KOREAN AIRLINES - 10 days ON & 8 OFF policy
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B777 Rating
Hi frozenpilot,
just in case you´re looking for a B777 Type Rating Partner, let me know. I passed the screening and I´m going for NTR B777 at KAL.
Regards
woldo
just in case you´re looking for a B777 Type Rating Partner, let me know. I passed the screening and I´m going for NTR B777 at KAL.
Regards
woldo
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Morning,
Thanks for the posts. To be honest I dont know if I can be bothered going through another rating with no certainty at the end. My plan for 3 years is to not loose the house, hopefully keep in favour with the missus (ie commuting contract) and then return to the Airline I currently work for as we will be offered right of returns. But hey, Im flexible if command came up with Korean on a 737 that would be great.
For those of you on the contract (particularly 73 drivers) can you advise what a typical roster is like? How many sectors you do? routes. Also can anyone confirm the per diem's are on top of the package value, as the contract company states total package value, then discusses per diem, which is obviously a variable so surely is not included in the package value?? I would also really appreciate any info on the interview, PM's welcome!
Thanks for the advice!
Walso, thanks for your post, if becomes relevant will contact you.
Thanks for the posts. To be honest I dont know if I can be bothered going through another rating with no certainty at the end. My plan for 3 years is to not loose the house, hopefully keep in favour with the missus (ie commuting contract) and then return to the Airline I currently work for as we will be offered right of returns. But hey, Im flexible if command came up with Korean on a 737 that would be great.
For those of you on the contract (particularly 73 drivers) can you advise what a typical roster is like? How many sectors you do? routes. Also can anyone confirm the per diem's are on top of the package value, as the contract company states total package value, then discusses per diem, which is obviously a variable so surely is not included in the package value?? I would also really appreciate any info on the interview, PM's welcome!
Thanks for the advice!
Walso, thanks for your post, if becomes relevant will contact you.
The SEARCH function is your friend...
Briefly, after being checked to line you will be in Seoul 18(ish) days per month and you will fly about 5 ON followed by 1 OFF in a repetitive cycle.
If you get a lot of domestics you will do a max. of 4 sectors per day (plus maybe 1 positioning). If you get a lot of SE Asia sectors then it's 2 sectors over 3 days. Normally the rosters are a mixture of domestics and Internationals and I reckon I average about 25 sectors a month.
Per diems are in addition to the salary offered by your agency.
There will be frogs doing fractions before you get an upgrade. 
For those of you on the contract (particularly 73 drivers) can you advise what a typical roster is like?
How many sectors you do?
Also can anyone confirm the per diem's are on top of the package value, as the contract company states total package value, then discusses per diem, which is obviously a variable so surely is not included in the package value??
But hey, Im flexible if command came up with Korean on a 737 that would be great.
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KAL options 3 & 4
Hi BW,
Sorry for the late reply, hope this will enlighten some of the dilemmas that you may have. Option 3 & 4 as they call them are available providing there are sufficient number of pilots willing to participate in the program. Think it is 6… It works, people involved are quite happy, though the options depend on the type of the aircraft operating the base. KAL changes the type, seasonally, and that affects the program.
It is an option at the end but it is offered when and if available…
For the option you are operating to and back from home base (AKL….). If you are not in option than you operate the original pattern 9+2 plus the days for commuting and you are DH home in that case. That leaves you with option to travel somewhere else… You do not have to go home. Instead you may take yours somebody to holidays to some of the KAL destinations…
Training wise, yes there were dropouts, unusually high for the profile and experience but… KAL puts you on the 4 flights (8 sectors) for you to prove that you have adopted required SOP and policies. That’s all. You do not have much time to play around, the sooner you call the checklist proper names and give the required callouts you’re a winner. People are failing to recognize this, especially those who spent their entire carrier in one establishment. The name of the game is “do as you’re told”…
Here is the letter from scheduling received sometimes in May...
Dear Foreign Pilot
- We receive new day off program (OPTION3 and 4) applicant for foreign crew members from JUL ~ SEP 2009.
Please apply when the base below apply to you. It shall be effective when the minimum number of crew apply.
(If there are too many applicants, the applicants who apply for 3 months shall be assigned preferentially)
- Applicable base
B744 : LAX,ORD,CDG,LHR,FCO,FRA,LAX,AMS,VIE,SYD
B777 : DFW,YYZ,CAI,AKL,PRG,GRU,SVO, LAX, YVR-SEA
A330 : SYD,LED,KUL
- Crew members who are interested shall apply through mail to Mr.---- writing request by 10JUN.
We will try our best for you to stay at your home base on those days.
Days off which were requested before shall be deleted when it"s newly applied this time.
=========== Basic information Home base program ===============
option 3 option 4
LAYOVER 168 HR (7 days local) 192HR (8 days local)
Assignment 12 times every 6 months 11 times every 6 months
DO COUNT 5 days 6 days
Pattern length 9 days 10 days
- No perdiem, no Hotel when arriving at home base (exceptionally, hotel is provided on arrival day/departure day only for flight crews whose home is far.)
- If you want to stay special day request : we consider it"s possible , no guarantee.
- All Days off and Leaves can be counted and reflected at the end of the year.
Good Luck...KAL contract is still the best commuting contract available...
