Vietnam Airlines Foreign Pilot Assaulted
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no i am not.
to clarify it once more, the meaning of flying as a contract pilot in asia, middle east, africa........... is that you are foreign workforce, going to be made redundant, as soon as locals can take your position or the company is downsizing like in singapore.
same with upgradings, you could be the most qualified and experienced f/o on your fleet, if there is any local much less qualified than you but having the required hours for upgrading, he will bypass you.
if you have troubles like mentioned in this thread you are going to be the looser in the majority of cases.
if you like it or not, that's the reality
to clarify it once more, the meaning of flying as a contract pilot in asia, middle east, africa........... is that you are foreign workforce, going to be made redundant, as soon as locals can take your position or the company is downsizing like in singapore.
same with upgradings, you could be the most qualified and experienced f/o on your fleet, if there is any local much less qualified than you but having the required hours for upgrading, he will bypass you.
if you have troubles like mentioned in this thread you are going to be the looser in the majority of cases.
if you like it or not, that's the reality
Last edited by mach 84; 7th Oct 2009 at 05:29.
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Mach, I've been following this thread with a bit of interest. I can sense some anger and displeasure here. You might have some good points, but generalizing ALL contract jobs is NOT an accurate way to approach this subject. Having several friends working in Japan, the ME and Asia, I will have to say that most are "fairly" happy. And definitely happier than at the previous employers. After all it depends on the country, the agency and the airline itself. But also on how YOU as a pilot conduct yourself.
To me this is the most bizarre statement I have ever read. Coming from a legacy carrier to were I am at now is like finding out that you are a descendant of a king and did not know it. Royalty baby! There is NO comparison, NONE whatsoever on how we are treated here by management, co-workers, paxs and even locals. I could list specifics but... Oh well....
From being just another Bus driver, treated like crap starting from the TSA, most F\A's, MX personnel, and specially upper management, to being the Commander of the AC. Respect and admiration is only the beginning. But like I said, it must start with YOU acting and behaving like one. And also being at the right place with the right attitude!
Peace!
as a pilot you might have a higher qualification, but in reality as a contract pilot you are in the same level as a indonesian maid in singapore, pakistani worker in the emirates, north african in france......................
From being just another Bus driver, treated like crap starting from the TSA, most F\A's, MX personnel, and specially upper management, to being the Commander of the AC. Respect and admiration is only the beginning. But like I said, it must start with YOU acting and behaving like one. And also being at the right place with the right attitude!
Peace!
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i gotta give a bit of credit to the phrase/statement of mach
in many ways...........if not all
we are ALL...... an undesirable need
thats it
like in singapore, japan , many places & now also look in india
theyre saying little by little good bye to the expat force
just keeping what they really need (TRE's & TRI's) for a while
im here like a vast mayority of the guys here
for the money.............& the number of days off etc. etc.
nothing else................
no one will tell you that they truly love this garbage dump
well.............maybe a few bunch REALLY loves it here
but coping with the ones that run this circus
Little dwarfs thinking they're "giants"
ask the guys with the latest Fu&^ ups
on the 777 for example last week
nothing will hapen to them.........
if an expat does that ...........well
Torquemada & his inquisition will wait for you big time
they dont take into consideration expats at all
thay have they regular meetings without calling any foreign
whats the excuse?..........lack of english by the locals
& the meeting is held in vietnamese................
so pls get real..............some of you
if not about the money you come here
well ok ill give it 2 you..............the chicks are fine
good excuse!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
in many ways...........if not all
we are ALL...... an undesirable need
thats it
like in singapore, japan , many places & now also look in india
theyre saying little by little good bye to the expat force
just keeping what they really need (TRE's & TRI's) for a while
im here like a vast mayority of the guys here
for the money.............& the number of days off etc. etc.
nothing else................
no one will tell you that they truly love this garbage dump
well.............maybe a few bunch REALLY loves it here
but coping with the ones that run this circus
Little dwarfs thinking they're "giants"
ask the guys with the latest Fu&^ ups
on the 777 for example last week
nothing will hapen to them.........
if an expat does that ...........well
Torquemada & his inquisition will wait for you big time
they dont take into consideration expats at all
thay have they regular meetings without calling any foreign
whats the excuse?..........lack of english by the locals
& the meeting is held in vietnamese................
so pls get real..............some of you
if not about the money you come here
well ok ill give it 2 you..............the chicks are fine
good excuse!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Not the first g/f that got it from the gooks...
One of our TRE's g/f was dragged for several meters by her gold chain way back in 1996. The assailants were on a bike and they tried to snatch the gold on the go. Fortunately or maybe not so (because her neck was severely bruised) the f$$ks didn't get it... This happened on the main road to the apt, not even 100 m from a police station.
Bring back the tunnel rats and the B-52s!
If you need volunteers for the B-52s - PM me pls!!!
P.S. I can't fit in the tunnels, sorry. Been there...
One of our TRE's g/f was dragged for several meters by her gold chain way back in 1996. The assailants were on a bike and they tried to snatch the gold on the go. Fortunately or maybe not so (because her neck was severely bruised) the f$$ks didn't get it... This happened on the main road to the apt, not even 100 m from a police station.
Bring back the tunnel rats and the B-52s!
If you need volunteers for the B-52s - PM me pls!!!
P.S. I can't fit in the tunnels, sorry. Been there...
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just my five cents in this story
I would like to bring to your attention another version of the story, heard from Vietnamese pilot.
“There were some water patches on the road after rain while the expat guy was driving his motorbike. The car splashed water on him when passed by. This irritated that guy and he started honking, gesturing and dangerous maneuvering near the car. Eventually they collided. The American guy came up to the car and kicked the driver`s door. When he saw 3 men getting off the car he fled to the crew division. The Vietnamese FO followed him (he had already realized that the motorbike driver was one of the pilots), the other two guys left at the accident scene and came later. FO tried to start talking to the expat pilot but he smashed FO twice into his face and even knocked him down…”
…Everybody knows the finish of the story…
I`m very sorry for what happened to the American guy and I believe the truth lies somewhere in the middle.
“There were some water patches on the road after rain while the expat guy was driving his motorbike. The car splashed water on him when passed by. This irritated that guy and he started honking, gesturing and dangerous maneuvering near the car. Eventually they collided. The American guy came up to the car and kicked the driver`s door. When he saw 3 men getting off the car he fled to the crew division. The Vietnamese FO followed him (he had already realized that the motorbike driver was one of the pilots), the other two guys left at the accident scene and came later. FO tried to start talking to the expat pilot but he smashed FO twice into his face and even knocked him down…”
…Everybody knows the finish of the story…
I`m very sorry for what happened to the American guy and I believe the truth lies somewhere in the middle.
