174 Indian pilots get jobs meant for expats
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@WIKI44, @shanx
Technically you guys are right. The CAR did exist since 1999. However it was so useless, that when in Aug 2009 DGCA finally did decide to revise it, they did not find use for even a single page from the old CAR.
The previous CAR simply said " FATA shall be issued to ....." and "all ratings valid on foreign license will be ratified as such".
Nothing about experience, exams or any such thing.
Everything was open for own interpretation, and many rules were "bended" as such.
Technically you guys are right. The CAR did exist since 1999. However it was so useless, that when in Aug 2009 DGCA finally did decide to revise it, they did not find use for even a single page from the old CAR.
The previous CAR simply said " FATA shall be issued to ....." and "all ratings valid on foreign license will be ratified as such".
Nothing about experience, exams or any such thing.
Everything was open for own interpretation, and many rules were "bended" as such.
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I know a few guys in this position. Honestly, I don't see anything unfair about it. On the one hand they get a so-called "expat" contract. While on the other hand they are just a contract employee, therefore no job security. Sounds like a fair trade.
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hey guys.........
just got the news from india some guys wit nice political connections who cant even clear the philippines CPL exams are flying B200 wit expat commanders ......
sadly i dont have any political daddy and i did my traning from PHILIPPINES.....
even with 1100++ hrs tt 700++hrs twin no one wants to even look at my resume......
my DGCA papers are cleared first shot.. but they are useless as no ones hiring me....
and the whole thing about FATA, i spoke wit some senior expat and indian commanders they say it doesnt matter wether u have the indain lic or not just you should know how to fly your A/C and fly safe... thats the whole point ....
I am flying in fish cargo in MANILA ... i flew wit couple of INDIAN guys who hav DGCA lic ...for 10 degree hdg correction they use 30 degree bank
and when we had an engine failure he was complete blackout.....
its just your skills that matter while flying not your lic
They just say proudly we have Ind CPL ... but in flying they are worst than guys with philippines CPL....I know philippines has a bad name for training and logging and all the other stuff.....
But there are some people who know their stuff very welll.....
BR
stone
just got the news from india some guys wit nice political connections who cant even clear the philippines CPL exams are flying B200 wit expat commanders ......
sadly i dont have any political daddy and i did my traning from PHILIPPINES.....
even with 1100++ hrs tt 700++hrs twin no one wants to even look at my resume......
my DGCA papers are cleared first shot.. but they are useless as no ones hiring me....
and the whole thing about FATA, i spoke wit some senior expat and indian commanders they say it doesnt matter wether u have the indain lic or not just you should know how to fly your A/C and fly safe... thats the whole point ....
I am flying in fish cargo in MANILA ... i flew wit couple of INDIAN guys who hav DGCA lic ...for 10 degree hdg correction they use 30 degree bank
and when we had an engine failure he was complete blackout.....
its just your skills that matter while flying not your lic
They just say proudly we have Ind CPL ... but in flying they are worst than guys with philippines CPL....I know philippines has a bad name for training and logging and all the other stuff.....
But there are some people who know their stuff very welll.....
BR
stone
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hey guys.........
just got the news from india some guys wit nice political connections who cant even clear the philippines CPL exams are flying B200 wit expat commanders ......
sadly i dont have any political daddy and i did my traning from PHILIPPINES.....
even with 1100++ hrs tt 700++hrs twin no one wants to even look at my resume......
my DGCA papers are cleared first shot.. but they are useless as no ones hiring me....
and the whole thing about FATA, i spoke wit some senior expat and indian commanders they say it doesnt matter wether u have the indain lic or not just you should know how to fly your A/C and fly safe... thats the whole point ....
I am flying in fish cargo in MANILA ... i flew wit couple of INDIAN guys who hav DGCA lic ...for 10 degree hdg correction they use 30 degree bank
and when we had an engine failure he was complete blackout.....
its just your skills that matter while flying not your lic
They just say proudly we have Ind CPL ... but in flying they are worst than guys with philippines CPL....I know philippines has a bad name for training and logging and all the other stuff.....
But there are some people who know their stuff very welll.....
BR
stone
just got the news from india some guys wit nice political connections who cant even clear the philippines CPL exams are flying B200 wit expat commanders ......
sadly i dont have any political daddy and i did my traning from PHILIPPINES.....
even with 1100++ hrs tt 700++hrs twin no one wants to even look at my resume......
my DGCA papers are cleared first shot.. but they are useless as no ones hiring me....
and the whole thing about FATA, i spoke wit some senior expat and indian commanders they say it doesnt matter wether u have the indain lic or not just you should know how to fly your A/C and fly safe... thats the whole point ....
I am flying in fish cargo in MANILA ... i flew wit couple of INDIAN guys who hav DGCA lic ...for 10 degree hdg correction they use 30 degree bank
and when we had an engine failure he was complete blackout.....
its just your skills that matter while flying not your lic
They just say proudly we have Ind CPL ... but in flying they are worst than guys with philippines CPL....I know philippines has a bad name for training and logging and all the other stuff.....
But there are some people who know their stuff very welll.....
BR
stone
Having been an instructor and now an airline pilot i ll tell u the preference
the airlines give for hiring is:
JAA CPL + INDIAN CPL = Numero Uno.
FAA/Canadian CPL + .. = 2nd Option.