Sorry for the late reply, hope this will enlighten some of the dilemmas that you may have. Option 3 & 4 as they call them are available providing there are sufficient number of pilots willing to participate in the program. Think it is 6… It works, people involved are quite happy, though the options depend on the type of the aircraft operating the base. KAL changes the type, seasonally, and that affects the program.
It is an option at the end but it is offered when and if available…
For the option you are operating to and back from home base (AKL….). If you are not in option than you operate the original pattern 9+2 plus the days for commuting and you are DH home in that case. That leaves you with option to travel somewhere else… You do not have to go home. Instead you may take yours somebody to holidays to some of the KAL destinations…
Training wise, yes there were dropouts, unusually high for the profile and experience but… KAL puts you on the 4 flights (8 sectors) for you to prove that you have adopted required SOP and policies. That’s all. You do not have much time to play around, the sooner you call the checklist proper names and give the required callouts you’re a winner. People are failing to recognize this, especially those who spent their entire carrier in one establishment. The name of the game is “do as you’re told”…
Here is the letter from scheduling received sometimes in May...
Dear Foreign Pilot
- We receive new day off program (OPTION3 and 4) applicant for foreign crew members from JUL ~ SEP 2009.
Please apply when the base below apply to you. It shall be effective when the minimum number of crew apply.
(If there are too many applicants, the applicants who apply for 3 months shall be assigned preferentially)
- Applicable base
B744 : LAX,ORD,CDG,LHR,FCO,FRA,LAX,AMS,VIE,SYD
B777 : DFW,YYZ,CAI,AKL,PRG,GRU,SVO, LAX, YVR-SEA
A330 : SYD,LED,KUL
- Crew members who are interested shall apply through mail to Mr.---- writing request by 10JUN.
We will try our best for you to stay at your home base on those days.
Days off which were requested before shall be deleted when it"s newly applied this time.
=========== Basic information Home base program ===============
option 3 option 4
LAYOVER 168 HR (7 days local) 192HR (8 days local)
Assignment 12 times every 6 months 11 times every 6 months
DO COUNT 5 days 6 days
Pattern length 9 days 10 days
- No perdiem, no Hotel when arriving at home base (exceptionally, hotel is provided on arrival day/departure day only for flight crews whose home is far.)
- If you want to stay special day request : we consider it"s possible , no guarantee.
- All Days off and Leaves can be counted and reflected at the end of the year.
Good Luck...KAL contract is still the best commuting contract available...
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Thanks! brave heart
Thank you very much, brave heart ! Most of the users here in this forum are quite negative about everything. They seem to be the same like the usual complainers here on PP. It´s really good to read something like your PM. Thanks for that good news!
! Most of the users here in this forum are quite negative about everything. They seem to be the same like the usual complainers here on PP. It´s really good to read something like your PM. Thanks for that good news!
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Thank you very much, brave heart ! Most of the users here in this forum are quite negative about everything. They seem to be the same like the usual complainers here on PP. It´s really good to read something like your PM. Thanks for that good news!
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Best commuting Contract
It is indeed the best commuting contract if ............
...... you make it thru training,
...... you are not under the radar,
...... you do not expect a upgrade,
I have seen many Guy´s burned out after a while, not because of the hours they fly or the sectors they do. Work is far off the limits, US and EU Operators are using the Crews more effective and up to the peak. You need a protective shield and "fit into the system" then you can state: It is the best, f**k the rest of all the sick and tired wannabee operators who promise you a commute and would like to place you in the cargo-hold if they could. You do not have to beg for a seat in KAL when you commute, it is there for you, no doubt. You have your money on time. There is other significant pain you have to bear with, can you stand it? then welcome to the Club. If you have doubts or a too big Ego then do not leave your present Job for a question mark. 6 out of 7 got chopped, 2 our of 4 did not survive the training. I cannot remember the past few years where the majority made it thru the training.
Again it is the best commuting Job, but why does KAL look permanently for Pilots? The Target is 800... And the screening is one of a kind as well. So think carefully and consider option if it get´s worse, be prepared and it may pay off as the best Job you ever had, keep home and commute. Have the Family and Kid´s (if you have one) where they are used to be.
It is not meant to be negative but open Your eyes and your senses and do not turn a blind eye towards the facts what the people state.
Fly safe and land Happy
NG
...... you make it thru training,
...... you are not under the radar,
...... you do not expect a upgrade,
I have seen many Guy´s burned out after a while, not because of the hours they fly or the sectors they do. Work is far off the limits, US and EU Operators are using the Crews more effective and up to the peak. You need a protective shield and "fit into the system" then you can state: It is the best, f**k the rest of all the sick and tired wannabee operators who promise you a commute and would like to place you in the cargo-hold if they could. You do not have to beg for a seat in KAL when you commute, it is there for you, no doubt. You have your money on time. There is other significant pain you have to bear with, can you stand it? then welcome to the Club. If you have doubts or a too big Ego then do not leave your present Job for a question mark. 6 out of 7 got chopped, 2 our of 4 did not survive the training. I cannot remember the past few years where the majority made it thru the training.
Again it is the best commuting Job, but why does KAL look permanently for Pilots? The Target is 800... And the screening is one of a kind as well. So think carefully and consider option if it get´s worse, be prepared and it may pay off as the best Job you ever had, keep home and commute. Have the Family and Kid´s (if you have one) where they are used to be.
It is not meant to be negative but open Your eyes and your senses and do not turn a blind eye towards the facts what the people state.
Fly safe and land Happy
NG
