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alasss that was about 2 pounds of freshly baked optimism infused in my system i so love this forum ... gurrrrreat post indair wish u d best manits a far cry from the "wannabe bashing" inclination of certain members of the forum...
nd yah d last nightmare i remember my stall aggravated into a spin a nd i kept pressing the wrong rudder..
back to flight manual and a lil couch flying should mend it i guess
thankx again
this is the only concern ive had which u addressed in ur post indair i dont find my calling as an instructor teaching perhaps is not a virtue or a talent ive slapped a lil kid i tried for home tuition last month precisely this is the reason why im not rushing to vfs to apply for a work permit... as an FI..but beggars r not choosers and indeed we have a handsome bunch of beggars loitering around in India including me
jetzup have u flown in india.. d rates r twice as much that is again a deterrent back to my plastic yoke on d flight sim
how about something called a pilot dhaba ... or something ive heard there used to be a canteen at amausi airport lucknow whose hed cook was an unemployed cpl holder or something
please xcuse d try at humour...
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@Shanx
I am well aware of the present scenario with regards to flight schools in India. I am sure that nobody would accuse you of generalizing because it is the truth. However I was in no way suggesting that candidates from these schools with dubious flying records should be considered over and above those who have gone abroad to get their CPLs. I was merely suggesting, more likely venting my frustration, that things could be so much better right here at home given the enormous opportunities. I myself have gone abroad to get my CPL because of the sad state of affairs.
All I am trying to say is that it was a golden opportunity for Indian aviation to transform itself. The government is building new airports all over the country but shutting down the old ones which could have been utilized for so many things, flight training being just one of them. However there are some legitimate flying schools in India: IGRUA and RGRUA being two of them. One of them flies extremely powerful TB20s and King Airs and the the other one has a fleet of state-of-the-art Diamond aircraft. Both are partnerships between the government and CAE. So things are changing and they will be different before the 200 years that you claim it will take. And the sad part is that it is the government who is working in the right direction while private institutes are just there to make a fast buck with no concern for future ramifications whatsoever.
Now when it comes to choosing between the two kind of pilots that you described I would obviously choose the one who has gone to some country abroad over the candidate who "claims" to have done his flying in India (as long as he is not from the institutes mentioned above). But there still needs to be a third choice: a pilot who has some additional experience after getting his CPL! How would that be possible in the present situation? I am not sure but I don't want India to become another Indonesia where most airlines would be banned from flying to the EU or North America because of poor safety records.
The other countries that you mentioned who have pilots that go directly to the right seat after acquiring their CPL are lightyears ahead of us in terms of professionalism, training and adherence to safety standards. Their airlines have been established for years if not decades. Even when they do recruit pilots directly they only recruit the best and even then they pay for the type rating. So let's not even compare India to them.
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I completely understand how you feel. I was in the same position as you a little while back. I personally feel completely inadequate to fly a trainer aircraft, forget jets, after not having flown for the last 7 months. But I have understood that if one is looking towards aviation as a career you shouldn't be too affected by these setbacks. The important thing is to try and stay up in the air any way possible. And if you have an opportunity to become a FI in Canada then grab it with both hands. And legs! It is going to be a mad frenzy when the market opens up here whenever that happens and the only thing that would give you the upper hand and probably help you get that job is additional experience. In my opinion.
I am well aware of the present scenario with regards to flight schools in India. I am sure that nobody would accuse you of generalizing because it is the truth. However I was in no way suggesting that candidates from these schools with dubious flying records should be considered over and above those who have gone abroad to get their CPLs. I was merely suggesting, more likely venting my frustration, that things could be so much better right here at home given the enormous opportunities. I myself have gone abroad to get my CPL because of the sad state of affairs.
All I am trying to say is that it was a golden opportunity for Indian aviation to transform itself. The government is building new airports all over the country but shutting down the old ones which could have been utilized for so many things, flight training being just one of them. However there are some legitimate flying schools in India: IGRUA and RGRUA being two of them. One of them flies extremely powerful TB20s and King Airs and the the other one has a fleet of state-of-the-art Diamond aircraft. Both are partnerships between the government and CAE. So things are changing and they will be different before the 200 years that you claim it will take. And the sad part is that it is the government who is working in the right direction while private institutes are just there to make a fast buck with no concern for future ramifications whatsoever.
Now when it comes to choosing between the two kind of pilots that you described I would obviously choose the one who has gone to some country abroad over the candidate who "claims" to have done his flying in India (as long as he is not from the institutes mentioned above). But there still needs to be a third choice: a pilot who has some additional experience after getting his CPL! How would that be possible in the present situation? I am not sure but I don't want India to become another Indonesia where most airlines would be banned from flying to the EU or North America because of poor safety records.
