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@ POWERSTALL:
This is what i am disgusted about. and was the main topic for me to start the post.
This is what i had said about the FOz and theres nothing that im hating or not liking of them getting the job in their time and not me. im just saying a thing. and i didnt say 'I AM' .. i said "some may". neither did i say im some god gift to aviation.
About the six figure salary. i get that in INR and thats a four figure salary in $$$'z so buying a king air etc is outta the question and anyways i am also representing other people here so what i earn doesn't really matter.
When we think or just talk of flying Jets/turbo Props, People like you make us feel like we're some hungry beggers standing on the roadside looking at your shiny Mercedes waiting for you to open that window and throw some coins at us.
Youre just a human like all others so lets make this world a little more PEACEFUL by removing the Angst and Rudeness.
Im just feeling so sad for the First officer who flies with you, are you as rude with him too?
I fail to understand why are the Unemployed CPL Holders made to feel like junk in discussions
Just because we went out to train, doesnt make all of us lousy. Some may be way better than the F/o'z of today in airlines.
About the six figure salary. i get that in INR and thats a four figure salary in $$$'z so buying a king air etc is outta the question and anyways i am also representing other people here so what i earn doesn't really matter.
When we think or just talk of flying Jets/turbo Props, People like you make us feel like we're some hungry beggers standing on the roadside looking at your shiny Mercedes waiting for you to open that window and throw some coins at us.
Youre just a human like all others so lets make this world a little more PEACEFUL by removing the Angst and Rudeness.
Im just feeling so sad for the First officer who flies with you, are you as rude with him too?
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Why is it when everything is explained to you VERY CLEARLY, you guys find it offensive? Is it because, it's not the answer you want to hear? Or is it because what i have stated are facts and you can't accept them? You asked and you got served.
Your arrogance and attitude towards aviation will never get you anywhere. A lot of us here had odd jobs before working for the airlines. I too had a time when i had no job. But, i kept on instead of whining.
That is called dedication......
Aviation in itself is very different from the medical field. We can not just say i spent this much money and expect so so much in return. There are a lot of guys here who spent thousands of dollars for their OWN type rating and even when they are in the majors, they are still paying off this debt. Some of us may be on top now but later on, we can be at the very bottom....
And please do spare me the drama when flying. I've spent time with some of you there. And some of them are humble and eager to learn but there are those who think they're better than the rest, but when it came to crunch time.... blew it big time.... just like the BAe ATP that flew for an orange colored courier company.
Now, if you're gonna bash me with that cheap line about being rude. this is an open forum every bloke is entitled to his own opinion.... How can i be rude if i just told you facts?
Why is it when everything is explained to you VERY CLEARLY, you guys find it offensive? Is it because, it's not the answer you want to hear? Or is it because what i have stated are facts and you can't accept them? You asked and you got served.
Your arrogance and attitude towards aviation will never get you anywhere. A lot of us here had odd jobs before working for the airlines. I too had a time when i had no job. But, i kept on instead of whining.
That is called dedication......
Aviation in itself is very different from the medical field. We can not just say i spent this much money and expect so so much in return. There are a lot of guys here who spent thousands of dollars for their OWN type rating and even when they are in the majors, they are still paying off this debt. Some of us may be on top now but later on, we can be at the very bottom....
And please do spare me the drama when flying. I've spent time with some of you there. And some of them are humble and eager to learn but there are those who think they're better than the rest, but when it came to crunch time.... blew it big time.... just like the BAe ATP that flew for an orange colored courier company.
Now, if you're gonna bash me with that cheap line about being rude. this is an open forum every bloke is entitled to his own opinion.... How can i be rude if i just told you facts?
