Indonesian Aviation

[rustam]

Dear fellow pilot.

I will only say one thing to you:
Forget about Susi Air.
There are much better companies to work for in Indonesia.

[training wheels]

Originally Posted by rustam

Dear fellow pilot.

I will only say one thing to you:
Forget about Susi Air.
There are much better companies to work for in Indonesia.

And which companies would they be? Do they hire foreign, low time, expat pilots?

[PK-KAR]

Zlin,
We have another topics on Susi Air... why not read there...
http://www.pprune.org/south-asia-far...-susi-air.html

Massey

I for one am very happy that SBY got re-elected and Megawati was shunned.

She shunned herself mate... SBY's 1st inauguration she refused to attend, the 2nd one, she failed to turn up as well...

[rustam]

Hi training wheels

Try the following:

Travira
Premiair
Airfast

[aseanaero]

What happened to all the aeroclubs and flying groups that used to be around Jakarta ?

It seems the only active group now is FASI Pondok Cabe (gliders) , I've never seen any of the FASI aircraft at Halim move.

[GBV]

Indonesian plane skids off runway

JAKARTA, Dec. 13 (Xinhua) --

A Boeing 737-400 plane operated by Indonesian budget airline, Lion Air, skidded off the runway when it landed in Pekanbaru airport, Sumatra, Sunday, local media reported.

The report said that the plane's gear passed off the runway and ended up at the tip of the airport's runway at around 15:00 local time.
It made passengers panic and disrupted flights in and out the Pekanbaru airport for hours. Many planes delayed their flight schedules. It took one hour to evacuate 165 passengers from the plane, the report said.
"We ban the pilot, M. Novan, from continuing his flight duty on Sunday and order Lion Air to undertake internal audit on the plane, aborted all of the plane's flights schedule until we have received the report on the audit result," Transportation Ministry Spokesperson Bambang Ervan was quoted by the Detik.com as saying.

Plane landing mishaps were frequently reported recently. Earlier this month, a Fokker 100 plane operated by Merpati Nusantara airlines landed with incomplete landing gear in East Nusantenggara province airport that disrupted all flights in the airport.

Indonesian plane skids off runway_English_Xinhua

[migair54]

ATR pilots

Hello all

I have been trying to contact some airlines in Indonesia to ask for ATR F/O vacancies but I couldn´t get any answer

Do you know any airline there who needs ATR pilots??

Is it a good idea to go there and try to find by my own or they don´t do it??

[brasmelzuit]

I hope it'll help, airline in Indonesia with ATR fleets are:
1. IAT (Indonesia Air Transport)
2, Trigana Air
3. Kal-Star
4. Wings Air (not yet, but soon)
5. Merpati Nusantara (not yet, but soon)

You might want to consider Firefly or MASWings in Malaysia as ATR operator.

[the wizard of auz]

This is one of the miracles of Indonesia , just when everything is spiralling out of control and disaster seems imminent it all clicks at once and the job gets done.

That was exactly my experiance whilst flying in Indonesia as well. Just about every time I was about to give up, it all came together.

[aseanaero]

Hi Oz,

Yes and it doesn't do too good for your stress levels !

The only good thing about the chaos (unclear processes, process changes from week to week, parts substitution and unlogged component changes blah blah) from a business sense is being based locally it keeps the offshore based competition away from buying and supplying aircraft and components.

The downside of this is a PK registered aircraft will sell for 30% to 50% less than the same aircraft in a developed country which adds more cost to the operator when wanting to sell or upgrade aircraft, missing 10% ir 20% of logbooks and other crucial paperwork is common.

A previous poster summed it up , DISCIPLINE , logbooks are the worst many of my overseas buyers have seen. Exceptions are some of the business jet operators which are generally very good.

We bought a JT8D last year that supposedly had 18 cycles to go , we recalculated hours and cycles since the last overhaul and found that it still had 1,268 cycles to go ! And we've also found engines that have had errors putting them into negative cycles or hours , not on purpose , just sloppy maths.

I always wonder how non english speaking engineers (and there are a lot of them) make sense of a maintenance manual that even a native english speaker has to read some parts 3 times to understand the manual writers techno-babble.

[aseanaero]

Anyone know whether this classic still flies?

It hadn't flown for about 7 years.

Mid 2009 it was moved to Cengkareng airport and now sits as a monument freshly painted up in early Garuda colors in front of the Garuda Maintenance Facility (GMF) , they did the whole project in less than a month including moving it and it looks stunning with it's polished engine cowls.

