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Good experience with Wasinc
Hi guys,
I also have a good experience with Wasinc in China. Paid on time, good support. I am realizing, that somebody else could have a bad experience. But I think, that it is necessary to post both good and bad experiences to have the complete picture.
I also have a good experience with Wasinc in China. Paid on time, good support. I am realizing, that somebody else could have a bad experience. But I think, that it is necessary to post both good and bad experiences to have the complete picture.
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China companies versus agency
To go back to the chinese experience. I think, that it is a part of a chinese culture not to honor contracts. They don't seem to be able to follow rules. The longer I live here, the more I realize, that even the hiring agencies cannot do anything about this and are pretty much helpless. Even though I think, that choosing a good agency is important, I think in China is even more important to choose a good company. Because the contract is not so important as their general attitude towards foreign pilots. If they have a bad attitude, they have ways to screw you up even in little things. I also agree with previous posts, that Shenzhen airlines is not the way to go. They seem to be using a simulator as a political tool and it does not matter which agency you are with. On the other hand, if a company has a good attitude, than the experience can be a pleasant one. I am not aware of any good company in China for foreign pilots, except I hear good stuff about Deer Air.
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I think, that it is a part of a Chinese culture not to honor contracts. They don't seem to be able to follow rules.
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Wrong Info
I am from UAE so I know for a fact Bayt.com is not an agency, it is a job site like monster. And the biggest in the Middle East.
The service referred to here is professional CV writing - which is optional and. It is clearly mentioned on the Bayt.com Site that subscribing these services - do not guarantee a job.
I have personally subscribed to these services, they did a great job on my CV.
It seems the person who wrote this mail did not read the deliverables assocated with this service.
Which I may add is not in fine print but in big nold letters.
The service referred to here is professional CV writing - which is optional and. It is clearly mentioned on the Bayt.com Site that subscribing these services - do not guarantee a job.
I have personally subscribed to these services, they did a great job on my CV.
It seems the person who wrote this mail did not read the deliverables assocated with this service.
Which I may add is not in fine print but in big nold letters.
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Beware of VOR Holdings
Fellow Pilots,
This is an update:
Stay Away from China Aviation Recruitment/VOR Holdings/TED....!!!!!!!
I have close friends under contract with VOR and will offer you some good advice, try another agency...!!! They operate under several names, VOR Holdings, China Aviation Recruitment, (forgot the other name) and have a marketing agreement with "Climb to 350". Basically if you log into climb to 350, you will be filtered right into VOR, China Aviation Recruitment, a commission is paid to Climb to 350. Just goes to shall you how slippery these people are not to disclose this marketing agreement. They dont tell the pilots they dont have a chance with other agencies, the resumes are filtered, good applicants go to VOR Holdings, others are sent to the junk file. Just look at the banner ads on Climb to 350", you will see it.
I knew a pilot that had some trouble and needed help, VOR called him up and said they will have him fired and cancel his contract instead of lending a pilot a helping hand. This is a fact, not a story or one with an axe to grind.
I can tell you, they will try to lock you up in China and you will not be able to work for another carrier without VOR for 1 year, maybe more. They will go behind your back and make side deals with the company and tell them what they want to hear that will effect your contract with that carrier. They will make sure the company does not give you a release letter.
I know of a pilot that left a Chinese Airline and Uncle Ted, VOR, China Aiation Recruitment took him to arbitration for leaving without notice. Now they are hunting down the pilot to try and collect 54,000 USD in penalties for legal fees and other charges.
You are WARNED to stay away from this poor agency...!!
Good Luck,
On Final
This is an update:
Stay Away from China Aviation Recruitment/VOR Holdings/TED....!!!!!!!
