Indigo bad to worse
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Indigo bad to worse
Indigo the real deal!
Nationals are being truly shafted by this company on a daily / monthly basis.
Over the past month f/o's and cpt's that have seen the downfall in the company ethics tried to attend a Qatar interview based in Mumbai and the management of the company have shafted us all by declaring to the Qatar that they are not allowed to interview as they are still working with Indigo!
Many of us nationals are being shafted by management for captaincy upgrades as the company is still recruiting expat commanders through FATA.
Nationals are being truly shafted by this company on a daily / monthly basis.
Over the past month f/o's and cpt's that have seen the downfall in the company ethics tried to attend a Qatar interview based in Mumbai and the management of the company have shafted us all by declaring to the Qatar that they are not allowed to interview as they are still working with Indigo!
Many of us nationals are being shafted by management for captaincy upgrades as the company is still recruiting expat commanders through FATA.
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I'm so happy I did not move to India to fly a few years ago when I was given the opportunity.
In India, the story remains the same, only the airline name changes .....today its Indigo, tomorrow its Go and the day after its someone else.....
I looked through a Dictionary that I had purchased in Mumbai on a visit there recently....
I noticed the word ACCOUNTABILITY was not in it.....
In India, the story remains the same, only the airline name changes .....today its Indigo, tomorrow its Go and the day after its someone else.....
I looked through a Dictionary that I had purchased in Mumbai on a visit there recently....
I noticed the word ACCOUNTABILITY was not in it.....
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sorry but absolutely ludicrous comments by our dear friend here ... and ofcourse on basis of 0 number of facts or sitings...sure there is a tight rope being walked on for all flying there and i do agree that they not completely function in the best interest of the workhorses..... but i do believe that there are not many ways to keep 250 pilot egos in check before they start ripping ur arm and leg.... and we all know whats the best way to drown an airline!!! ... just let them pilots loose!!!
so therefore if you do work for indigo i think be grateful and moreover that u have a god damn job mateys!!!
so therefore if you do work for indigo i think be grateful and moreover that u have a god damn job mateys!!!
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I dont understand your post sir.....It seems that "better" is just trying to say that Indigo is not giving them a fair deal....How is it possible that Indigo can tell Qatar not to interview their guys????? (India is a democracy isnt it)
If life @ indigo was sooooooooooooo good then these guys wouldnt be interviewing elsewhere would they. Indigo has a better chance keeping guys by treating them well, rather than forcing policy on them as seems to be the case.....I once again reiterate my sentiment about how glad I am that I did not move to India when given the chance.
If life @ indigo was sooooooooooooo good then these guys wouldnt be interviewing elsewhere would they. Indigo has a better chance keeping guys by treating them well, rather than forcing policy on them as seems to be the case.....I once again reiterate my sentiment about how glad I am that I did not move to India when given the chance.
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This 250hr wonder argument/taunt/jab/excuse is wearing thin very fast. This point held weight 2-3 yrs ago. With recruitment reducing to trickle, the odds of a great experienced all knowing captain flying with a green F/O has been all but eliminated. So time to look for another point to use to keep the Indian F/O's down on any debate.
Things are not looking good for F\O's right now as the supplementary income through expat hiring is forecast to end by 2010 so they are trying to make the best of the situation they are in. Unfortunately, experienced F\O's are the ones who are bearing the brunt of this little game of expat hide and seek. Hopefully things will clear up IF DGCA stand its grounds on the expats leaving.
But then again do we really want the expats to go cos all we can hope for is a bunch of smoking holes in the ground.
Things are not looking good for F\O's right now as the supplementary income through expat hiring is forecast to end by 2010 so they are trying to make the best of the situation they are in. Unfortunately, experienced F\O's are the ones who are bearing the brunt of this little game of expat hide and seek. Hopefully things will clear up IF DGCA stand its grounds on the expats leaving.
But then again do we really want the expats to go cos all we can hope for is a bunch of smoking holes in the ground.
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Here there are so many poor 250 hour wonders wondering whether they will every get a job in their lifetime... and on the other hand there are Indian F/Os crying that they are not getting upgraded and that their salaries are not as high as the expat's pay !! 
.And when we are getting ahead we want to get there now....We are all as%h%l%s
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Stick together
Gentlemen, instead of pulling each other down let us concentrate on the real issues out here.