[brasmelzuit]

this is how it looks like now..
http://http://www.airliners.net/photo/Garuda-Indonesia/Douglas-C-47A-Skytrain/1572689/L/&rurl=translate.google.co.id&anno=2&usg=ALkJrhigLVhHnJE1Hzow h-TFvJbqvF-Y1g

[aseanaero]

It's a grainy photo , it looks much better in reality

[PK-KAR]

1. IAT (Indonesia Air Transport)
2, Trigana Air
3. Kal-Star
4. Wings Air (not yet, but soon)
5. Merpati Nusantara (not yet, but soon)

IAT's ATR42-500 is now with Gatari... as far as I know, they're not recruiting.
Trigana is a "funny bunch"
Kal-Star is a fun job if you like 10 - 15 mins ground stops with 1/2hr fligths... and countless cycles a day!

We bought a JT8D last year that supposedly had 18 cycles to go , we recalculated hours and cycles since the last overhaul and found that it still had 1,268 cycles to go ! And we've also found engines that have had errors putting them into negative cycles or hours , not on purpose , just sloppy maths.

I guess that wouldn't surprise you if I tell you we found at least 2 airframes that lost 8000 cycles and hours a year in "sloppy logbooks"... yes the plane aged in reality, but the paperwork keeps the planes young! *puke*

I always wonder how non english speaking engineers (and there are a lot of them) make sense of a maintenance manual that even a native english speaker has to read some parts 3 times to understand the manual writers techno-babble.

Oh boy, don't get me started on that one!!!!!

The C-47, sad story, the airframe was still "airworthy-able" when they chopped it and sent it to Garuda HQ, well, Airfast had no DC-3 or C-47 qualified pilots. (almost) No one preserves anything old in flying condition here, we're throwing our aviation history away from the ramps into gate guardians all the bloody time.

[aseanaero]

No one preserves anything old in flying condition here, we're throwing our aviation history away from the ramps into gate guardians all the bloody time.

The DC-3 was worse than it looked , all the control surfaces needed to be recovered and some corrosion.

I look at all the FASI aircraft sitting there at Halim (Beech T34As, Bravos etc) and the 2 Harvards on the airbase side of Halim and they are rotting into the ground and it's sad, most of them are getting beyond the point of being able to be made airworthy again.

[training wheels]

Wings Air ATRs

Any idea when the Wings Air ATRs will be delivered? There are pics of it on Airliner.net and the press releases say they'll be here by year's end. Well, that's only a few weeks away. So have they been delivered yet?

Photos: ATR ATR-72-500 (ATR-72-212A) Aircraft Pictures | Airliners.net

Photos: ATR ATR-72-500 (ATR-72-212A) Aircraft Pictures | Airliners.net

[PK-KAR]

Aseanaero, I was told by an airfast engineer that the Dak was airworthy up to 2002 when the company gave up keeping it airworthy since they haven't had a pilot for it since 2001. Geez, time flies!

[aseanaero]

I made an offer to buy the C-47 and I spent a few hours going over it , I believe it would have been airworthy in 2001/2002 but in mid 2008 it needed engines and props overhauled, ailerons and elevators recovered and a couple of patches of corrosion patched up , and that was what was visible.

The 2 FASI Daks are not looking too flash either , one is now a basket case and the other is borderline. I think these are the last 2 C-47s in Indo ?

I looked at the DGCA records and there was once 175 C-47s on the indonesian register and 4 DC-6s !

[GBV]

Any idea when the Wings Air ATRs will be delivered?

First one is already in Indonesia, PK-WFH.

It is said that Manado will be the main hub for Wings Air. They have plans to build a hangar and a training center at Sam Ratulangi airport. Even an ATR42/72 simulator is on the schedule.

[aseanaero]

Su-26 Pk-sdm

Anyone know the story behind this SU-26 PK-SDM photographed in Bandung (year unknown) and what it was doing in Indonesia ?

I found an entry in the Indonesian register showing it was a 1996 model but there is no record of it being re-exported.

I read somewhere on the DGCA website that an SU-26 crashed in the Sunda Strait but can't find any further details so it must have happened a while ago, I'm guessing it was the same aircraft as it looks like only one SU-26 made it down here.

Was it a demonstrator aircraft for a tender or project or a bit of weekend fun for someone ?


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