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If u go, enjoy, just remember..
It's not a career. No upgrades for expats. A few have gotten it, but 99.9% do not.
You are only good until your next contract date. They will not carry u through the tough time in most cases. How will you get a job as a high time FO when the industry goes into contraction like it does? Then when times are tough.. You might get 1 year contracts... Always in fear of being sacrificed at the next round.
Expats do not have labor law protections in Taiwan, so you do not get redundancy pay. If you challenge in court as some have done, it is simply stated that the labor laws of Taiwan apply to Nationals only. Yet they make the law of jurisdiction Taiwan! There is a reason the companies like to hire direct and not via agency. Think about that.
No pension accumulation.
Poor or no LoL insurance.
No edu allowance for your kids. American school costs 20k usd/ year.
20% tax in Taiwan(a bit lower for an FO)
Unless you move there, only about a week a month at home.
This is not complaining, I worked there and enjoyed it, as long as you take it for what it is.
Suggestions:
Try and go through an agency.
Try to make the law of jurisdiction your home county. (seems reasonable but they will never tell you the real reason they can't do that because your not supposed to know else you might not take the job!)
Have a lawyer look at the contract. (and watch him laugh his pants off!)
If your an FO for life, try Korean. At least they are up front about it and write a proper agreement.
If you go... Study your bag off and know every detail. EVERYthing. Jeppesson, ICAO doc4444, JARs etc. Never call sick, and never complain. Then you might have a chance even if your miserable after a few years. And you will be.
Last, consider the facts. 99% of expats left. Take that at face value and what it must mean. Everyone complain about their employer, but just take the actual numbers for people who walk as a measure of whether you want to work somewhere.
Good luck!
It's not a career. No upgrades for expats. A few have gotten it, but 99.9% do not.
You are only good until your next contract date. They will not carry u through the tough time in most cases. How will you get a job as a high time FO when the industry goes into contraction like it does? Then when times are tough.. You might get 1 year contracts... Always in fear of being sacrificed at the next round.
Expats do not have labor law protections in Taiwan, so you do not get redundancy pay. If you challenge in court as some have done, it is simply stated that the labor laws of Taiwan apply to Nationals only. Yet they make the law of jurisdiction Taiwan! There is a reason the companies like to hire direct and not via agency. Think about that.
No pension accumulation.
Poor or no LoL insurance.
No edu allowance for your kids. American school costs 20k usd/ year.
20% tax in Taiwan(a bit lower for an FO)
Unless you move there, only about a week a month at home.
This is not complaining, I worked there and enjoyed it, as long as you take it for what it is.
Suggestions:
Try and go through an agency.
Try to make the law of jurisdiction your home county. (seems reasonable but they will never tell you the real reason they can't do that because your not supposed to know else you might not take the job!)
Have a lawyer look at the contract. (and watch him laugh his pants off!)
If your an FO for life, try Korean. At least they are up front about it and write a proper agreement.
If you go... Study your bag off and know every detail. EVERYthing. Jeppesson, ICAO doc4444, JARs etc. Never call sick, and never complain. Then you might have a chance even if your miserable after a few years. And you will be.
Last, consider the facts. 99% of expats left. Take that at face value and what it must mean. Everyone complain about their employer, but just take the actual numbers for people who walk as a measure of whether you want to work somewhere.
Good luck!
The best advise I can give to anyone considering to join CAL or EVA Air is just STAY AWAY OF TAIWAN!!!!
They hire expats only to complete their cockpits until their own "four eyes" ab-initio First Officers are ready to take your seat.
They hire expats only to complete their cockpits until their own "four eyes" ab-initio First Officers are ready to take your seat.
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Cosmic is totally right... They blow ice-cream up your rear at the start because by getting you they can quickly increase their revenue more quickly. Why do they do it, because the Local management don't care about the fellow nationals as much as they care about their bonus. It's despicable. Sell your own down the river for your own gain, and lie lie lie to get the foreigner in the profit seat. But make no mistake.... They have NO intention of keeping you or have a greater plan. They lied to me so many times about how "everyone is treated equally" and "your part of the family"... Just to keep me in the seat. Luckily I am out now, and soo much happier. Taiwanese people in general are very nice, but if your in their country taking there jobs, then the attitude changes. I know what you are going to think next... So I will pre-empt. In my country there are healthy human rights laws, and a robust Asian community. Taiwanese can and do live amongst us, and are treated with equal respect. However expats CANNOT become Taiwanese nationals. Human rights laws in Taiwan run only one way...
So if u go... Go with a healthy warning. But I agree with Cosmic. Stay away if you have a choice!
That said I know most looking to go there will choose to poo-poo the warnings and go anyway as I did. As they say.. A fool is born every minute, and this time it's YOU... If your considering going to work there.
So if u go... Go with a healthy warning. But I agree with Cosmic. Stay away if you have a choice!
That said I know most looking to go there will choose to poo-poo the warnings and go anyway as I did. As they say.. A fool is born every minute, and this time it's YOU... If your considering going to work there.
