Air Astana contracts not worth the paper they are written on
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Air Astana contracts not worth the paper they are written on
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k you Air Astana, thanks very much for taking away 3 days of my contracted days off, thank you for also cutting my housing allowance so now all that I can afford is a place where I can't even walk outside at night for fear of getting mugged
Anyone considering coming here on contract, think looooong and hard, the newish flight ops management team here are ex delta and appear to only be interested in screwing over pilots who are half a world away from family and loved ones.
Don't expect any support from your contract agency, they will merely pass on the unilateral change to your quality of life.
A mass exodus appears to be very very close, and with better contracts now becoming available elsewhere, particularly with those who commute, Air Astana could well find a few Airbuses parked for lack of crews.
Nice job T.N. all you need to do is show a little interest in your contractors, and get your rostering department to start thinking for once and roster us more efficiently, then you would achieve the savings (or your bonus) that you are after, and have the added bonus of retaining expensive to recruit and train pilots.
Never mind I suppose, what do you care
k you Air Astana, thanks very much for taking away 3 days of my contracted days off, thank you for also cutting my housing allowance so now all that I can afford is a place where I can't even walk outside at night for fear of getting muggedAnyone considering coming here on contract, think looooong and hard, the newish flight ops management team here are ex delta and appear to only be interested in screwing over pilots who are half a world away from family and loved ones.
Don't expect any support from your contract agency, they will merely pass on the unilateral change to your quality of life.
A mass exodus appears to be very very close, and with better contracts now becoming available elsewhere, particularly with those who commute, Air Astana could well find a few Airbuses parked for lack of crews.
Nice job T.N. all you need to do is show a little interest in your contractors, and get your rostering department to start thinking for once and roster us more efficiently, then you would achieve the savings (or your bonus) that you are after, and have the added bonus of retaining expensive to recruit and train pilots.
Never mind I suppose, what do you care
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Glue Ball, I think the poster is trying to bring to light an unfair situation that has evolved from some fundamental changes in Air Astana. I believe this forum serves well in exposing malpractice in some airlines, introduced by people with poor man management skills, who would be better employed serving the community, instead of selfishly thinking only of themselves..
These airlines deserve bad publicity if indeed they are shafting their employees..and there was me thinking it was an Italian phenomena "Tutto Il mondo E un Paese"!!
These airlines deserve bad publicity if indeed they are shafting their employees..and there was me thinking it was an Italian phenomena "Tutto Il mondo E un Paese"!!
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Air Astana
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I think many pilots have been thinking about flying for Air Astana. Lets try to get more information in details so all of us can take advantage of this information.
The worst thing in the World is when pilots make a move to a new airline around the World, spends the time, money and energy and the agents and airline allow the contract to be broken.
If pilots put the truthful word out soon the airline will have a hard time recreuiting pilots. Example. Korean Air 777 program when (6) highly qualified 777 (many check airmen) were terminated from employment while in training, Qatar Air (many issues read PPRUNE) and others Airlines along with their agents. It makes a diefference what we put here on PPRUNE...!!!
Who is your agent that is not standing behind the contract?
What are the details on the contract violations?
Is Air Astana direct entry or do they use an agent?
How about general contract information, pay, housing, days off, bonus etc?
Good Luck,
On Final
I think many pilots have been thinking about flying for Air Astana. Lets try to get more information in details so all of us can take advantage of this information.
The worst thing in the World is when pilots make a move to a new airline around the World, spends the time, money and energy and the agents and airline allow the contract to be broken.
If pilots put the truthful word out soon the airline will have a hard time recreuiting pilots. Example. Korean Air 777 program when (6) highly qualified 777 (many check airmen) were terminated from employment while in training, Qatar Air (many issues read PPRUNE) and others Airlines along with their agents. It makes a diefference what we put here on PPRUNE...!!!
Who is your agent that is not standing behind the contract?
What are the details on the contract violations?
Is Air Astana direct entry or do they use an agent?
How about general contract information, pay, housing, days off, bonus etc?
Good Luck,
On Final
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I'm not going to go into specifics, nor am I going to expand on what I've already said.
All that I ask is that all those looking at coming here realise that the contract you sign means nothing.
All that I ask is that all those looking at coming here realise that the contract you sign means nothing.
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I think you should tell us which contractor does not back you up, this is the goal of Pprune; Yes, so we are strong. Bad airlines will have problems recruiting: example: Qatar Airways. They hate pprune because it says the truth, how bad they are;
Good to know Air Astana is
I considered a time going there on the A320; now I will avoid; But which is your contractor?
Parc? Direct? Rishworth? Tell it, they have to improve and help you!
Good to know Air Astana is
I considered a time going there on the A320; now I will avoid; But which is your contractor?Parc? Direct? Rishworth? Tell it, they have to improve and help you!
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FBW390, either you are foolish or ignorant, 30 seconds worth of research will show you that there are several agencies that provide contract pilots here in Kazakhstan. All of them as far as I am aware have merely passed on these changes to contracts with little or no support.