I have close friends under contract with VOR and will offer you some good advice, try another agency...!!! They operate under several names, VOR Holdings, China Aviation Recruitment, (forgot the other name) and have a marketing agreement with "Climb to 350". Basically if you log into climb to 350, you will be filtered right into VOR, China Aviation Recruitment, a commission is paid to Climb to 350. Just goes to shall you how slippery these people are not to disclose this marketing agreement. They dont tell the pilots they dont have a chance with other agencies, the resumes are filtered, good applicants go to VOR Holdings, others are sent to the junk file. Just look at the banner ads on Climb to 350", you will see it.
I knew a pilot that had some trouble and needed help, VOR called him up and said they will have him fired and cancel his contract instead of lending a pilot a helping hand. This is a fact, not a story or one with an axe to grind.
I can tell you, they will try to lock you up in China and you will not be able to work for another carrier without VOR for 1 year, maybe more. They will go behind your back and make side deals with the company and tell them what they want to hear that will effect your contract with that carrier. They will make sure the company does not give you a release letter.
I know of a pilot that left a Chinese Airline and Uncle Ted, VOR, China Aiation Recruitment took him to arbitration for leaving without notice. Now they are hunting down the pilot to try and collect 54,000 USD in penalties for legal fees and other charges.
You are WARNED to stay away from this poor agency...!!
Good Luck,
On Final
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Warning Hainan Airlines
This is a copy of a post I found from 2008 but goes to show what can happen in China.
Warning: Hainan Airlines & NetCompass
I just want to give you guys a warning about Hainan Airlines (China) and Net Compass crew leasing firm.* Three of us from the USA interviewed at Hainan over 3 months ago for the B767 Captain position. None of us got the job. They promised to reimburse the cost of the airline tickets, but so far it has not happened. Vivian Chen of Net Compass ([email protected]) told us we would get reimbursed by Hainan Air when we got to Beijing. That didn't happen. Every time we have talked to them since that time the Hainan HR representative Adam Liu ([email protected]) has come up with a new excuse or a new requirement for getting reimbursed. We have meticulously complied with every requirement, but they just keep making excuses and telling us it will be two more weeks, maybe another month.** I have a couple friends who started the interview process for the B737 a month prior to us and were hired.* They have been working for the company for 6 weeks (or in training or waiting for their work visa) and they also have still not been reimbursed for their flight tickets, and they tell me they are sure they will not be reimbursed until they are all checked out and flying the line.* The implication is clear that no one gets reimbursed until actually flying the line (And I am wondering if then?).* However, the promise to pay for flight tickets to the interview was definitely NOT contingent up taking the job at Hainan Airlines.* It was clearly stated in both the initial information sheet sent to us by NetCompass and also in personal emails. We were clearly lied to.* The three of us each spent from $1700 to $3,000 that has not been reimbursed as promised.
If you go to the interview, you should not be expecting reimbursement for flight tickets, no matter what they tell you.* And if they will tell you a bold face lie about that, I can't help but wonder what else they will lie about.* Is the contract worth the paper it is written on?* Time will tell, but I doubt it.*
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If you go to the interview, you can expect to do the physical, take the Chinese ATP written (they will give you study materials), and a check ride in the simulator with a company check airman and a CAAC inspector from the Chinese government.* It is a busy check ride as any type rating check ride would be,* just short of about 2 hours in length and multiple failures.* It seems each check ride is different and there is no set profile, but they are big on crosswinds (90 degrees at 35 knots) and multiple system failures.* The CAAC inspector and the Company Check Airman will speak almost no English, and everything will be done through your interpreter Adam Liu.*
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They will put you in a company owned "crew hotel" near the Beijing airport (not open to the public).* It is about a one star hotel.* We spent about 11 days in this place due to the inefficient scheduling of everything.* It is not filthy, but not sparkling clean either, extremely simple with no amenities.* It is well worn, and some rooms have holes in the plaster and water damage.* I found it kind of depressing.* The only towel provided is a small faded hand towel.* Bring your own bath towel.* There is a slow internet connection via Ethernet cord, fast enough for email and painfully slow web browsing but too slow for Skype phone calls.* The ONLY person there whom you will be able to communicate with in English will be the HR representative Adam Liu who also stays in the hotel during flight crew screenings.* No one else speaks English.* We never saw the company headquarters or met any other management people from the company (Headquarters is on Hainan island).* Hainan Air will provide your meals in the employee cafeteria, which is very simple Chinese food.* The hotel is located in a very poor area where the local restaurants are extremely basic Chinese food and there are a few local shops but not much is available.* It is not convenient to public transportation, but you can get a taxi into central Beijing from there for about 10 USD as I recall.* Once in the central part of Beijing, it is an attractive and modern city.* The only thing I really didn't like about Beijing was the obnoxious air pollution.* And be careful; Beijing is known as a city of scams, and you will encounter at least one in your time there.* You can read up on the common ones on one of the travel bulletin boards.