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gentlemen,,, i really dont know where this thing came up ,,,, that we guys with fresh cpl`s think ,,,we are owed jobs and deserve to fly a 737 or a 320 straight out,,, we r willing to work for it just as hard as any 1 before us has,,,,,,
but the fact remains that in india things r not as structured as in the western countries where u get oppurtunities to build your hours on single engine ac`s and graduating step by step,,,building a 1000hrs workin on ur atpl etc ,, as some 1 pointed out it is either the moon or u get nothing at all,,, thats y ppl had to go to other countries to get there licenses,,, had there been good flying clubs in the country,,, there would be jobs as instructors and as a result people get to build hrs,,
i have not got a flyin job so far ,,,,,,, so i started working with an airline in operations just to be in and around the industry and pay my bills
and 1 more thing we may have low hours ,,,,and have a lot to learn but in all dat we have done so far we have done are very best,,, and we are not cribbing for jobs we will earn them
and yeah sure as hell we can do single engine landings on a multi engine
plus ndb vor approaches etc,,,, i did my instument rating in vancouver in december,,, i was right btw vancouver abbotsford n victoria,,, and all of em r international airports,,, so it was not easy,, plus any 1 who has flown in vancouver in the winters will tell you wat the weather is like,
to all the experienced gentlemen out there, we have a lot to learn from you,, so please dont put us down,,, we are not looking for a gravy train, hell i`d be happy flying a c 152 /172 as long as i get to fly
but the fact remains that in india things r not as structured as in the western countries where u get oppurtunities to build your hours on single engine ac`s and graduating step by step,,,building a 1000hrs workin on ur atpl etc ,, as some 1 pointed out it is either the moon or u get nothing at all,,, thats y ppl had to go to other countries to get there licenses,,, had there been good flying clubs in the country,,, there would be jobs as instructors and as a result people get to build hrs,,
i have not got a flyin job so far ,,,,,,, so i started working with an airline in operations just to be in and around the industry and pay my bills
and 1 more thing we may have low hours ,,,,and have a lot to learn but in all dat we have done so far we have done are very best,,, and we are not cribbing for jobs we will earn them
and yeah sure as hell we can do single engine landings on a multi engine
plus ndb vor approaches etc,,,, i did my instument rating in vancouver in december,,, i was right btw vancouver abbotsford n victoria,,, and all of em r international airports,,, so it was not easy,, plus any 1 who has flown in vancouver in the winters will tell you wat the weather is like,
to all the experienced gentlemen out there, we have a lot to learn from you,, so please dont put us down,,, we are not looking for a gravy train, hell i`d be happy flying a c 152 /172 as long as i get to fly
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For those who are hassled by guitar boy's post pls. don't pull out all stops on sarcasm and rubbish Indian low hours cpl holders for having a bad attitude, and the arrogance to dare to dream of a jet rhs seat, just because it was not possible for you. That I would say, show extreme bad attitude and arrogance, also a lack of understanding of the Indian and Asian Aviation scene generally, from your side.
I understand that you had earn it the hard way flying 1500 hours to get the ATPL by working as a cfi or in GA , as that was what was expected of you after the initial cpl, which could be partly due to the regional airlines minimum requirement. Also that you had to bite the bullet for years when there were no jobs going around. I would have written some words of encouragement then.
Many reputable European, and Asian airlines did adopt the policy of hiring 200 hrs wonder, so expectations were different earlier for cpl holders from India, Singapore, Thailand, Malaysia, and many countries in Europe where 200-250 hours cpl holders do actally get the rhs seats.
Some countries in SE Asia will not issue an an ATPL if you have never flown on an a/c where a two member crew operation is required.
If your countries' and airlines policies are different, it could be partly because there are a lot of GA and an oversupply of qualified pilots. I don't think I have to bring up history to explain as to why that is in certain countries and not in some.
If you want to debate whether an FAA, JAR, CASA, DGCA, DCA, 250 hours type rated cpl holder should be anywhere near the rhs seat, go ahead and start a new thread on it(Indian and asian students trained in different countries)....or if you feel strongly about it, take it up with the management of the airlines and the countries aviation authorities.
And for those who want to thrash wannabes just for the heck of it, you can also start a thread, as per one of the wannabes ppruner's quote " die wannabes... die"
... some quote 98% of local pilots do so and so, liberally with no empirical evidence whatsover...why not just make it 100%...
