SIA not renewing 70% Expat Contracts
winglet - good point - and how many A330's are they getting in the next month or so!!
Hazard a guess that the aircraft to be parked will be a few 744's and a few of the more tired 777's. Lets not forget that the crew compliment is a captain and a FO, so by all accounts they are going to be way overstaffed on FO's in the near future, if sniffer is on target.
Contract renewals for expats in the next 6 months will be interesting.
Hazard a guess that the aircraft to be parked will be a few 744's and a few of the more tired 777's. Lets not forget that the crew compliment is a captain and a FO, so by all accounts they are going to be way overstaffed on FO's in the near future, if sniffer is on target.
Contract renewals for expats in the next 6 months will be interesting.
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Dont get killed in the stampede to brown nose on the 4th floor..Its a sad fact that the SQ expats will loose any dignity they may have left in order to preserve number 1.
sycophantic behavior will be the norm. Watch the expat moaners attendances balloon at the next 777 fleet meeting
sycophantic behavior will be the norm. Watch the expat moaners attendances balloon at the next 777 fleet meeting
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A possibility...
Per CDRW's post, we have 14 B744 passenger airframes, all of which were to be retired by 2011.
Chew Choon Seng announced 17 airframes will be retired in the coming period from April '08 to March '09.
It may be highly likely that 14 of the 17 will be B744 passenger airframes, leaving three additional airframes to park; probably the older B777's.
Not good for B744 Mailine expats, or for B777 expats with contracts pending that may not be renewed.
B744 Mainline locals will not be retrenched. They will go to the new planes on the way.
This is just my two cents...
For what it's worth, there's a ray of sunshine in every cloud. I don't see it yet, but it's there. Good luck in pulling a positive out of this difficult situ.
Chew Choon Seng announced 17 airframes will be retired in the coming period from April '08 to March '09.
It may be highly likely that 14 of the 17 will be B744 passenger airframes, leaving three additional airframes to park; probably the older B777's.
Not good for B744 Mailine expats, or for B777 expats with contracts pending that may not be renewed.
B744 Mainline locals will not be retrenched. They will go to the new planes on the way.
This is just my two cents...
For what it's worth, there's a ray of sunshine in every cloud. I don't see it yet, but it's there. Good luck in pulling a positive out of this difficult situ.
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Hey Parabellum ; wouldn't you like to know…
But anyway, to satisfy your curiosity I think we both plodded the sandpit at GF ….LOL
What I think is disgraceful is SIA leaving it to the last minute to tell the pilots that their contracts are not going to be extended, knowing full well that the chances of a successful rehiring are very slim in the present market conditions. These guys served SIA with the utmost loyalty and professionalism for many years. I think they deserved a better treatement.
But anyway, to satisfy your curiosity I think we both plodded the sandpit at GF ….LOL
What I think is disgraceful is SIA leaving it to the last minute to tell the pilots that their contracts are not going to be extended, knowing full well that the chances of a successful rehiring are very slim in the present market conditions. These guys served SIA with the utmost loyalty and professionalism for many years. I think they deserved a better treatement.
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Depends how you look at it JG. They can't tell the pilots anything until the final decision has been made to reduce capacity and that has only been announced this week. That said, a good friend of mine who's contract is due for renewal, he hopes, has been well aware for some time that it might not happen and has been casting around to test the market.
Airlines are not set up to cater to expat pilots.
Well said CDRW, I gave up on an appropriate response to his/her ramblings!
Airlines are not set up to cater to expat pilots.
Well said CDRW, I gave up on an appropriate response to his/her ramblings!
JetG and para - you both have good points - as I said before this is the downside of an expat contract. However I hear some of the contract pilots may preempt the strike and get employ elsewhere. Basically if your contract expires this year, 3 months before that day give yourself notice !!
Para - I see that the either the site modulators or the sniveling fool Mujalah have removed his post. I have a copy of it, if anyone interested!
