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There were manuals and flight documents being stolen from the cockpit of an airliner in india.... It all stopped when the pilots were told that they would be searched after their flight....
It is an individuals act but defames the whole airline/country...... esp. if that airline is facing such charges again and again..... Today 02:29
pilots stopped removing articles from the a/c when checks put in place.
do you expect india to put Sharia law?
if you read all posts you will see shop lifting/stealing is all arround the globe.
so globe is defamed ?
another trend i noticed about shop lifting.....
from india if you look towards East at Japan....least shop lifting
then move towards India....trend goes up
then ME very strict...so no shoplifters
and so on to EU....more cases
and then otherside of the globe.....
you will see another patren on cases of shoplifting. set patren.
where it is most...and countries affected by this are in research mode.
these countries still donot know what is shoplifting.
medical ailment?
feel great?
thrill?
showoff?
if same airline is facing same charges again and again that means airline has to go deep in research and the patren followed in all the cases.
There were manuals and flight documents being stolen from the cockpit of an airliner in india.... It all stopped when the pilots were told that they would be searched after their flight....
It is an individuals act but defames the whole airline/country...... esp. if that airline is facing such charges again and again..... Today 02:29
pilots stopped removing articles from the a/c when checks put in place.
do you expect india to put Sharia law?
if you read all posts you will see shop lifting/stealing is all arround the globe.
so globe is defamed ?
another trend i noticed about shop lifting.....
from india if you look towards East at Japan....least shop lifting
then move towards India....trend goes up
then ME very strict...so no shoplifters
and so on to EU....more cases
and then otherside of the globe.....
you will see another patren on cases of shoplifting. set patren.
where it is most...and countries affected by this are in research mode.
these countries still donot know what is shoplifting.
medical ailment?
feel great?
thrill?
showoff?
if same airline is facing same charges again and again that means airline has to go deep in research and the patren followed in all the cases.
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where he go for CPL? flying school?
please
It sounds universal problem of shoplifting
Sri lankan Airlines
Well it wil not be an issue if you have the right contacts within the management.
A vey senior Captain ( PJ) got caught for shop lifting in Singapore.But he ended up being the Flight Ops manager and now he flies for Jet Airways.Also his son joined Sri lankan Airlines as well few years ago....
All you need is the right String to pull
Well it wil not be an issue if you have the right contacts within the management.
A vey senior Captain ( PJ) got caught for shop lifting in Singapore.But he ended up being the Flight Ops manager and now he flies for Jet Airways.Also his son joined Sri lankan Airlines as well few years ago....
All you need is the right String to pull
please
It sounds universal problem of shoplifting
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Hello Schumi - Red ,
By your last two posts,on CISF and now douments being removed from the cockpit,what are you trying to highlight on this forum? Are you indulging in some country specific issues?If so, that would be sad considering your location!
By your last two posts,on CISF and now douments being removed from the cockpit,what are you trying to highlight on this forum? Are you indulging in some country specific issues?If so, that would be sad considering your location!
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I am just telling what i noticed.... I was just telling about the different individual pilots who just stole things... I know these incidents only for this region, so, it might look to you that i am indulging in some country specific issues.
What i can't understand though is why are you so nitpicky.... I was looking for some positive discussion not for those negative vibes....
I am just telling what i noticed.... I was just telling about the different individual pilots who just stole things... I know these incidents only for this region, so, it might look to you that i am indulging in some country specific issues.
What i can't understand though is why are you so nitpicky.... I was looking for some positive discussion not for those negative vibes....
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Dear Hello Schumi - Red,
"What i can't understand though is why are you so nitpicky.... I was looking for some positive discussion not for those negative vibes...."
By raising two entirely different issues,consecutively which do have a inherent negativity in them,you are seeing negative vibes in what I am mentioning!
I wonder what sort of positive discussion are you looking for?
May i ask you to try and give some postive inputs yourself .It would be a pleasure!
Regards,
"What i can't understand though is why are you so nitpicky.... I was looking for some positive discussion not for those negative vibes...."
By raising two entirely different issues,consecutively which do have a inherent negativity in them,you are seeing negative vibes in what I am mentioning!
I wonder what sort of positive discussion are you looking for?
May i ask you to try and give some postive inputs yourself .It would be a pleasure!