Really appreciate those that posted some kind and encouraging words or made an attempt to be in an indian cpl holder's shoes, kevinsky18, I like.
GA flying opportunities for fresh cpl holders in India and many Asian countries simply doesn't exist, neither do ASSISTANT FI jobs for anyone with less than 200 p.i.c time. FI p.i.c time , and GA p.i.c time requirements are a lot higher.
I believe guitarboy knows there was no guarantee of a job when he embarked on the cpl course, he was trying to point out the govt's and the civil aviation ministry's lack of planning and proper strategy in aviation in the past, and the present. Also the lack of basics like proper flight schools, promotion of GA, and the presence of outdated policies like the unnecessary high hire time requirements. both for assistant FI, and FI, even flying the 172 in a simple GA operaton would require ridiculous pic time.
guitarboy also hinted at how a few of the present F.O's got their licenses and jobs--not an entirely unfounded remark judging some corruptions in certain flight schools and the DGCA that was uncovered a couple of years back.
It is true that many low hours cpl holders have the education, the experience and the resources to do other things. However, there are no low priced fbo's (like in the u.s) to go to for a flight in India while working in non aviation fields, no GA outfit doors to knock......some of the cpl holders simply miss flying...and I don't mean as a passenger.
I understand that you had earn it the hard way flying 1500 hours to get the ATPL by working as a cfi or in GA , as that was what was expected of you after the initial cpl, which could be partly due to the regional airlines minimum requirement. Also that you had to bite the bullet for years when there were no jobs going around. I would have written some words of encouragement then.
Many reputable European, and Asian airlines did adopt the policy of hiring 200 hrs wonder, so expectations were different earlier for cpl holders from India, Singapore, Thailand, Malaysia, and many countries in Europe where 200-250 hours cpl holders do actally get the rhs seats.
Some countries in SE Asia will not issue an an ATPL if you have never flown on an a/c where a two member crew operation is required.
If your countries' and airlines policies are different, it could be partly because there are a lot of GA and an oversupply of qualified pilots. I don't think I have to bring up history to explain as to why that is in certain countries and not in some.
If you want to debate whether an FAA, JAR, CASA, DGCA, DCA, 250 hours type rated cpl holder should be anywhere near the rhs seat, go ahead and start a new thread on it(Indian and asian students trained in different countries)....or if you feel strongly about it, take it up with the management of the airlines and the countries aviation authorities.
And for those who want to thrash wannabes just for the heck of it, you can also start a thread, as per one of the wannabes ppruner's quote " die wannabes... die"
... some quote 98% of local pilots do so and so, liberally with no empirical evidence whatsover...why not just make it 100%...
Really appreciate those that posted some kind and encouraging words or made an attempt to be in an indian cpl holder's shoes, kevinsky18, I like.
GA flying opportunities for fresh cpl holders in India and many Asian countries simply doesn't exist, neither do ASSISTANT FI jobs for anyone with less than 200 p.i.c time. FI p.i.c time , and GA p.i.c time requirements are a lot higher.
I believe guitarboy knows there was no guarantee of a job when he embarked on the cpl course, he was trying to point out the govt's and the civil aviation ministry's lack of planning and proper strategy in aviation in the past, and the present. Also the lack of basics like proper flight schools, promotion of GA, and the presence of outdated policies like the unnecessary high hire time requirements. both for assistant FI, and FI, even flying the 172 in a simple GA operaton would require ridiculous pic time.
guitarboy also hinted at how a few of the present F.O's got their licenses and jobs--not an entirely unfounded remark judging some corruptions in certain flight schools and the DGCA that was uncovered a couple of years back.
It is true that many low hours cpl holders have the education, the experience and the resources to do other things. However, there are no low priced fbo's (like in the u.s) to go to for a flight in India while working in non aviation fields, no GA outfit doors to knock......some of the cpl holders simply miss flying...and I don't mean as a passenger.
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I 'm glad this post is bringing out something...last time i tried a similar post for advices it ended up with how to avoid yogurt on your tie in cockpit advices 
. I enjoyed it though.
