Near Miss at Mumbai Airport
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Near Miss at Mumbai Airport
An Airbus 321 of Air India escaped a collission with a helicopter which landed on the runway as the plane was on the take off roll. Quick thinking by an alert Captain avoided a major tragedy. It seems that the ATC 
up, permitting the Airbus to take off and the helo to land, at the same time.
Good job by the pilot. He saved a lot of lives.
Major mishap averted at Mumbai airport-Mumbai-Cities-The Times of India
up, permitting the Airbus to take off and the helo to land, at the same time.Good job by the pilot. He saved a lot of lives.
Major mishap averted at Mumbai airport-Mumbai-Cities-The Times of India
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"Meanwhile, an official spokesperson of the President said that "Everything is perfectly fine. The President was attending her normal functions."
So i'm alright, Jack/ie
So i'm alright, Jack/ie
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Pilot of Airbus-321 Captain S S Kohli wondered how the chopper landed when he had been given a clearance by the ATC to take off. "The chopper just landed without taking a landing clearance. I cannot say much more," he said.
An IAF spokesman said in New Delhi, "the pilots of the chopper had followed the instructions from Bombay approach meticulously. The Presidential entourage was cleared to take off from INS Kunjali and land at Santa Cruz between two taxiways".
An IAF spokesman said in New Delhi, "the pilots of the chopper had followed the instructions from Bombay approach meticulously. The Presidential entourage was cleared to take off from INS Kunjali and land at Santa Cruz between two taxiways".
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They said the Air Traffic Control had given clearance for the helicopter to land but simultaneously gave take off permission to the Air India flight.
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Mumbai international aiport authorities did not comment on the incident, saying that, "this is purely an issue concerning the Mumbai Air Traffic Control, which had allowed both the landing and the take off."
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Thats why.
They said the Air Traffic Control had given clearance for the helicopter to land but simultaneously gave take off permission to the Air India flight.
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Mumbai international aiport authorities did not comment on the incident, saying that, "this is purely an issue concerning the Mumbai Air Traffic Control, which had allowed both the landing and the take off."
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Thats why.
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criss,
Have you operated into BOM? if you had, I suspect you would not have asked the question.
The ATC service into Mumbai is interesting to say the least. Definately the sort of place where one needs to be on ones toes - especially arriving after a night flight.
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Have you operated into BOM? if you had, I suspect you would not have asked the question.
The ATC service into Mumbai is interesting to say the least. Definately the sort of place where one needs to be on ones toes - especially arriving after a night flight.
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Passing judgement and apportioning blame based on what journalist report in their newspapers is not a very good advice, especially in India.
Rvv400 : there are may reasons why a Heli would land (approach would be more correct ) on a runway instead of " anywhere" in an airport, what was the visi that day would be a good one.
Rvv400 : there are may reasons why a Heli would land (approach would be more correct ) on a runway instead of " anywhere" in an airport, what was the visi that day would be a good one.
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Good job Capt.Kohli
.......and yes never go by what the Indian press tells you , an average reporter doesn't even know the difference between a B 737 and an A 320 ..
.......and yes never go by what the Indian press tells you , an average reporter doesn't even know the difference between a B 737 and an A 320 ..
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I agree. Lots of factual errors in the report.
AlFakhem, the helicopter with the President was probably landing at BOM for her to board the Air Force plane taking her to Gujarat.
I thought the airspace is closed during VIP operations in and out of an airfield.
Alt3.
AlFakhem, the helicopter with the President was probably landing at BOM for her to board the Air Force plane taking her to Gujarat.
I thought the airspace is closed during VIP operations in and out of an airfield.
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Another near miss
In the Northeast when an Air India B 737 and a IAF fighter plane were on collision course at 16,000 feet and both had to take evasive action. ATC muck up again.
Near-miss again: IAF plane gets too close to AI jet-India-The Times of India
Near-miss again: IAF plane gets too close to AI jet-India-The Times of India
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Why am i not surprised!!!
I think that now DGCA should do something about the safety in india....
Although i have heard that the JORHAT airspace is under Air force control and the ATC was also an air-force officer....
But still india should shed it's bureaucracy and work practically.
The Hindu : Magazine / Issues : Indian aviation’s clouded vision
I think that now DGCA should do something about the safety in india....
Although i have heard that the JORHAT airspace is under Air force control and the ATC was also an air-force officer....
But still india should shed it's bureaucracy and work practically.
The Hindu : Magazine / Issues : Indian aviation’s clouded vision
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Do indian political leaders/DGCA/AAI care about safety or it's all about money for them.
For the full story try the link below
ICAO India Audit Faults Safety, Training | AVIATION WEEK
ICAO told India in an audit 18 months ago that it was below world averages on primary aviation legislation, safety oversight of airlines and the qualifications and training of its technical personnel.
India responded with initial legislation to expand the powers of the country’s aviation regulatory authority — the office of the Director General of Civil Aviation (DGCA). But a review of the ICAO’s findings by Aviation Week & Space Technology observes that many issues raised by the audit, which was conducted in October 2006 and delivered last July, have gone unanswered. Chances of significant action in the near future are unlikely because political leaders are focused on elections less than a year away.
India responded with initial legislation to expand the powers of the country’s aviation regulatory authority — the office of the Director General of Civil Aviation (DGCA). But a review of the ICAO’s findings by Aviation Week & Space Technology observes that many issues raised by the audit, which was conducted in October 2006 and delivered last July, have gone unanswered. Chances of significant action in the near future are unlikely because political leaders are focused on elections less than a year away.