Regards,
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Just imagine a situation where someone is going for a flight with his family and then the security asks to strip his girl for some security issue.... Isn't that embarrasing/irritating....Or, you go for your flight to learn that the cockpit manuals are missing.... What will be your reactions (if you are a pilot).... Whats the reputation of a pilot when the airline mangment says that the pilots would be searched before they leave..... I was just saying that the pilots would be a bit self rightous and not do something like that which defames the pilot community... They should be responsible because when they fly abroad they represent their airline,their country... People look up to them and say,they are pilots, extreme proffesionals and when we do such things then imagine who would like to fly when you are the pilot....
The managment would be saying that the pilots were stealing the stuff, brings bad reputation for us....
I was looking for what measures we can take as a pilot that this community is not defamed again for the misdeeds of other people.... Yes the CISF issue has nothing to do pilots but in a country is that acceptable ??? I say no.... But thats my opinion...Yours might be different....
I brought the issue in light to hear what other fellow aviators think about it.... And not a pedantic asking me questions as to why...
Why don't you want these topics to be discussed on here???
Just imagine a situation where someone is going for a flight with his family and then the security asks to strip his girl for some security issue.... Isn't that embarrasing/irritating....Or, you go for your flight to learn that the cockpit manuals are missing.... What will be your reactions (if you are a pilot).... Whats the reputation of a pilot when the airline mangment says that the pilots would be searched before they leave..... I was just saying that the pilots would be a bit self rightous and not do something like that which defames the pilot community... They should be responsible because when they fly abroad they represent their airline,their country... People look up to them and say,they are pilots, extreme proffesionals and when we do such things then imagine who would like to fly when you are the pilot....
The managment would be saying that the pilots were stealing the stuff, brings bad reputation for us....
I was looking for what measures we can take as a pilot that this community is not defamed again for the misdeeds of other people.... Yes the CISF issue has nothing to do pilots but in a country is that acceptable ??? I say no.... But thats my opinion...Yours might be different....
I brought the issue in light to hear what other fellow aviators think about it.... And not a pedantic asking me questions as to why...
Why don't you want these topics to be discussed on here???
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This has nothing to do about nationalism, or targetting a country. There is an inherent problem in India. Sure, manuals go missing too in airlines from other countries, but the sheer rate of this occurance, shoplifting etc, is second to none. I have personally seen cabin crew members steal perfumes/booze in AI/IA right in front of my nose as though it is a norm. There is an airline who 2weeks ago issued its pilots with personal reflective vests for the walk around, unable to stem the tide of stealing.
The problem lies with effective penalties. No thief should be allowed to fly an airplane, period. There is a widespread reluctance in India to punish criminals. This sends the wrong message to the people, especially the law abiding ones, and results in a breakdown of the civil code.
I will digress a bit from the topic and give you another example of things being done horribly wrong. There is a senior commander who failed his upgrade twice, and has been in the training pool for close to 2 years. This guy pulled his contacts in the DGCA and got them to demand that he be given a third shot. If an unsafe pilot is allowed to go on till he passes, what about a thief ?? Makes him look like an angel.
There are exellent pilots and great individuals in the country, but they are unfortunately, pushed aside by a lack of governance.
This has nothing to do about nationalism, or targetting a country. There is an inherent problem in India. Sure, manuals go missing too in airlines from other countries, but the sheer rate of this occurance, shoplifting etc, is second to none. I have personally seen cabin crew members steal perfumes/booze in AI/IA right in front of my nose as though it is a norm. There is an airline who 2weeks ago issued its pilots with personal reflective vests for the walk around, unable to stem the tide of stealing.
The problem lies with effective penalties. No thief should be allowed to fly an airplane, period. There is a widespread reluctance in India to punish criminals. This sends the wrong message to the people, especially the law abiding ones, and results in a breakdown of the civil code.
I will digress a bit from the topic and give you another example of things being done horribly wrong. There is a senior commander who failed his upgrade twice, and has been in the training pool for close to 2 years. This guy pulled his contacts in the DGCA and got them to demand that he be given a third shot. If an unsafe pilot is allowed to go on till he passes, what about a thief ?? Makes him look like an angel.
There are exellent pilots and great individuals in the country, but they are unfortunately, pushed aside by a lack of governance.
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i hope this will help to sooth your fixation about india.
Flier angry after TSA makes her remove nipple ring - USATODAY.com
i hope this will help to sooth your fixation about india.
Flier angry after TSA makes her remove nipple ring - USATODAY.com
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rdr,
I got on to this thread in reply to a post which has since been removed .