There were pretty Nice & Encouraging ones as well ...Loved the one by TOP UP
anyways... as a low timer myself...i dont dont mind the bashing as long im learning...besides i dont take it personally either....so keep it coming ..... Give it your best..
. I enjoyed it though. There were pretty Nice & Encouraging ones as well ...Loved the one by TOP UP
anyways... as a low timer myself...i dont dont mind the bashing as long im learning...besides i dont take it personally either....so keep it coming ..... Give it your best..
It is the general attitude of Pilots in India.
Yes, they think they are superior. They are better people.
Right now I share a huge appartment with an Indian pilot and our two tekkies.
Don't ask...
Well, this git told the management and me that he feels the company should rent another flat for the technicians. WE are superior and he feels he should not have to share with subordinates.
I gave him the proper speech of course but he has two ears.
He listens but he does not have the intelligence to understand.
Right after landing he leaves for the hotel, the tekki has to take care of the aircraft.
You think he would help?
He yells at the tekki "I am hungry, why didn't you get me some fruits"?
But the real biggie is:
We have customers (Indian) who do not want to fly with Indian pilots.
They are highly UNprofessional being nosy, talking to the customer, asking favours, listening to their conversations, giving out their business card, asking questions like "how much did you pay for this trip" etc. , etc, pp.
The customers specifically ask for the "foreign" pilot.
Add to that that he can't fly straight and level.He gives a **** about engine parameters, headings, altitudes, you name it.
With more than 2500 hours one is not really a beginner...
Rant over.
Yes, they think they are superior. They are better people.
Right now I share a huge appartment with an Indian pilot and our two tekkies.
Don't ask...
Well, this git told the management and me that he feels the company should rent another flat for the technicians. WE are superior and he feels he should not have to share with subordinates.
I gave him the proper speech of course but he has two ears.
He listens but he does not have the intelligence to understand.
Right after landing he leaves for the hotel, the tekki has to take care of the aircraft.
You think he would help?
He yells at the tekki "I am hungry, why didn't you get me some fruits"?
But the real biggie is:
We have customers (Indian) who do not want to fly with Indian pilots.
They are highly UNprofessional being nosy, talking to the customer, asking favours, listening to their conversations, giving out their business card, asking questions like "how much did you pay for this trip" etc. , etc, pp.
The customers specifically ask for the "foreign" pilot.
Add to that that he can't fly straight and level.He gives a **** about engine parameters, headings, altitudes, you name it.
With more than 2500 hours one is not really a beginner...
Rant over.
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@ GOODGRIEF : why dont you let the management know that, its for the management to take care of such things and not other pilots and techies.
I double What SHANX said on this page of the thread. Theres a huge amount of work to be done by the management to solve this ego / superiority complex / following the sop's / knowing everything in & out / problem.
I feel sad to say that i think they are waiting for a disaster to happen to even think of starting this..things in india is such and most of us cant help it.
well such is life dearies.
@ COCOCHANEL : Thanks for helpin me out here.. some people just made everything look out of proportion.
@jahaj_crash : well i got the bashing too, but with every good advice i get, i throw the bashing behind.
I double What SHANX said on this page of the thread. Theres a huge amount of work to be done by the management to solve this ego / superiority complex / following the sop's / knowing everything in & out / problem.
I feel sad to say that i think they are waiting for a disaster to happen to even think of starting this..things in india is such and most of us cant help it.
well such is life dearies.
@ COCOCHANEL : Thanks for helpin me out here.. some people just made everything look out of proportion.
@jahaj_crash : well i got the bashing too, but with every good advice i get, i throw the bashing behind.
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Gents.... So, after all the back-slapping and to & fro-ing of posts, which one of you is going to get in the car and bang down the door of every GA / piston operator to go and fly?
No one is "BASHING" wannabe's or low timers. That does not make sense as we have all been there. What some people are ""bashing is the attitude of the low timers and wannabe's on this forum. And, it seems no matter what is written or advice given here, none of you are willing, for example, to go and fly a light piston in the interim.
You are still sitting on your tails and expecting the jet job to land in your laps.