If you are going to pursue the job with Hainan, I would not recommend NetCompass Crew Leasing company. We found them to be less than ideal about responding to emails and giving us helpful information. I have been told that Hainan is working with 4 crew leasing companies, and the only other one that I know of for sure is GPS, or Global Pilot Service (GPSCrew Global Pilot Service Official Site). I am not recommending them, but I do know that the other two guys I mentioned earlier (B737) used this company and seemed to get more personal attention than we did. For instance, we needed to get some documents translated into Chinese. NetCompass just told us to go hire a translator, but GPS went ahead and translated the documents for their guys.
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I'm now working for another overseas airline (that reimbursed my ticket in cash the day after I arrived) and I'm not unhappy I didn't get the job with Hainan.* I just think you guys have a right to know in advance what to expect.*
GoForIt
Warning: Hainan Airlines & NetCompass
I just want to give you guys a warning about Hainan Airlines (China) and Net Compass crew leasing firm.* Three of us from the USA interviewed at Hainan over 3 months ago for the B767 Captain position. None of us got the job. They promised to reimburse the cost of the airline tickets, but so far it has not happened. Vivian Chen of Net Compass ([email protected]) told us we would get reimbursed by Hainan Air when we got to Beijing. That didn't happen. Every time we have talked to them since that time the Hainan HR representative Adam Liu ([email protected]) has come up with a new excuse or a new requirement for getting reimbursed. We have meticulously complied with every requirement, but they just keep making excuses and telling us it will be two more weeks, maybe another month.** I have a couple friends who started the interview process for the B737 a month prior to us and were hired.* They have been working for the company for 6 weeks (or in training or waiting for their work visa) and they also have still not been reimbursed for their flight tickets, and they tell me they are sure they will not be reimbursed until they are all checked out and flying the line.* The implication is clear that no one gets reimbursed until actually flying the line (And I am wondering if then?).* However, the promise to pay for flight tickets to the interview was definitely NOT contingent up taking the job at Hainan Airlines.* It was clearly stated in both the initial information sheet sent to us by NetCompass and also in personal emails. We were clearly lied to.* The three of us each spent from $1700 to $3,000 that has not been reimbursed as promised.