1. it is true that Indigo is shafting its Indian pilots. They have been doing this right from the beginning but the difference now is that they have started shafting the expats also. The advantage the expats have is that their contracts are much better than the Indians. The most important being that they have to just give a three month notice and it is same from the company side. The newer contract is even better, both have to just give one month notice either way. Try joining any foriegn airline and when they hear that we have a six month contract, there eyes roll heavenwards they lose interest very fast. And this six month notice is enforced by DGCA and condoned by the courts. This is India.
Now, your VP Ops has convinced the management to talk to QATAR to not take their pilots. If we think it is only QATAR, wait and see. Etihad is coming soon and there are going to be other airlines too. It is dirty out their. It is unethical on part of the VP, it is even more unethical and unprofessional on part of QATAR.
Now some of you will say this happens. My point is that instead of doing this if Indigo does something to get its pilots loyalty, no one will leave. But if they keep on withdrawing everything quoting "your Pilot Agreenment para -- states" that and then end it by saying that "if you don't do this we will kick you" who would want to stay.
All contracts are an expression of trust and they are not to be used to just withdraw things or threaten you. But what do you expect from a man who has been a union leader and has always fought with the management. Today he can't quote the contract to the management so he does the thing which gives him maximum pleasure knowing fully well that right now people will just lump it because of the market conditions. And he was supposed to be a pilots' man.
Air cowboy. Nothing personal. Pilots are all not fools or want to run the company into the ground. Sure the company must be tough, but to be downright mean and petty is not acceptable. I don't want my company to be like Indian Airline, but there is a way to do things and a language to use. In the Indian aviation industry the Indigo pilots are the most hard worked and the least rewarded, not only in pay but in perks also. Yes we are all happy that we have a job but when they start playing with your dignity it hurts. Eg, the dress code, do they follow it themselves. So many other things but it is not the time or place. Read 1984 by George Orwell. All animals are equal but some are more equal.
av8r76. Don't be too fooled by the expat talk that there are going to be holes in the ground if they go. Easyjet also hires fresh 250 hrs people. I have flown with one who had less than 500 hrs total time and they sent him here. No great shakes. Most of our young chaps are better. Some have an attitude problem but the Capt can and does sort them out.
All said and done a sobering thought. Indigo is the best managed aviation company in India. Just imagine what it is like at other places. But don't confuse good management with a company being good for the pilots or its other employees. Everyone in Indigo works with a feeling of fear. Talk sometimes to the ground personnel around you and you will know that they are in the same boat.
Things are not going to improve too fast in the Indian aviation industry. All of us open our mail everyday with a feeling of what today. i have come to dread the NOTAC / C NOTAM. And we are not the only people who read them. Every one in the company reads them and laughs.
So don't pull each other down. Get together and support each other. At least give a willing ear and if you want to disagree don't do it Indigo style, do it politely.
If I am not polite enough, I am ready to improve.
Cheers and blue skies, long runways and safe landings always.
1. it is true that Indigo is shafting its Indian pilots. They have been doing this right from the beginning but the difference now is that they have started shafting the expats also. The advantage the expats have is that their contracts are much better than the Indians. The most important being that they have to just give a three month notice and it is same from the company side. The newer contract is even better, both have to just give one month notice either way. Try joining any foriegn airline and when they hear that we have a six month contract, there eyes roll heavenwards they lose interest very fast. And this six month notice is enforced by DGCA and condoned by the courts. This is India.
Now, your VP Ops has convinced the management to talk to QATAR to not take their pilots. If we think it is only QATAR, wait and see. Etihad is coming soon and there are going to be other airlines too. It is dirty out their. It is unethical on part of the VP, it is even more unethical and unprofessional on part of QATAR.
Now some of you will say this happens. My point is that instead of doing this if Indigo does something to get its pilots loyalty, no one will leave. But if they keep on withdrawing everything quoting "your Pilot Agreenment para -- states" that and then end it by saying that "if you don't do this we will kick you" who would want to stay.
All contracts are an expression of trust and they are not to be used to just withdraw things or threaten you. But what do you expect from a man who has been a union leader and has always fought with the management. Today he can't quote the contract to the management so he does the thing which gives him maximum pleasure knowing fully well that right now people will just lump it because of the market conditions. And he was supposed to be a pilots' man.
