonuses to the locals)........WoW
any ways thats what the agencies say it went on
theres is no paper, no fax, no memo, no Nothing prooving this ever was requested from VNA...........some 4% cut only on pilots salaries....which RAl kindly lets us to pay 1.75%. for just 6 months........what its amazing its that some guys dont seem to give a damn
there is NO...................crisis....there is NO ........ or meltdown or whatever you or they wanna call it
in fact this year alone VNA said they need for all the fleets around 140 pilots
all of this its just an isolated issue from RAL.......which is not over
there could be legal actions later............lets wait
PARC didnt cut theyre skipperīs salaries......they absorbed all
V1 ....rotate
i guess it would be the same kinda feeling
if you find your woman with another man.........dream is over!
that chapter was suposed to be closed (as told by RAL words...on COLD) & in my opinion they ****** up big time later on
the rest of the day by day here is the same, nothing has changed, insurance works fine, etc.
and to all the guys asking why less salary on new f/oīs on DPI or RAL or any of the other agencies ....its very simple
this is a political from duc (an A.hole with a desk in hanoi who doesnt like expats)............. to impres his bosses & the ones who put him were he is
cutting expats salaries....(later on giving bonuses to the locals)........WoW
any ways thats what the agencies say it went on
theres is no paper, no fax, no memo, no Nothing prooving this ever was requested from VNA...........some 4% cut only on pilots salaries....which RAl kindly lets us to pay 1.75%. for just 6 months........what its amazing its that some guys dont seem to give a damn
there is NO...................crisis....there is NO ........ or meltdown or whatever you or they wanna call it
in fact this year alone VNA said they need for all the fleets around 140 pilots
all of this its just an isolated issue from RAL.......which is not over
there could be legal actions later............lets wait
PARC didnt cut theyre skipperīs salaries......they absorbed all
V1 ....rotate
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Where have I heard of, seen and read all this before.....? Airlines or agencies randomly reducing salaries, pilots not sticking together and therefore accepting this kind of treatment?
I know... ALL MY CAREER.
People do the research (so they say) yet still sign with scum like RAL. Their salary is lowered (breach of contract) yet still accept it but have the audacity to complain at the bar. What a brave and proud industry we have created for ourselves when we tolerate this rubbish, what's more, run toward it on occasion. What has happen to you at VAC and RAL has happened because you accepted it. They forced it on you it seems, yet what are you doing about it? (Sorry, thread divergence.)
And I'll guarantee I'll / we'll continue to bear witness to this as long as gravity rules the skies.
GROW SOME BALLS. Or is that asking for integrity, unity and professionalism as an airline pilot?
I know... ALL MY CAREER.
People do the research (so they say) yet still sign with scum like RAL. Their salary is lowered (breach of contract) yet still accept it but have the audacity to complain at the bar. What a brave and proud industry we have created for ourselves when we tolerate this rubbish, what's more, run toward it on occasion. What has happen to you at VAC and RAL has happened because you accepted it. They forced it on you it seems, yet what are you doing about it? (Sorry, thread divergence.)
And I'll guarantee I'll / we'll continue to bear witness to this as long as gravity rules the skies.
GROW SOME BALLS. Or is that asking for integrity, unity and professionalism as an airline pilot?
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Actually PARC refused to accept the VAC paycut as per the contract. They didn't absorb it. They refused to accept it. That is why PARC are not getting any slots.
Maybe i'm wrong,, but the senior RAL representative pilot who earns 1000 a month extra, was in the local paper 18months ago telling the press how wonderful it was here, how everyone is really happy and how all the expats earn over 10 grand a month which is wonderful. blah blah etc etc. Anyway 6 months later we're getting a pay cut.
I was always told to never say life is great because management will take something away. Also to never pay for a type rating or Airline training. It's probably good advice!
It doesn't help if pilots are continually taking in gifts and money to get favours from rostering. It just gives an overall impression of being over here and over paid.
You reap what you sow..
By the way, just for clarity. VAC cut your salary. not RAL. They just accepted it on your behalf.
Maybe i'm wrong,, but the senior RAL representative pilot who earns 1000 a month extra, was in the local paper 18months ago telling the press how wonderful it was here, how everyone is really happy and how all the expats earn over 10 grand a month which is wonderful. blah blah etc etc. Anyway 6 months later we're getting a pay cut.
I was always told to never say life is great because management will take something away. Also to never pay for a type rating or Airline training. It's probably good advice!
It doesn't help if pilots are continually taking in gifts and money to get favours from rostering. It just gives an overall impression of being over here and over paid.
You reap what you sow..
By the way, just for clarity. VAC cut your salary. not RAL. They just accepted it on your behalf.