If you go to the interview, you should not be expecting reimbursement for flight tickets, no matter what they tell you.* And if they will tell you a bold face lie about that, I can't help but wonder what else they will lie about.* Is the contract worth the paper it is written on?* Time will tell, but I doubt it.*
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If you go to the interview, you can expect to do the physical, take the Chinese ATP written (they will give you study materials), and a check ride in the simulator with a company check airman and a CAAC inspector from the Chinese government.* It is a busy check ride as any type rating check ride would be,* just short of about 2 hours in length and multiple failures.* It seems each check ride is different and there is no set profile, but they are big on crosswinds (90 degrees at 35 knots) and multiple system failures.* The CAAC inspector and the Company Check Airman will speak almost no English, and everything will be done through your interpreter Adam Liu.*
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They will put you in a company owned "crew hotel" near the Beijing airport (not open to the public).* It is about a one star hotel.* We spent about 11 days in this place due to the inefficient scheduling of everything.* It is not filthy, but not sparkling clean either, extremely simple with no amenities.* It is well worn, and some rooms have holes in the plaster and water damage.* I found it kind of depressing.* The only towel provided is a small faded hand towel.* Bring your own bath towel.* There is a slow internet connection via Ethernet cord, fast enough for email and painfully slow web browsing but too slow for Skype phone calls.* The ONLY person there whom you will be able to communicate with in English will be the HR representative Adam Liu who also stays in the hotel during flight crew screenings.* No one else speaks English.* We never saw the company headquarters or met any other management people from the company (Headquarters is on Hainan island).* Hainan Air will provide your meals in the employee cafeteria, which is very simple Chinese food.* The hotel is located in a very poor area where the local restaurants are extremely basic Chinese food and there are a few local shops but not much is available.* It is not convenient to public transportation, but you can get a taxi into central Beijing from there for about 10 USD as I recall.* Once in the central part of Beijing, it is an attractive and modern city.* The only thing I really didn't like about Beijing was the obnoxious air pollution.* And be careful; Beijing is known as a city of scams, and you will encounter at least one in your time there.* You can read up on the common ones on one of the travel bulletin boards.
If you are going to pursue the job with Hainan, I would not recommend NetCompass Crew Leasing company. We found them to be less than ideal about responding to emails and giving us helpful information. I have been told that Hainan is working with 4 crew leasing companies, and the only other one that I know of for sure is GPS, or Global Pilot Service (GPSCrew Global Pilot Service Official Site). I am not recommending them, but I do know that the other two guys I mentioned earlier (B737) used this company and seemed to get more personal attention than we did. For instance, we needed to get some documents translated into Chinese. NetCompass just told us to go hire a translator, but GPS went ahead and translated the documents for their guys.
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I'm now working for another overseas airline (that reimbursed my ticket in cash the day after I arrived) and I'm not unhappy I didn't get the job with Hainan.* I just think you guys have a right to know in advance what to expect.*
GoForIt
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VOR the Worst Agency In China..!!
Fellow Pilots,
Be careful using VOR losts of contact constraints.
Good Luck,
On Final
Be careful using VOR losts of contact constraints.
Good Luck,
On Final
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Forget About JuneYao
Who ever is thinking to go to JuneYao airlines, DON'T GO THERE
. They don't respect the contract, they don't give you days off. You all will be 4 on and 2 off for the entire contract. Flights are turns but with the ground stop you start at 7:30am and you come back sometimes at 10PM. They don't care about duty limits or flying limits, you always legal to fly. About management, there is one
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r on pilot recruitment call Mr. Lee, that all he does is, how to screw foreign pilots, he is the one will never give you days off, he always will try to cut your salary down and will never approve anything that will be on the pilot side. The company is not organize, you go to any office you will see the whole mess in any desk and even documents on the floor. Pilot recruitment offices are very bad, they will call you any time to go to their office to submit documents and they want you to be there right away, later you get to a point that you don't care anymore. It will take you at least 6 months to see an airplane from the date that you arrived there, they are very slow to process any document. The offices buildings are very dirty, when you come back from flying at night you can see a lot of Rats next to the buildings and at the little parking lot, that fits at the most 20 cars. About fuel bonus they pay that like 4 months behind, if you make numbers it will take 6 months to start flying and the 5 more months to see your first fuel bonus deposit it is 11 months after you start working for them. OK fellows, I can spend all day long talking about JuneYao, but my only advise is, DON'T GO TO JUNEYAO AIRLINES
VERY BAD COMPANY TO WORK FOR.
