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Old 13th Aug 2009, 11:19
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I have been offered a job here as pilot. Can anyone tell what to expect if I accept the offer. They are also supplying apartment but did not elaborate on it. Any info would be appreciated.
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Old 14th Aug 2009, 12:09
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Cannot believe no one has any comments on Batavia Air.
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Old 14th Aug 2009, 14:45
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Hi...

Have not got any information on them, though am curious as to whether you have been offered a position as captain or FO, as the word has been that recruitment of non-nationals was no-go in Indo.

This said, I have heard of Lion starting to recruit foreigners as of late.

Would appreciate any more info on the situation, even recruitment details via PM (if you like).
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Old 14th Aug 2009, 15:49
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Batavia are supposed to be getting A330's which they were talking about running on routes like JKT-MES and JKT-SUB in addition to Jeddah flights. Their current Airbii do seem a little tired but they seem to keep themselves out of trouble.

The whole process is rather convoluted and circuitous but there are foreigners around the traps. There is the Lion CAE contract but aside from that there are foreign guys in Mandala and Express and more in lowly turboprops.

The reality is with the continued expansion happening in the industry here they are going to need to take on more foreigners. There aren't enough flight schools to churn out the required numbers and even if there was safety would really take a dive.
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Old 15th Aug 2009, 09:13
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I applied to Batavia Air from their own website. Never got an answer. How did you contact Batavia Air people?
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Old 15th Aug 2009, 20:59
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What did you think of the contract offer klc?
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Old 27th Aug 2009, 10:46
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Batavia Job

Hi all


I have been offered a Captain slot on the B737 at Batavia Air. Any current pilot flying for Batavia who could give us an insight on the company?

Regards to all
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Old 27th Aug 2009, 15:58
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With this email, Batavia Air would like to propose job opportunity to
you as Captain B737 Series, with condition belows :

* Salary $ 4,000.00 nett with 100 flight hours per month.
* Accomodation (apartment).
* Transportation (pick-up delivery during in the performance of flight
duty).
* For 1 (one) year not more than 1,000 flight hours in total.

To low for a Captain. 6,5 to 7 k minimum just to start to talk.
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Old 28th Aug 2009, 11:54
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F/O conditions are the same and a very meager 2000$ a month......
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Old 28th Aug 2009, 13:36
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Limited Pay

According to what I have read, they can only pay expats the equivalent of what they pay locals. Only under this condition will the gov't allow them to bring in foreign pilots, so either they raise all pilots salaries (the preferable option, but for a low cost carrier, this is not going to happen), or they try to attact expats for a year at a time with bottom dollar wages, and in this economy (especially in the aviation community where the jobs are few and far between), they will be able to find rent-a-pilots to fill the seats.

Only a plethora of jobs opening up in the rest of the world will change the supply and demand curve back to the pilots' favor. As long as there is a glut of pilots, and there is a big glut right now, there will be people willing and able to fly for what the Batavia's of the world are willing to pay.

That said, if you have the qualifications, and need to build time instead of sitting home and looking for a job that you may or may not find, this may turn out to be an adventure worth the pain of low pay for year.
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Old 28th Aug 2009, 15:02
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yes, you can allways find pilots.Thats true. There is always someone jobless on the market or someone just retired with a pension there. But 4000 us for an expat captain is too low even to atract Captains from the third world. I live in the third world so I know what I mean. 6 to 7 k will do a better job.

For an expat FO that need build up time and have some adventure in a exotic place is a good option. A couple of years will get you almost 2 k in jet and you will be ready to move to a better place.
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Old 30th Aug 2009, 02:49
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Hi guys...

As I know...Indonesian Gov not accept pilots who doesn't have Instructor qualification . That's only for bridging type of aircraft.

If you want to know about living in Indonesia..it's much like the others big city...

You can find anything here...

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Old 31st Aug 2009, 00:51
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Hi manflex,

Quick question, the instructor requirement that you mention, does this also apply to foreign first officers or just captains?.

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Old 31st Aug 2009, 05:34
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just captain..

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Old 31st Aug 2009, 08:19
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under Part 121, must hold airman certificate and rating required to serve
as a PIC .. no ?

(121.414.b.1)
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Old 31st Aug 2009, 09:32
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Hi All

When you have such pertinent information like Manflex69 had..
"Indonesian Gov not accept pilots who doesn't have Instructor qualification . That's only for bridging type of aircraft."
It would be great if you could tell us where did you get the information so the info is no longer a rumor and becomes a fact.

manflex69, thanks for the info by the way, but tell us where that information came from.

Regards
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Old 31st Aug 2009, 21:43
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Yes, as I have read through all of the DGCA (especially part 121 & part 61) regulations, and can no where find any reference to the requirement that a captain (foreign or Indonesian) be required to be a CFI, could you please cite your source for this?

Thanks ahead of time for the information.

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Old 1st Sep 2009, 01:15
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Any copilots having some success getting on with this company?.

Seems like they are expecting time on type. Hard to know exactly what they are looking for since their ad on climbto350 was very non-descriptive.

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Old 1st Sep 2009, 01:24
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Yes, the ad on climb with those req looks ridiculous for 2000 USD.
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Old 1st Sep 2009, 02:42
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there will allways be people doing it that money. But not to many.
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