Ghuman 07: Please, when next you post write in ENGLISH. I tried reading your post but the headache became unbearable.
No one is "BASHING" wannabe's or low timers. That does not make sense as we have all been there. What some people are ""bashing is the attitude of the low timers and wannabe's on this forum. And, it seems no matter what is written or advice given here, none of you are willing, for example, to go and fly a light piston in the interim.
You are still sitting on your tails and expecting the jet job to land in your laps.
Ghuman 07: Please, when next you post write in ENGLISH. I tried reading your post but the headache became unbearable.
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Greetings Fellas,
Unemployment, is equally bad in all spheres of life and it does not know countries and continents.
I'll pick up on people one at a time. Lets see how it goes.
Guitar Boy - You asked for Advise. Got bashed up. Used to it by now I guess.
I'll come to the advice at the end of my post. Rest of your post was fairly accurate to my belief.
Powerstall - Guitar Boy Said
You proved it with your reply.
Top Tup, I have always shared your views. I'd follow your advice this time as well. But I shall differ a bit.
Kevinsky18,Gauravprakash007,Vimd23,shanx, skaios, itsbrokenagain, ghuman07 ,cocochanel, great bits. Thanks for that.
@ GoodGrief, What would happen if the Techie slapped the Pilot ?
And you are referring to the 2500 Hour Experienced Boeing / Airbus Pilot not being able to fly straight and level. DGCA wants you to be replaced by them. I don't even know whom to pity. Them, Me ,You or the Pax.
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I have questions.
1. Has any one noticed there is practically not even Single Wannabe question regarding India on this website.
2. Expats who are flying in India, How many times have you come across a GA or a Training Flight while Flying in and out of Airports and Airspaces here ?
Ans - (Couldn't help answering this one) Please do not ask me to go to GA / Instructor positions. There are none for a 200 Hr wonder like me. (Now tell me am arrogant and don't want to do the searching).
3. Every time there is a discussion on this forum, Its a group of 15 - 20 People involved in it (This post has been different because many like to bash up Newbies.) who are Either Unemployed or are expats who have flown or are flying here.Bash each other. Sometimes Help each other.
There are some exceptions, but majority of the guys who fly airlines are too busy I guess.
4. Ryan Air is been taking JAA 200 Hour Wonders who pay for Type for some time. Even now when there are many more experienced guys available. Source being the Ryan Air thread in the Jobs for Newbies.
Even they are bashed up in a similar fashion. So its always been a trend to Bash. Isn't it ?
There are about 3000 Unemployed CPL Holders and I have no idea how many in the process. Last week there were more than thousand guys on the DGCA computer Number list. Are there going to be jobs for all of us ? I don't know.
Are all of us going to stick in the Aviation Field, I do not think so. Vimd23 gives first hand experience.
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I could be a god's Gift to aviation. Heck I'd be god myself but wouldn't be able to get past the Bureaucracy.
I have attitude, but one which is completely toppled .
I do not have advice for people. But I will tell you what I am going to do.
Some one suggested that we take up Jobs related to aviation and stay in touch with flying.
But my question is, We learn everyday, agreed. But will being a Ground Staff who earns 15000 INR / 300 $ learn so much as to move his / hers way up in the Company ?
Not in INDIA.
I'd rather do something which is Not related to aviation but pays me more (considering one is qualified for the same) and then Save so I can buy my way (Type Rating) into the Airline while the Fellow Ground Staffer CPL's tries to request the people he KNOWS in the Airline when the Industry does come up with vacancies.
Ones that are only HSC (10+2), get yourself a degree. Will help. And please not the "BBA (Flying)" from Dibrugarh.
What a Muck.
So much for Advice.
Some one posted that a Chipmunk could be trained to fly a A320. I say, the Chimp will be bloody better at it !
Fly Safe.
Silent.
Unemployment, is equally bad in all spheres of life and it does not know countries and continents.
I'll pick up on people one at a time. Lets see how it goes.
Guitar Boy - You asked for Advise. Got bashed up. Used to it by now I guess.