ICAO CPL (From developed countries)
+ Indian CPL = 3rd Option.
Guys who got trained in
India itself = 4th and Final Option.
Though I know there might be some really good pilots from where you are..
Phillipines CPL is a Big No for most of the Airlines..
May be if u get ur ATPL u might stand a chance..
Believe me or not when I had gone for the airline interview
in those days.. The very first thing done was send a lot of
phillipines CPL guys back in the first round itself..
Its Shocking but its the truth ..
So ATPL is the only way forward for you ..
Best Wishes !
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thanks mate.....
just wanted to ask you as the ATPL requirements in india and pilippines are different like night time its around 100 in philippines and in india its around 500 i think not sure.....
any chances that airline start hiring in near future....
i am asking you coz you are sitting in the airline..........
plus does it make a big difference if I have any type ratings coz its very expensive to take one and to maintain the recency.....
BR
stone
just wanted to ask you as the ATPL requirements in india and pilippines are different like night time its around 100 in philippines and in india its around 500 i think not sure.....
any chances that airline start hiring in near future....
i am asking you coz you are sitting in the airline..........
plus does it make a big difference if I have any type ratings coz its very expensive to take one and to maintain the recency.....
BR
stone
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Philippines CPL
IndAir967 wrote:
"Though I know there might be some really good pilots from where you are..
Phillipines CPL is a Big No for most of the Airlines..
May be if u get ur ATPL u might stand a chance..
Believe me or not when I had gone for the airline interview
in those days.. The very first thing done was send a lot of
phillipines CPL guys back in the first round itself..
Its Shocking but its the truth .."
There are a couple dozen schools in the Philippines that specialize in "training" Indian students. They are all fly-by-night outfits that certify much more flying time than the students actually fly. Students typically fly about 100-120 hours for their CPL/IR. Also, solo flight outside the traffic pattern is prohibited by these schools. Students on "solo cross-country" flights must fly with a "safety pilot" who may or may not be a licensed instructor.
Students are introduced to the schools by Indian agents who take a substantial cut of the tuition as a commission. The schools pay part of the remaining tuition to corrupt local officials who turn a blind eye to what has obviously been going on for years.
An agent approached the owner of a large pilot school in the Clark Freeport Zone and offered to bring in "as many students as you can handle" in exchange of USD3,000 per student to be deducted from the tuition paid by their sponsors. The owner refused saying he would be unable to complete their training below actual cost. The agent said quite candidly that the students did not actually have to fly all of the required hours. Everything had been "pre-arranged" all the way to the DGAC.
The agent even proudly told the owner, "If you think you Filipinos are corrupt, you are nothing compared to us!"
Yikes!
So that particular school is not on the Indian gravy train that has made many other pilot school owners into multi-millionaires. They have perhaps a dozen or fewer Indian students who did not go through agents. That school has more than 100 students from all over the world so it's not hurting.
Pity the poor students who now hold Philippine CPLs that are next to worthless. Then again I've flown with graduates of US-FAA Part 141 schools who had a hard time finding their a*se with two hands. So the problem isn't localized in any particular place. Levels of competence, corruption, and greed vary widely/wildly around the globe.
"Though I know there might be some really good pilots from where you are..
Phillipines CPL is a Big No for most of the Airlines..
May be if u get ur ATPL u might stand a chance..
Believe me or not when I had gone for the airline interview
in those days.. The very first thing done was send a lot of
phillipines CPL guys back in the first round itself..
Its Shocking but its the truth .."
There are a couple dozen schools in the Philippines that specialize in "training" Indian students. They are all fly-by-night outfits that certify much more flying time than the students actually fly. Students typically fly about 100-120 hours for their CPL/IR. Also, solo flight outside the traffic pattern is prohibited by these schools. Students on "solo cross-country" flights must fly with a "safety pilot" who may or may not be a licensed instructor.
Students are introduced to the schools by Indian agents who take a substantial cut of the tuition as a commission. The schools pay part of the remaining tuition to corrupt local officials who turn a blind eye to what has obviously been going on for years.
An agent approached the owner of a large pilot school in the Clark Freeport Zone and offered to bring in "as many students as you can handle" in exchange of USD3,000 per student to be deducted from the tuition paid by their sponsors. The owner refused saying he would be unable to complete their training below actual cost. The agent said quite candidly that the students did not actually have to fly all of the required hours. Everything had been "pre-arranged" all the way to the DGAC.
The agent even proudly told the owner, "If you think you Filipinos are corrupt, you are nothing compared to us!"
Yikes!
So that particular school is not on the Indian gravy train that has made many other pilot school owners into multi-millionaires. They have perhaps a dozen or fewer Indian students who did not go through agents. That school has more than 100 students from all over the world so it's not hurting.
Pity the poor students who now hold Philippine CPLs that are next to worthless. Then again I've flown with graduates of US-FAA Part 141 schools who had a hard time finding their a*se with two hands. So the problem isn't localized in any particular place. Levels of competence, corruption, and greed vary widely/wildly around the globe.
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@MD 0.78
thats very much true what you said..........
I can consider myself lucky in that senario I paid additional to compensate for the agent commission. also the commission is more than $3k...
BR
stone
I can consider myself lucky in that senario I paid additional to compensate for the agent commission. also the commission is more than $3k...
BR
stone