At that moment from the basic issue of shoplifting by an individual ,to me it appeared this thread was digressing into topics which were tending to be a region specific and not really relevant to that act.
Regards
I got on to this thread in reply to a post which has since been removed .
At that moment from the basic issue of shoplifting by an individual ,to me it appeared this thread was digressing into topics which were tending to be a region specific and not really relevant to that act.
Regards
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missing docs from cockpit .....look at the number of companies in india
not all have this problem of cockpit manuals missing....and that does not make all indian pilots are thief or shoplifter.
need to look those companies what care they are taking of the pilots?
need to compare companies where docs are kept with respect in cockpit with those where docs go missing.
jsut donot shoot pilots.
bcz it can be mismanagement problem where manuals go missing.
why nobody wrote company name till now where docs go missing?
write company name if your are so much upset .
not all have this problem of cockpit manuals missing....and that does not make all indian pilots are thief or shoplifter.
need to look those companies what care they are taking of the pilots?
need to compare companies where docs are kept with respect in cockpit with those where docs go missing.
jsut donot shoot pilots.
bcz it can be mismanagement problem where manuals go missing.
why nobody wrote company name till now where docs go missing?
write company name if your are so much upset .
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@saperaa
I cannot understand why you want to know the name of the airline.... As if it serves any purpose to anyone, except giving bad name to the airline pilots...
But it's one of the biggest airline in India...
If you go thru the whole thread, thats what everyone is saying... If one pilot steals anything then it doesn't makes every pilot a theif but defames the pilot community....
Manuals missing from the cockpit.... How is that mismanagment of a company.... Except pilots who else can take things from the COCKPIT....
passengers, cabin crew etc. who else......
I cannot understand why you want to know the name of the airline.... As if it serves any purpose to anyone, except giving bad name to the airline pilots...
But it's one of the biggest airline in India...
and that does not make all indian pilots are thief or shoplifter.
bcz it can be mismanagement problem where manuals go missing.
passengers, cabin crew etc. who else......
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I don't have anything against india.... It's just that i think that i am responsible and should do my bit to make india a better place to live in.... It's everyones responsibility to make a country a better place to live in. This too is taught in RURAL AND URBAN SCHOOLS....
By posting the link do you want to say that what happened in india was alright because something similar happened in US too...
schumi red baron
i hope this will help to sooth your fixation about india.
i hope this will help to sooth your fixation about india.
By posting the link do you want to say that what happened in india was alright because something similar happened in US too...
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you should at least appriciate the job of TSA and CISF for maintaining the SOPs and safety for all.
it is no comparison .
thats negetive vibes has to go first to think that far .
so concerned about docs,manual missing from cockpit i donot think any harm to name the airline.
biggest or smaller name it and get it cleaned instead of blameing all pilots.
you should at least appriciate the job of TSA and CISF for maintaining the SOPs and safety for all.
it is no comparison .
thats negetive vibes has to go first to think that far .
so concerned about docs,manual missing from cockpit i donot think any harm to name the airline.
I cannot understand why you want to know the name of the airline.... As if it serves any purpose to anyone, except giving bad name to the airline pilots...
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this is not rural chain of government of india .
every school has diffrent timings and sylabus and are not 24 hrs
its not what exectly you KNOW OF and compare to MACDONALD`S CHAIN.
and these rural schools also have diffrent subjects not like YOUR MAC menu... meal number 7 and you get same stuff everywhere.
food for thought.
rural schools offer
fodder for thought free
complimentry.
And i am being a bit pedantic here... I think u meant to say heritage...
Haritage is a rural school chain of government of india....
Haritage is a rural school chain of government of india....
every school has diffrent timings and sylabus and are not 24 hrs
its not what exectly you KNOW OF and compare to MACDONALD`S CHAIN.
and these rural schools also have diffrent subjects not like YOUR MAC menu... meal number 7 and you get same stuff everywhere.
food for thought.
rural schools offer
fodder for thought free
complimentry.
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so concerned about docs,manual missing from cockpit i donot think any harm to name the airline.
It appears that you are not concerned at all about safety. You are possibly one of the many on board pilferers who thinks it is all right to steal.
Then you try and pull the usual Indian trick of drama and debate to avoid the real issues.
Why dont you post your name and perhaps we will forward it to the DGCA to clean up Indian Aviation.
so concerned about docs,manual missing from cockpit i donot think any harm to name the airline.