I'll come to the advice at the end of my post. Rest of your post was fairly accurate to my belief.
Powerstall - Guitar Boy Said
.....Just because we went out to train, doesn't make all of us lousy. Some may be way better than the F/o'z of today in airlines....
Top Tup, I have always shared your views. I'd follow your advice this time as well. But I shall differ a bit.
Kevinsky18,Gauravprakash007,Vimd23,shanx, skaios, itsbrokenagain, ghuman07 ,cocochanel, great bits. Thanks for that.
@ GoodGrief, What would happen if the Techie slapped the Pilot ?
And you are referring to the 2500 Hour Experienced Boeing / Airbus Pilot not being able to fly straight and level. DGCA wants you to be replaced by them. I don't even know whom to pity. Them, Me ,You or the Pax.
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I have questions.
1. Has any one noticed there is practically not even Single Wannabe question regarding India on this website.
2. Expats who are flying in India, How many times have you come across a GA or a Training Flight while Flying in and out of Airports and Airspaces here ?
Ans - (Couldn't help answering this one) Please do not ask me to go to GA / Instructor positions. There are none for a 200 Hr wonder like me. (Now tell me am arrogant and don't want to do the searching).
3. Every time there is a discussion on this forum, Its a group of 15 - 20 People involved in it (This post has been different because many like to bash up Newbies.) who are Either Unemployed or are expats who have flown or are flying here.Bash each other. Sometimes Help each other.
There are some exceptions, but majority of the guys who fly airlines are too busy I guess.
4. Ryan Air is been taking JAA 200 Hour Wonders who pay for Type for some time. Even now when there are many more experienced guys available. Source being the Ryan Air thread in the Jobs for Newbies.
Even they are bashed up in a similar fashion. So its always been a trend to Bash. Isn't it ?
There are about 3000 Unemployed CPL Holders and I have no idea how many in the process. Last week there were more than thousand guys on the DGCA computer Number list. Are there going to be jobs for all of us ? I don't know.
Are all of us going to stick in the Aviation Field, I do not think so. Vimd23 gives first hand experience.
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I could be a god's Gift to aviation. Heck I'd be god myself but wouldn't be able to get past the Bureaucracy.
I have attitude, but one which is completely toppled .
I do not have advice for people. But I will tell you what I am going to do.
Some one suggested that we take up Jobs related to aviation and stay in touch with flying.
But my question is, We learn everyday, agreed. But will being a Ground Staff who earns 15000 INR / 300 $ learn so much as to move his / hers way up in the Company ?
Not in INDIA.
I'd rather do something which is Not related to aviation but pays me more (considering one is qualified for the same) and then Save so I can buy my way (Type Rating) into the Airline while the Fellow Ground Staffer CPL's tries to request the people he KNOWS in the Airline when the Industry does come up with vacancies.
Ones that are only HSC (10+2), get yourself a degree. Will help. And please not the "BBA (Flying)" from Dibrugarh.
What a Muck.
So much for Advice.
Some one posted that a Chipmunk could be trained to fly a A320. I say, the Chimp will be bloody better at it !
Fly Safe.
Silent.
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So.... a "newbie / wannabe" posts to either ask for advice or comment on a situation. The advice or comments are returned by those with many, many years of (international) airline experience and the GA scene from numerous countries as well as with knowedge AND experience of the Indian aviation industry yet no matter what is offered you all seem to know better.
To comment on a post about RyanAir hiring 200 hr CPL pilots, yes they have and do. BUT (and I AM SO SICK OF POSTING THE SAME THING!) they have in place world respected training systems and monitoring procedures. NOT so in India. FACT. That makes ALL the difference. Please do not pass comment on this as you are yet to have the credentials or experience to do so.
If not a job flying in GA why not AT LEAST your ATP / ATPL subjects?
As I do so often in dealing with Indian aviation, I stop when the head hurts too much from striking the brick wall. That's me done with this thread.
SEE YA! Yep... You "newbies and wannabes" in time will get that jet job and the cycle of deteriorating standards will go on and on and on......