The other countries that you mentioned who have pilots that go directly to the right seat after acquiring their CPL are lightyears ahead of us in terms of professionalism, training and adherence to safety standards. Their airlines have been established for years if not decades. Even when they do recruit pilots directly they only recruit the best and even then they pay for the type rating. So let's not even compare India to them.
@tangowithtushar
I completely understand how you feel. I was in the same position as you a little while back. I personally feel completely inadequate to fly a trainer aircraft, forget jets, after not having flown for the last 7 months. But I have understood that if one is looking towards aviation as a career you shouldn't be too affected by these setbacks. The important thing is to try and stay up in the air any way possible. And if you have an opportunity to become a FI in Canada then grab it with both hands. And legs! It is going to be a mad frenzy when the market opens up here whenever that happens and the only thing that would give you the upper hand and probably help you get that job is additional experience. In my opinion.
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I got my CPL and Regs passed. I flew in India on a corporate jet (CL-604) for two years, and now I'm out a job. Only got 350 hours on that jet. It's very similar to the CRj-700, and the cockpit is the same. I heard Air India (alliance air) is hiring CRJ-700 co-pilots who are rated on CRJ-series aircraft...which basically is what I am rated on. Anybody have any contact info for the chief pilot? Any chances on landing on a A320 if I get myself type, or is it pretty much impossible right now? I basically have my Indian License, just waiting on the paperwork.
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I did hear about Alliance requiring CRJ copilots urgently ... till very recently.
So if your luck holds, you just might be able to get in there if you can get in your resume there.
I did hear about Alliance requiring CRJ copilots urgently ... till very recently.
So if your luck holds, you just might be able to get in there if you can get in your resume there.
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hi CaptWuff, i heard about this alliance hiring around 2 months back. might still hold good.
go air's taking in people with a 320 rating. but it might not be worth the gamble. alliance is your best bet.
also have a look here ...
Club One Air,Our Aircraft Fleet,Air Charter services,Citation Jets,Cirrus Jets
go air's taking in people with a 320 rating. but it might not be worth the gamble. alliance is your best bet.
also have a look here ...
Club One Air,Our Aircraft Fleet,Air Charter services,Citation Jets,Cirrus Jets
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hey chanel, i don't think there's any catch. till recently i'd seen ads for f/o's with 100 hrs on type. but i know that people with zero hours on type have got in.
so it's worth sending in your resume if you have a 320 rating.
so it's worth sending in your resume if you have a 320 rating.
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thanks a mil bad attitude....no such luck. I am aiming for the 1-1.5k in single and multi right now
I was planning to do the type rating after 1-1.5k hrs. Now it looks like companies are more interested in hiring cpl holders who are willing to pay the premium price for a type rating with them. So I am re-assessing the situation, but I'll reach the no. of hours target first then decide.
I was planning to do the type rating after 1-1.5k hrs. Now it looks like companies are more interested in hiring cpl holders who are willing to pay the premium price for a type rating with them. So I am re-assessing the situation, but I'll reach the no. of hours target first then decide.
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dats all good news fellows...but any of u guyz heard of the CAE center in Bangalore....
i heard that they also do TR!!!
coz if thats the case then the technical papers would have to be given in India right???
and ya what bout the B-2 TR????
i heard that they also do TR!!!
coz if thats the case then the technical papers would have to be given in India right???
and ya what bout the B-2 TR????
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@bad attitude: whats the news with indigo?
and ya one more thing...the latest CA 40 forms taken out by dgca say that the checks have to be done on the sim and the flight...coz they have some items which have to be exclusively done on the sim.....is that a necessaty??coz i did my training in US and i just flew the seneca but my school did not have any sim for it....and i was told by the company that they wanted the check reports in the new format!!!what the hell!!!
and ya one more thing...the latest CA 40 forms taken out by dgca say that the checks have to be done on the sim and the flight...coz they have some items which have to be exclusively done on the sim.....is that a necessaty??coz i did my training in US and i just flew the seneca but my school did not have any sim for it....and i was told by the company that they wanted the check reports in the new format!!!what the hell!!!
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thanks man that helps a lot....actually the thing is that i submitted my papers through my company last month but now they told me to get the new ca 40 forms and these forms specifically say that we need to do some items on the sim...
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You know back to the whole would rather have the high time guy with no jet experience, or the low time with a TR....
Honestly, I'll tell you my experience. I graduated and then started Flight Instructing for 200 hours. After that, I got a job in India on a Challenger.