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well said THR Idle....
take it easy angryinastana..... a lot of people spoke a lot about indigo as well sometimes. they had acute shortage of pilots in 2008 and none of the guys could go home for christmas. very angry comments. 2009-more aircraft more flights, everyone who wanted to go home for the holidays went....
maybe a few things that can be worked out... and if there are real issues maybe you should enlighten everyone instead of calling them foolish and ignorant
take it easy angryinastana..... a lot of people spoke a lot about indigo as well sometimes. they had acute shortage of pilots in 2008 and none of the guys could go home for christmas. very angry comments. 2009-more aircraft more flights, everyone who wanted to go home for the holidays went....
maybe a few things that can be worked out... and if there are real issues maybe you should enlighten everyone instead of calling them foolish and ignorant
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Hey Angryinastana, don't take it out on FBW390
You're the rocket scientist that signed in the first place !!!
You're the rocket scientist that signed in the first place !!!
take it easy angryinastana..... a lot of people spoke a lot about indigo as well sometimes. they had acute shortage of pilots in 2008 and none of the guys could go home for christmas. very angry comments. 2009-more aircraft more flights, everyone who wanted to go home for the holidays went....
How about some you go back and actually READ what I've posted..rather than posting B1tchy comments from the sidelines...oh but I forgot, it doesn't affect you...
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Angry; If your attitude to your employer is the same as your attitude to your colleagues on this forum, I am not surprised you are having a few issues. Give specific information and you will get a sympathetic hearing. Behave like a spoiled child and expect to be treated like one.
Rocket science it is not.
Rocket science it is not.
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Thanks toothpick, for those sage words of advice, perhaps you would also like to read my first post?
Just having a look at it myself, there are AT LEAST 4 specific and pertinent pieces of information in that post, moreover I have also suggested that a 30 second search (it took me 15 seconds) via a well known search engine...and hey presto! there are the agencies who do all the recruitment.
I'm afraid I can't help to improve the understanding of those who are either too lazy, too stupid, or just blatantly antagonistic when it comes to giving people information about flying on contract here in Kazakhstan.
The clue is in the title of the thread for godness sake.....or is childish to think that way?
Just having a look at it myself, there are AT LEAST 4 specific and pertinent pieces of information in that post, moreover I have also suggested that a 30 second search (it took me 15 seconds) via a well known search engine...and hey presto! there are the agencies who do all the recruitment.
I'm afraid I can't help to improve the understanding of those who are either too lazy, too stupid, or just blatantly antagonistic when it comes to giving people information about flying on contract here in Kazakhstan.
The clue is in the title of the thread for godness sake.....or is childish to think that way?
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Not the full picture
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I don't think you have given the true picture with your post. As I understand our current contract remains as is, i.e our off days are not reduced. The reduction will only be for new contracts and contract renewals.
So if you don't want to renew on the new terms then it is your choice.
There are many of the foreign pilots who a very happy here at Air Astana, I'm not too sure that your exodus that you predict will take place. Losing 10 days out of 90 days, spread over a year is really not significant but the choice is yours.
I don't think you have given the true picture with your post. As I understand our current contract remains as is, i.e our off days are not reduced. The reduction will only be for new contracts and contract renewals.
So if you don't want to renew on the new terms then it is your choice.
There are many of the foreign pilots who a very happy here at Air Astana, I'm not too sure that your exodus that you predict will take place. Losing 10 days out of 90 days, spread over a year is really not significant but the choice is yours.
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Crikey mate - wind your neck in, if you dont like it the 901 departs back for the UK on saturday at 14:05.....
Nothing has really changed, other than a slight reduction in housing allowance, and maybe 3 odd days off out of an entire roster - nothing dire or major, certainly not life changing
If you will rent an top notch, high rise, penthouse apartment ( as you do and you know it.... and I know it too
), live in the Petroleum club or Esperanza or have a account at Guns-n-roses then yes the KZT14K per month reduction will hit home....... for those without an FX converter thats around 60 quid a month
And you are right, this isn't Emirats or Etihod, BA or CX, you are with an airline who has made it through the financial crisis without scathing cuts, and we've come out the other side smiling and financially secure.... more aircraft on order, excellent pilot recruitment and great company to work for ( except for ONE unhappy individual )
Nothing has really changed, other than a slight reduction in housing allowance, and maybe 3 odd days off out of an entire roster - nothing dire or major, certainly not life changing
If you will rent an top notch, high rise, penthouse apartment ( as you do and you know it.... and I know it too
), live in the Petroleum club or Esperanza or have a account at Guns-n-roses then yes the KZT14K per month reduction will hit home....... for those without an FX converter thats around 60 quid a monthAnd you are right, this isn't Emirats or Etihod, BA or CX, you are with an airline who has made it through the financial crisis without scathing cuts, and we've come out the other side smiling and financially secure.... more aircraft on order, excellent pilot recruitment and great company to work for ( except for ONE unhappy individual )
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Rumour has it that an Expat has walked off a flight before it was due to leave as the local captain refused to de-ice a heavily iced wing. No news on the Local, but I guess the expat will have their pay docked and will get fired.
This place just gets better and better.
This place just gets better and better.
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If true, I support his walkoff, but poor CRM between them to disagree to such an extent
Probably got something to do with a forgot to order deicing fluid and asked centre 1 not to deice if at all necessary.... just a rumour but damn scary if true
Probably got something to do with a forgot to order deicing fluid and asked centre 1 not to deice if at all necessary.... just a rumour but damn scary if true