To comment on a post about RyanAir hiring 200 hr CPL pilots, yes they have and do. BUT (and I AM SO SICK OF POSTING THE SAME THING!) they have in place world respected training systems and monitoring procedures. NOT so in India. FACT. That makes ALL the difference. Please do not pass comment on this as you are yet to have the credentials or experience to do so.
If not a job flying in GA why not AT LEAST your ATP / ATPL subjects?
As I do so often in dealing with Indian aviation, I stop when the head hurts too much from striking the brick wall. That's me done with this thread.
SEE YA! Yep... You "newbies and wannabes" in time will get that jet job and the cycle of deteriorating standards will go on and on and on......
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Dear Top Tup,
As requested earlier please don't generalise Indian Aviation. There are several professionals here who are much better than you so please keep your opinion to yourself. You are not welcome in this part ot the world. Just FOLLOW your own advice and stay away. Also please let us know which great country you belong to so that we can also retaliate in all fairness.
BTW some FOs with 200 hours in my airline will teach you a thing or two especially manners
As requested earlier please don't generalise Indian Aviation. There are several professionals here who are much better than you so please keep your opinion to yourself. You are not welcome in this part ot the world. Just FOLLOW your own advice and stay away. Also please let us know which great country you belong to so that we can also retaliate in all fairness.
BTW some FOs with 200 hours in my airline will teach you a thing or two especially manners
Question. Provokative. As always.
The world has a major shortage of pilots. Apparently.
Why is the most part of these 4000 Indian pilots not being taken on by the world's airlines?
How many Indian pilots actually work for other airlines outside of India as co and captain?
The world has a major shortage of pilots. Apparently.
Why is the most part of these 4000 Indian pilots not being taken on by the world's airlines?
How many Indian pilots actually work for other airlines outside of India as co and captain?
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The primary reason you won't find Indian's flying around the world would be due to lack of work permits / VISAs.
However you'll find a whole bunch of them in the Gulf, SQ. etc.
However you'll find a whole bunch of them in the Gulf, SQ. etc.
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@toptup : as you could probably figure out from the first word of my post, it is adressed to "gentlemen". A category which evidently doesnot include you, so u didn`t lose out on much there
Another thing i did go knocking on the door of every single GENERAL AVIATION operator and flying club in india, and num 2 the flying standards in Canada are as good as any where in the world,,, so if ur RYAN AIR is justified in hiring 200hr CPl holders, dont go crying bloody murder when it happens in india.
ps : learn to read english for dummies,,, highly recommended for u :P
Another thing i did go knocking on the door of every single GENERAL AVIATION operator and flying club in india, and num 2 the flying standards in Canada are as good as any where in the world,,, so if ur RYAN AIR is justified in hiring 200hr CPl holders, dont go crying bloody murder when it happens in india.
ps : learn to read english for dummies,,, highly recommended for u :P
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indian airforce
Well guys it seems that the Indian Airforce is recruiting Pilots for there transport category aircarfts , people with DGCA license can apply and there relaxation in the age limit and also the eyesight . So just go for it and fly for the country rather than some stupid pvt airline .
PS : see employment news for the advertisement or the indian airforce website.
PS : see employment news for the advertisement or the indian airforce website.
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I'll bite....
Casper63:
I know I am not and was not welcome in India, so resigned. I never felt welcome when I and other colleagues tried to bypass the Indian caste system, corruption, xenophobic attitude, and ICAO recognised woeful standards. When we tried to make a difference for the better, we were met with your arrogance and "head-in-the-sand" mentality. So, read the facts:
Indian Aviation Indian airlines: Not safe enough? - eTurboNews.com
Indian flights to US score low on safety - India Business - Business - NEWS - The Times of India
GuitarBoy:
I apologised to you for an unfair initial response. You chose to join the other kids in the schoolyard sandbox and attack me. The pure fact that you need to turn to "Google" to research minimal basic aviation knowledge such as coffin corner speaks volumes for your training, standards and abilities. The scarey thing is that you hold a CPL, supposedly. I googled "coffin corner" out of interest and here's what I found as a first repsonse:
http://thecoffincorner.*************/
So, if that is where you deem it acceptable to gain your aviation knowledge, heaven help the travelling public. What a disgrace.