. They don't respect the contract, they don't give you days off. You all will be 4 on and 2 off for the entire contract. Flights are turns but with the ground stop you start at 7:30am and you come back sometimes at 10PM. They don't care about duty limits or flying limits, you always legal to fly. About management, there is one F
r on pilot recruitment call Mr. Lee, that all he does is, how to screw foreign pilots, he is the one will never give you days off, he always will try to cut your salary down and will never approve anything that will be on the pilot side. The company is not organize, you go to any office you will see the whole mess in any desk and even documents on the floor. Pilot recruitment offices are very bad, they will call you any time to go to their office to submit documents and they want you to be there right away, later you get to a point that you don't care anymore. It will take you at least 6 months to see an airplane from the date that you arrived there, they are very slow to process any document. The offices buildings are very dirty, when you come back from flying at night you can see a lot of Rats next to the buildings and at the little parking lot, that fits at the most 20 cars. About fuel bonus they pay that like 4 months behind, if you make numbers it will take 6 months to start flying and the 5 more months to see your first fuel bonus deposit it is 11 months after you start working for them. OK fellows, I can spend all day long talking about JuneYao, but my only advise is, DON'T GO TO JUNEYAO AIRLINESVERY BAD COMPANY TO WORK FOR.
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If you want to work in China.... for Hainan Airlines
Hello, This is a re-post which you may want to read. Good luck, On Final
Many people ask but seem not to believe so as a Foreign Pilot flying in China I can confirm this!
Now this is for Hainan Airlines (HNA) and are the highest and lowest Financial Penalties to date given to foreigners CPs flying here over the last 3 years! I am confident Schenzen Airlines CPs has similar stories to tell. Would be interesting to hear about the others.
CP Kye - $21800 fine for refusing to pay for his Haikou hotel for 3 weeks in advance during visa renewal. The Company claimed he striked and brought the Agent and HNA into conflict, was fined one month and his bonus, then terminated, no airline ticket home and never saw a penny from the Agent Brookfield.
(Standard practice to pre-pay for hotel when not on flight duty and refunds here take 3-12 months.)
CP Michel - "planned" $10,000 fine for an approach into X'iam where ATC communicated only in chinese and lead to a late go around. He went home for Leave shortly after the investigation (ATC filed) began and before the fine could be taken from his salary, was terminated 4 days later but his $12000 Bonus was never paid by GPS. The CAAC Blacklisted him in all of China for a so called "incident". I believe the Chinese FO was grounded for 6 months and lost his upgrade chance.
CP Song - $6,000 fine for a 2.0G Load landing in Kunming. Taken from his $12000 Bonus. Also his last salary was not paid by Agent Huaxin as he left and went to Schenzen.
CP Michel - $4000 fine for overspeed by 3 kts for 4 sec. Grounded over two months in 2008. Fine taken from $12000 Bonus. Broker did not get involved.
CP Slobidan - $4000 fine for failed a sim check, forced to pay to retake, then later was terminated in Aug. 2010 and never received his $12000 bonus from GPS.
These were the top four most expensive where no damage occurred to the AC and were either ATC created complaints or from the aircrafts QAR system. Again no damage, maybe a Phase 1 Inspection for the KMG landing but that is it!
I would think at least 30 fines have been issued against Foreign Cps since 2008 including below.
CP Luc - $1000 who called in sick as per OM in BRU and then turned off his phone. Replacement CP was given RMB 1000 bonus for accepting his flight.
Hungarian CP 767 - $1000 sleeping thru alarm and arriving late at the aircraft in PEK. No delay occurred!
The most ridiculous were:
Non-foreigner CP related, was a Purser for closing cabin door 1L on the 738 in PEK for departure, but forgot one crew member outside on the Ramp waiting for valuable cargo to be loaded - suspended 3 months (no pay), downgraded to normal CC and lost chance for upgrade from 737 to 330. This was internally dealt with by HNA.
CP Sul RMB 500 fine for not making sure the crew walked in a straight line behind him leaving the a/c walking thru PEK airport. I think at least 4 others followed including Chinese CPs.
Several CPs fined for RMB 500 for not wearing the Hat in the Terminal.
Sadly Chinese Crews Smoking in the crew lounge, crew bus, cockpit, or removing half of the trolleys contents (wine, beer, toiletries, etc.) after the flight = the most serious fine RMB 0!!!!!!!