It appears that you are not concerned at all about safety. You are possibly one of the many on board pilferers who thinks it is all right to steal.
Then you try and pull the usual Indian trick of drama and debate to avoid the real issues.
Why dont you post your name and perhaps we will forward it to the DGCA to clean up Indian Aviation.
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Quote:
And i am being a bit pedantic here... I think u meant to say heritage...
Haritage is a rural school chain of government of india....
this is not rural chain of government of india .
every school has diffrent timings and sylabus and are not 24 hrs
its not what exectly you KNOW OF and compare to MACDONALD`S CHAIN.
and these rural schools also have diffrent subjects not like YOUR MAC menu... meal number 7 and you get same stuff everywhere.
food for thought.
rural schools offer
fodder for thought free
complimentry.
Quote:
And i am being a bit pedantic here... I think u meant to say heritage...
Haritage is a rural school chain of government of india....
this is not rural chain of government of india .
every school has diffrent timings and sylabus and are not 24 hrs
its not what exectly you KNOW OF and compare to MACDONALD`S CHAIN.
and these rural schools also have diffrent subjects not like YOUR MAC menu... meal number 7 and you get same stuff everywhere.
food for thought.
rural schools offer
fodder for thought free
complimentry.
I didn't got ur point here... what do you want to say...
And i think that you are under wrong impression that CHAIN word is used only for McDonalds.... If i am right in assuming that, then mate u need to do some english language course....
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So, you say what they did was right...
The person who belives stealing is right, the security agencies stripping ladies in public is right.... Even an uneducated snake charmer will give you the right answer...
I am actually ashamed that i belong in the same community, in which you are also a member....
From now onwards i am going to ignore you because i don't think that you should not be taken seriously....
red baron
you should at least appriciate the job of TSA and CISF for maintaining the SOPs and safety for all.
it is no comparison .
you should at least appriciate the job of TSA and CISF for maintaining the SOPs and safety for all.
it is no comparison .
The person who belives stealing is right, the security agencies stripping ladies in public is right.... Even an uneducated snake charmer will give you the right answer...
I am actually ashamed that i belong in the same community, in which you are also a member....
From now onwards i am going to ignore you because i don't think that you should not be taken seriously....
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Hi,
"the security agencies stripping ladies in public is right"
I don't think anybody supports this action and more importantly neither was this said in that article.
Link on that security related article has been removed now for obvious reasons by someone .
Also, aren't we inventing NEW words/contents and sentences here?and then making pointed statements"You are possibly one of the many on board pilferers who thinks it is all right to steal.Then you try and pull the usual Indian trick of drama and debate to avoid the real issues"
It is getting personaland i am off this discussion.
Regards
"the security agencies stripping ladies in public is right"
I don't think anybody supports this action and more importantly neither was this said in that article.
Link on that security related article has been removed now for obvious reasons by someone .
Also, aren't we inventing NEW words/contents and sentences here?and then making pointed statements"You are possibly one of the many on board pilferers who thinks it is all right to steal.Then you try and pull the usual Indian trick of drama and debate to avoid the real issues"
It is getting personal
and i am off this discussion.Regards
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real issue is
why donot you like me to put the chain of events or sequence togather.
all are trying to divert the thread of shoplifting stealing to a new direction.
i am not trying to defend any who is indulged in to it but to save that single pilot who is not in to it.
where so many airlines exist, just for one company you canot put all other companies and pilots at same operation table.
another intresting lead is... singapora is the only most urban shoping centre in the region like you find in the other urbanised countries.
when people go to visit singapora they try to experiment what they saw in urban country shops .
320p
i only said at least learn to see that some one is doing the job as they followed securty procedures.
rest is your imagination.
why donot you like me to put the chain of events or sequence togather.
all are trying to divert the thread of shoplifting stealing to a new direction.
i am not trying to defend any who is indulged in to it but to save that single pilot who is not in to it.
where so many airlines exist, just for one company you canot put all other companies and pilots at same operation table.
another intresting lead is... singapora is the only most urban shoping centre in the region like you find in the other urbanised countries.
when people go to visit singapora they try to experiment what they saw in urban country shops .
320p
red baron
you should at least appriciate the job of TSA and CISF for maintaining the SOPs and safety for all.
it is no comparison
you should at least appriciate the job of TSA and CISF for maintaining the SOPs and safety for all.
it is no comparison
rest is your imagination.
"the security agencies stripping ladies in public is right"