Ghuman_07:
In the internationally recognised language of aviation (ENGLISH, refer ICAO) I am yet to ever see a sentance end in 3 x comas or any other of the shortened terms you deem an acceptable standard. In all the aviation journals, FCOMS, manuals and regulatory documents in any country holding a Airworthiness Certificate, your take on the English language will never be found. You insult mine and other professionals intelligence to even bother to repsond to your dribble of an excuse.
I have never claimed to be any gift to aviation. I only ever quote facts and personal first hand experience. If you wish to interpret things that way then that is your right. After all, my > 26,000 hrs of aviation experience, TRE/TRI qualifications, 2 x tertiary degrees, published articles and FAA & JAA recognised CRM Instructor's credentials will never match your 175 hr attitude and arrogance. (Yep, that is chest beating somewhat but it sure is a relief to know that at last there is google to help me out!)
OK children, that definitely is it for me. I have to go and sign on to fly a shiney 777 in an hour. You have given me much to laugh about over the next 9.5 hours. And don't forget, the term "professional" implies you are skilled, knowledgable, and earn an income from what you do. You either do not or cannot. Isn't this the Professional Pilots RUmour NEtwork? (Define "Professional")
I'm not going to bite again. I won't even check this thread again. Enjoy delving to the depths of pitiful mediocrity your colleagues and your arrogant attitudes have created. You are doing well to uphold India as a laughing stock of aviation throughout the world.
I know I am not and was not welcome in India, so resigned. I never felt welcome when I and other colleagues tried to bypass the Indian caste system, corruption, xenophobic attitude, and ICAO recognised woeful standards. When we tried to make a difference for the better, we were met with your arrogance and "head-in-the-sand" mentality. So, read the facts:
Indian Aviation Indian airlines: Not safe enough? - eTurboNews.com
Indian flights to US score low on safety - India Business - Business - NEWS - The Times of India
GuitarBoy:
I apologised to you for an unfair initial response. You chose to join the other kids in the schoolyard sandbox and attack me. The pure fact that you need to turn to "Google" to research minimal basic aviation knowledge such as coffin corner speaks volumes for your training, standards and abilities. The scarey thing is that you hold a CPL, supposedly. I googled "coffin corner" out of interest and here's what I found as a first repsonse:
http://thecoffincorner.*************/
So, if that is where you deem it acceptable to gain your aviation knowledge, heaven help the travelling public. What a disgrace.
Ghuman_07:
In the internationally recognised language of aviation (ENGLISH, refer ICAO) I am yet to ever see a sentance end in 3 x comas or any other of the shortened terms you deem an acceptable standard. In all the aviation journals, FCOMS, manuals and regulatory documents in any country holding a Airworthiness Certificate, your take on the English language will never be found. You insult mine and other professionals intelligence to even bother to repsond to your dribble of an excuse.
I have never claimed to be any gift to aviation. I only ever quote facts and personal first hand experience. If you wish to interpret things that way then that is your right. After all, my > 26,000 hrs of aviation experience, TRE/TRI qualifications, 2 x tertiary degrees, published articles and FAA & JAA recognised CRM Instructor's credentials will never match your 175 hr attitude and arrogance. (Yep, that is chest beating somewhat but it sure is a relief to know that at last there is google to help me out!)
OK children, that definitely is it for me. I have to go and sign on to fly a shiney 777 in an hour. You have given me much to laugh about over the next 9.5 hours. And don't forget, the term "professional" implies you are skilled, knowledgable, and earn an income from what you do. You either do not or cannot. Isn't this the Professional Pilots RUmour NEtwork? (Define "Professional")
I'm not going to bite again. I won't even check this thread again. Enjoy delving to the depths of pitiful mediocrity your colleagues and your arrogant attitudes have created. You are doing well to uphold India as a laughing stock of aviation throughout the world.