Being given a "below standard grade" in a surprise sim check, leads to 40% salary fine and you fly the RHS. As in the case with CPs Carl, Avalino and Jean, this has been forced upon then since Sep. 2010. "Agent Brkfield writes "if you do not accept we shall cancel the contract"! There are all still waiting for a sim re-check in 2 weeks MAYBE.
Seems almost all Foreigners here (except new A330 Spanish and the 6x A340 Austrians) swallow everything at HNA they are deducted, UNLIKE the Air China 330 or Air Macau guys - who would never tolerate this.
But - this HNA and as usual when the market kicks in many of us will leave, most likely without Notice making the Expatriat imagine of Foreign Pilots even worse! That's because they have never paid the last salary or bonus to those who gave required Notice.
Standard practice that such fines are listed (including CP name) on the front page of the HNA Intranet Site for ALL to see for several days
Hello, This is a re-post which you may want to read. Good luck, On Final
Many people ask but seem not to believe so as a Foreign Pilot flying in China I can confirm this!
Now this is for Hainan Airlines (HNA) and are the highest and lowest Financial Penalties to date given to foreigners CPs flying here over the last 3 years! I am confident Schenzen Airlines CPs has similar stories to tell. Would be interesting to hear about the others.
CP Kye - $21800 fine for refusing to pay for his Haikou hotel for 3 weeks in advance during visa renewal. The Company claimed he striked and brought the Agent and HNA into conflict, was fined one month and his bonus, then terminated, no airline ticket home and never saw a penny from the Agent Brookfield.
(Standard practice to pre-pay for hotel when not on flight duty and refunds here take 3-12 months.)
CP Michel - "planned" $10,000 fine for an approach into X'iam where ATC communicated only in chinese and lead to a late go around. He went home for Leave shortly after the investigation (ATC filed) began and before the fine could be taken from his salary, was terminated 4 days later but his $12000 Bonus was never paid by GPS. The CAAC Blacklisted him in all of China for a so called "incident". I believe the Chinese FO was grounded for 6 months and lost his upgrade chance.
CP Song - $6,000 fine for a 2.0G Load landing in Kunming. Taken from his $12000 Bonus. Also his last salary was not paid by Agent Huaxin as he left and went to Schenzen.
CP Michel - $4000 fine for overspeed by 3 kts for 4 sec. Grounded over two months in 2008. Fine taken from $12000 Bonus. Broker did not get involved.
CP Slobidan - $4000 fine for failed a sim check, forced to pay to retake, then later was terminated in Aug. 2010 and never received his $12000 bonus from GPS.
These were the top four most expensive where no damage occurred to the AC and were either ATC created complaints or from the aircrafts QAR system. Again no damage, maybe a Phase 1 Inspection for the KMG landing but that is it!
I would think at least 30 fines have been issued against Foreign Cps since 2008 including below.
CP Luc - $1000 who called in sick as per OM in BRU and then turned off his phone. Replacement CP was given RMB 1000 bonus for accepting his flight.
Hungarian CP 767 - $1000 sleeping thru alarm and arriving late at the aircraft in PEK. No delay occurred!
The most ridiculous were:
Non-foreigner CP related, was a Purser for closing cabin door 1L on the 738 in PEK for departure, but forgot one crew member outside on the Ramp waiting for valuable cargo to be loaded - suspended 3 months (no pay), downgraded to normal CC and lost chance for upgrade from 737 to 330. This was internally dealt with by HNA.
CP Sul RMB 500 fine for not making sure the crew walked in a straight line behind him leaving the a/c walking thru PEK airport. I think at least 4 others followed including Chinese CPs.
Several CPs fined for RMB 500 for not wearing the Hat in the Terminal.
Sadly Chinese Crews Smoking in the crew lounge, crew bus, cockpit, or removing half of the trolleys contents (wine, beer, toiletries, etc.) after the flight = the most serious fine RMB 0!!!!!!!