ICAO India Audit Faults Safety, Training | AVIATION WEEK
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Before we rush to judgement about the ATC guy in this case, let us remember that there is a strong possibility of pilot error. The IL76 is Russian aircraft and is instrumented in the metric system. Which means that their altimeters are in meters and ASIs in KM. The pilots have to use conversion charts to figure out flight levels. In fact, if memory serves me right, this was the underlying cause of the IL76 (belonging to an ex Soviet Republic country) and the Saudia 747 collision near Delhi in the late nineties.
Just food for thought.
Alt3.
Before we rush to judgement about the ATC guy in this case, let us remember that there is a strong possibility of pilot error. The IL76 is Russian aircraft and is instrumented in the metric system. Which means that their altimeters are in meters and ASIs in KM. The pilots have to use conversion charts to figure out flight levels. In fact, if memory serves me right, this was the underlying cause of the IL76 (belonging to an ex Soviet Republic country) and the Saudia 747 collision near Delhi in the late nineties.
Just food for thought.
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The Juhu Aerodrome has generally been the place for helos to land in Mumbai.
Ever since a collision over Juhu airport between two helos trying to land at sunset, The great Indian DGCA
decreed that they have to land at Mumbai airport after sunset.
Nevertheless, This was a high security flight with the Indian prez on board, So Mumbai airport was the imperative choice for the IAF helos to land...
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Ever since a collision over Juhu airport between two helos trying to land at sunset, The great Indian DGCA
decreed that they have to land at Mumbai airport after sunset.Nevertheless, This was a high security flight with the Indian prez on board, So Mumbai airport was the imperative choice for the IAF helos to land...
Regards,
ASM
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With regards to the B747 and IL 76 collision over Delhi,
The Great circus called the DGCA was quick enough to put the blame on the Kazakh crew citing confusion over units...
The pilots are dead.....Every aviation agency would do its part to steer itself clear of controversy..
With the growing instances of near misses, I wonder whether the Kazakh crew was at fault at all ?
With the severe shortage of trained ATCO's the skies over India have definitely become dangerous....
The Great circus called the DGCA was quick enough to put the blame on the Kazakh crew citing confusion over units...
The pilots are dead.....Every aviation agency would do its part to steer itself clear of controversy..
With the growing instances of near misses, I wonder whether the Kazakh crew was at fault at all ?
With the severe shortage of trained ATCO's the skies over India have definitely become dangerous....
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VT-ASM:
Don't disagree with you about the DGCA. However, in the Charkhi Dadri collision, I do believe it was established that there was a confusion in the Kazakh flight deck over the units.And not just by the DGCA.
After all, even Russian aircraft, running on steam guages and coal do have CVRs and FDRs--------.
All I am saying is that as acommunity pilots tend to defend our own. That is a good trait. However, every once in a while we must acknowledge that some of us are human and can screw up.
Alt3
Don't disagree with you about the DGCA. However, in the Charkhi Dadri collision, I do believe it was established that there was a confusion in the Kazakh flight deck over the units.And not just by the DGCA.
After all, even Russian aircraft, running on steam guages and coal do have CVRs and FDRs--------.
All I am saying is that as acommunity pilots tend to defend our own. That is a good trait. However, every once in a while we must acknowledge that some of us are human and can screw up.
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Pilots screw up.... yes. But I believe that almost every accident/incident doesn't necessarily have a smoking gun.
A lot of mishaps are a result of a long line events which culminate to a situation where lives are lost or close to it.
Lack of infrastructure, inefficient/contradictory procedures (maintenance and operational), fatigue, crm, training... the list goes on.... these are all factors contributory to all the stats we dread.
In aviation, the Swiss cheese theory has great ramifications and we can all be victim to it without ever having a clue. Luck, unfortunately, does play a big role in our industry.
Thankfully, the holes didn't line up in this case.... if the vis was bad, no W, a fault with the braking system of the IC a/c..... again, the list goes on.
As far as Bombay is concerned, someone screwed up in a humongous fashion. But I would question why it happened rather than what happened. And instead of nailing the poor sods to the cross, maybe corrective training, or just a complete revamp of the training progress or the outlook towards how traffic is handled in India needs to be looked at.
Human error is inevitable. It is our collective job to find a way to minimize it and establish enough checks and balances to leverage the mitigating factors which result in disasters.
A lot of mishaps are a result of a long line events which culminate to a situation where lives are lost or close to it.
Lack of infrastructure, inefficient/contradictory procedures (maintenance and operational), fatigue, crm, training... the list goes on.... these are all factors contributory to all the stats we dread.
In aviation, the Swiss cheese theory has great ramifications and we can all be victim to it without ever having a clue. Luck, unfortunately, does play a big role in our industry.
Thankfully, the holes didn't line up in this case.... if the vis was bad, no W, a fault with the braking system of the IC a/c..... again, the list goes on.
As far as Bombay is concerned, someone screwed up in a humongous fashion. But I would question why it happened rather than what happened. And instead of nailing the poor sods to the cross, maybe corrective training, or just a complete revamp of the training progress or the outlook towards how traffic is handled in India needs to be looked at.
Human error is inevitable. It is our collective job to find a way to minimize it and establish enough checks and balances to leverage the mitigating factors which result in disasters.