Air cowboy. Nothing personal. Pilots are all not fools or want to run the company into the ground. Sure the company must be tough, but to be downright mean and petty is not acceptable. I don't want my company to be like Indian Airline, but there is a way to do things and a language to use. In the Indian aviation industry the Indigo pilots are the most hard worked and the least rewarded, not only in pay but in perks also. Yes we are all happy that we have a job but when they start playing with your dignity it hurts. Eg, the dress code, do they follow it themselves. So many other things but it is not the time or place. Read 1984 by George Orwell. All animals are equal but some are more equal.
av8r76. Don't be too fooled by the expat talk that there are going to be holes in the ground if they go. Easyjet also hires fresh 250 hrs people. I have flown with one who had less than 500 hrs total time and they sent him here. No great shakes. Most of our young chaps are better. Some have an attitude problem but the Capt can and does sort them out.
All said and done a sobering thought. Indigo is the best managed aviation company in India. Just imagine what it is like at other places. But don't confuse good management with a company being good for the pilots or its other employees. Everyone in Indigo works with a feeling of fear. Talk sometimes to the ground personnel around you and you will know that they are in the same boat.
Things are not going to improve too fast in the Indian aviation industry. All of us open our mail everyday with a feeling of what today. i have come to dread the NOTAC / C NOTAM. And we are not the only people who read them. Every one in the company reads them and laughs.
So don't pull each other down. Get together and support each other. At least give a willing ear and if you want to disagree don't do it Indigo style, do it politely.
If I am not polite enough, I am ready to improve.
Cheers and blue skies, long runways and safe landings always.
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Well written "flying solo".
After reading the things written by the fellows B4 your post, regarding Mahatma Gandhi and greed and fellows with 250 hours trying to better themselves and how they should just be happy in the right seat of An A/C, just because there are others without jobs yet....
Your post was a refreshing change....
If more people in India actually acted in the way you have written....things would be much better.....
For "agent 123"
(The thing is.....If Qatar picked up a few indigo guys for jobs, then there would actually be openings @ Indigo for the 250 hour guys without jobs yet....so in actuallity, by allowing Qatar to interview Indigo guys, it will help those unemployed folks in India.....hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm).
After reading the things written by the fellows B4 your post, regarding Mahatma Gandhi and greed and fellows with 250 hours trying to better themselves and how they should just be happy in the right seat of An A/C, just because there are others without jobs yet....
Your post was a refreshing change....
If more people in India actually acted in the way you have written....things would be much better.....
For "agent 123"
(The thing is.....If Qatar picked up a few indigo guys for jobs, then there would actually be openings @ Indigo for the 250 hour guys without jobs yet....so in actuallity, by allowing Qatar to interview Indigo guys, it will help those unemployed folks in India.....hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm).
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av8r76. Don't be too fooled by the expat talk that there are going to be holes in the ground if they go.
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As a persons career/life progresses, the needs and desires to ensure fulfillment of the same changes.
A person waiting on the sidelines just wants the RHS job really bad.
A person with 3000 hrs has been there done that. Time for him/her to move on to the left (provided he/she is ready, ofcourse). So don't shoot down the F/O's who are being shafted by mgmt by their vested interests.
And as rightly mentioned earlier, an upgraded Indian FO means a hired 250 hr RHS.
You got your license when, yesterday? I got mine in 97 and broke through after 10 years. So don't come preaching to me about your sorry state, cos I know exactly what it's like. It sucks hard core, but the cyclical nature of the industry is such that you have to have patience for the right time and place.
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I don't get this, Why does QR even have to listen to IndiGo, or is it just yet another case of someone shooting their mouth off at Indigo trying to act like a bully (I remember Jet Airways did that a couple of years ago with Oman Air, and they asked Jet to sod off).
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QATAR
The news that Qatar is not taking Indigo pilots did not come from indigo. Rather it came from Qatar and has been confirmed from more than one source.
Sometimes real life is unreal.
What people are waiting and watching is what indigo does, when other Airlines, which are expected in the next few months, come to India.
That dear friends is the moment of truth.
Sometimes real life is unreal.
What people are waiting and watching is what indigo does, when other Airlines, which are expected in the next few months, come to India.
That dear friends is the moment of truth.
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Hey, I have 1000 Hours total and 400 hours of Jet on a Medium Jet Aircrat (22,000 KGS). I am just leaving my coporate job in India. I have passed all my papers, and am just submiting my documents to the DGCA for my Indian License. I realize that there are lot of copilots on the ground, but I have 4 times as much experience and Jet Experience. Will Indigo, Spice, or Go hire me in the next 6 months? Anybody know?
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Try these airlines, in the following order:
1. Indigo
2. Air India Express
2. Spice
3. Paramount
4. Go Air
All the best!
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1. Indigo
2. Air India Express
2. Spice
3. Paramount
4. Go Air
All the best!
[email protected]