Being given a "below standard grade" in a surprise sim check, leads to 40% salary fine and you fly the RHS. As in the case with CPs Carl, Avalino and Jean, this has been forced upon then since Sep. 2010. "Agent Brkfield writes "if you do not accept we shall cancel the contract"! There are all still waiting for a sim re-check in 2 weeks MAYBE.
Seems almost all Foreigners here (except new A330 Spanish and the 6x A340 Austrians) swallow everything at HNA they are deducted, UNLIKE the Air China 330 or Air Macau guys - who would never tolerate this.
But - this HNA and as usual when the market kicks in many of us will leave, most likely without Notice making the Expatriat imagine of Foreign Pilots even worse! That's because they have never paid the last salary or bonus to those who gave required Notice.
Standard practice that such fines are listed (including CP name) on the front page of the HNA Intranet Site for ALL to see for several days
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Airline Better Business Bureau
Hello ExpressCa,
I like you idea but it might require more energy than I want to donate..hehe. I just try to check PPRUNE to stay tuned with the industry, mainly China. I noticed it is difficult to pull information good and bad for each airline because the many threads. If the Airline Better Business Bureau topic could ever become a place to quickly check before signing the first agency agreement that would be great. If someone wants to put together a voting system, names of airlines etc. go for it..! If you are happy or just pissed make your comments here the rest will take care of itself.
Good luck, On Final
I like you idea but it might require more energy than I want to donate..hehe. I just try to check PPRUNE to stay tuned with the industry, mainly China. I noticed it is difficult to pull information good and bad for each airline because the many threads. If the Airline Better Business Bureau topic could ever become a place to quickly check before signing the first agency agreement that would be great. If someone wants to put together a voting system, names of airlines etc. go for it..! If you are happy or just pissed make your comments here the rest will take care of itself.
Good luck, On Final
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Spring Ailines and Juneyao
Spring and Juneyao share the same common denominator, they are a simili private airline in China. ONE WORD : AVOID!Juneyao is the worst, point blank, you can read all the stories, the fact is nobody represnts them anymore. Not even Vor Holding..that should give you a clue.
As for Spring, they have been hiring expats for the last six months, the main agency ther is aero global or something from Montreal.
They were suppose to have 60 expats, they have about 16, they fired about five and a few quit for all kind of reasons.
The pay is adequate but if you are form USA they will fail you. Once you have failed, you can not find work elsewhere in China. Only one has remined onboard form the USA but did failed his first attempt. Their fail rate for USA is 100% no joke.
If you pass and quite, they will not pay what is due, you will be threatened and intimidated until you give up ( 3 cases).
They don't de-ice as it costs too much, it was flamboyant to see them after three days of snow in Shanghai.
One ex-Air Canada guy has been doing 300 hours plus of line-indoc apparently not good enough for their standards.
Their pilots are generally very weak, jealous and envious. Management is there only for a quick IPO and they don't give a damn about the airline itself.
Spring Chinese pilots striked a few months ago which triggered the expats hiring. It created a very nice atmosphere I am told.
Not all chinese airlines are bad but very few renwew their contracts.
Capital is probably the best out there. I spoke to many of their expats and they seem happy. Sichuan and chengdu are doing a bit more apparently but hope that someone else than VOR holding represents them. The problem ther is not the Airline as much as the agency.
China is not for everyone, one thing for sure, if you are victim of an incident, regardless of the airline, you will be blamed and most probably jailed even if your first officer was at the controls.
To finish it off, Spring averages 3 hard landing a month, my airline in USa has around 900 aircrafts and we are lucky to do ten in a year. I was told that one was a 2.5 gs and they kept operating as if nothing happens. If you are an expat, it would be at least a 10 000$ punishment.
AVOID AVOID AVOID AVOID AVOID AVOID AVOID AVOID AVOID AVOID