I found that after flight instructing those 200 hours, I learned more then I learned in any other aspect of my aviation career. I was forced to learn information, because if I didn't, other people would suffer. That change my mentality on flying, and I got very aggressive when it came to the books.
The fact of the matter is, that a lot of guys with CPL's and a type rating, really don't do that well in the airlines. Somebody mentioned earlier that there have been no problems look at all the guys on their shiny 73's and A320's. Well, i got news for you. A large amount of guys failed their LOFT, and are no longer with the airline. A LARGE percentage.
One thing to remember, is that going from barely being able to fly a Cessna 172, and passing a "type rating" course, doesn't make you really qualified. First, many people goto the worst flight schools in america, taught by instructors who are not that great. Second, the type rating courses are not hard...the almost never fail anybody, especially when they have less then 1500 hours and know they won't be in command. Plus, remember you are customers, so anybody that's paying will get passed...MOSTLY.
My transition to the Jet was pretty good, but it was a much smaller jet, and I had about 500 hours before i jumped on, about twice as much as most guys.
Now I'm sitting with about 900 TT and 350 Jet, and I know that I have 99% more of aviation to still learn. I have pretty good stick and rudder skills, as does anybody in the playstation/xbox era. However, it's about managing aircrafts, which comes with experience and maturity.
Finally, generalizing really doesn't do any good. To say that would you rather have a guy with 5 billion hours of 172 time falsified or not, or a guy with 250 hours and a type rating is pointless. You can have bad pilots and good pilots with different amount of hours. It's about how hard pilots study, the amount of common sense they have, how you carry yourself, and also to a large degree how many hours you have.
Oh yeah, I forgot to ask...does anybody have a clue what the insurance rates are on these Brand new A320's/B737's with 180 pax and a 250 desi in the right seat? I mean, I know alot of insurance companies in the US that won't even insure you if you have less then an ATPL in a jet, let alone a big honking one. Just curious, cause it has to be outrageous, unless the airlines are fudging the hours...which would disqualify the insurance claim. I don't want to incriminate anybody, but I believe that's what was going on when I was a 500-hour jet wonder.
KEEP THE BLUE SIDE UPPPPPP!
Honestly, I'll tell you my experience. I graduated and then started Flight Instructing for 200 hours. After that, I got a job in India on a Challenger.
I found that after flight instructing those 200 hours, I learned more then I learned in any other aspect of my aviation career. I was forced to learn information, because if I didn't, other people would suffer. That change my mentality on flying, and I got very aggressive when it came to the books.
The fact of the matter is, that a lot of guys with CPL's and a type rating, really don't do that well in the airlines. Somebody mentioned earlier that there have been no problems look at all the guys on their shiny 73's and A320's. Well, i got news for you. A large amount of guys failed their LOFT, and are no longer with the airline. A LARGE percentage.
One thing to remember, is that going from barely being able to fly a Cessna 172, and passing a "type rating" course, doesn't make you really qualified. First, many people goto the worst flight schools in america, taught by instructors who are not that great. Second, the type rating courses are not hard...the almost never fail anybody, especially when they have less then 1500 hours and know they won't be in command. Plus, remember you are customers, so anybody that's paying will get passed...MOSTLY.
My transition to the Jet was pretty good, but it was a much smaller jet, and I had about 500 hours before i jumped on, about twice as much as most guys.
Now I'm sitting with about 900 TT and 350 Jet, and I know that I have 99% more of aviation to still learn. I have pretty good stick and rudder skills, as does anybody in the playstation/xbox era. However, it's about managing aircrafts, which comes with experience and maturity.
Finally, generalizing really doesn't do any good. To say that would you rather have a guy with 5 billion hours of 172 time falsified or not, or a guy with 250 hours and a type rating is pointless. You can have bad pilots and good pilots with different amount of hours. It's about how hard pilots study, the amount of common sense they have, how you carry yourself, and also to a large degree how many hours you have.
Oh yeah, I forgot to ask...does anybody have a clue what the insurance rates are on these Brand new A320's/B737's with 180 pax and a 250 desi in the right seat? I mean, I know alot of insurance companies in the US that won't even insure you if you have less then an ATPL in a jet, let alone a big honking one. Just curious, cause it has to be outrageous, unless the airlines are fudging the hours...which would disqualify the insurance claim. I don't want to incriminate anybody, but I believe that's what was going on when I was a 500-hour jet wonder.
KEEP THE BLUE SIDE UPPPPPP!
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anybody know what is the deal with Paramount? are they hiring pilots? some article came out sayin spice indigo and paramount were hiring 500 by years end, but it looks similar to one posted in may and wondering if its a mistake. I thought nobody is hiring for eons and eons to come.