Para - I see that the either the site modulators or the sniveling fool Mujalah have removed his post. I have a copy of it, if anyone interested!
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Heard from a reliable source that those given notice of less than three months of non-renewal will be employed to the last day of contract but continue to be paid beyond the contract expiry, housing and education allowance included, until three months have elapsed from the time he was informed of his contract non-renewal.
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The sooner folks stop clutching at straws and raising hopes, counting bodies and airframe numbers, the better off you will be. Do positive and proactive things for yourselves and about yourselves, instead of moaning and complaining about the Company, or comparing contracts to see who stays and who goes. Convert all that negative energy into something more useful and that can fetch some good results.
No one is going to teach you what to do. One thing you can do is to make yourself more desirable to the Company - make yourself more indispensable so that you will not be the first to go. There has been an increase in the "free labour movement" - more and more people are joning the various groups created to provide free service and expertise. Boot-licking is older than the oldest profession, and will make you stand out to all - that's all it does, obviously without foundation or value. Few will suggest to you what you should do; it is the survival of the fittest at a time like this.
Those who gripe about the company not giving them more notice about their concluding contracts are just moaners. They are so short sighted that they have stopped thinking. Even if the Company had given them 9 months notice prior to now, they would not have secured jobs. Even if they obtained an offer, it might have been reneged by now; or if they are new employees, they would be in a tenous position now being among the most junior in their new company that would most likely be reducing numbers.
Almost all airlines have stopped recruiting and are doing the opposite to reduce numbers. Those that are recruiting at a time like this were the last resorts of yesterday; and should be considered only if you cannot afford to be un-employed. I leave you to figure out why they were the last resorts.
Those who say that SIA is not a reliable employer for the expats and telling all the expats not to come in future, hoping that the Company will reconsider their present employment, are only wasting their time and effort. When better times come around and SIA starts recruiting foreign workers again, do you think people the world over will remember this? The fact is, there will be no lack of numbers, period.
Don't blame the Company or anyone else. Do yourself a favour, no one's going to help you, you just have to help yourself, that's all.
No one is going to teach you what to do. One thing you can do is to make yourself more desirable to the Company - make yourself more indispensable so that you will not be the first to go. There has been an increase in the "free labour movement" - more and more people are joning the various groups created to provide free service and expertise. Boot-licking is older than the oldest profession, and will make you stand out to all - that's all it does, obviously without foundation or value. Few will suggest to you what you should do; it is the survival of the fittest at a time like this.
Those who gripe about the company not giving them more notice about their concluding contracts are just moaners. They are so short sighted that they have stopped thinking. Even if the Company had given them 9 months notice prior to now, they would not have secured jobs. Even if they obtained an offer, it might have been reneged by now; or if they are new employees, they would be in a tenous position now being among the most junior in their new company that would most likely be reducing numbers.
Almost all airlines have stopped recruiting and are doing the opposite to reduce numbers. Those that are recruiting at a time like this were the last resorts of yesterday; and should be considered only if you cannot afford to be un-employed. I leave you to figure out why they were the last resorts.
Those who say that SIA is not a reliable employer for the expats and telling all the expats not to come in future, hoping that the Company will reconsider their present employment, are only wasting their time and effort. When better times come around and SIA starts recruiting foreign workers again, do you think people the world over will remember this? The fact is, there will be no lack of numbers, period.
Don't blame the Company or anyone else. Do yourself a favour, no one's going to help you, you just have to help yourself, that's all.
Southernm.. somewhere in your ramblings is this line "make yourself more indispensable so that you will not be the first to go." Not sure if you are in the airline, but how the ef does one make themselves "indespensable" as an expat. Have you achieved this exulted status? Maybe your a LIP, a CRM facilitator, a brown nosing boot licking guy with the airline, but you sure aint "indispensable" to this airline. You might not be the first "to go" if your'e a 4th floor lurking, CRM spouting lizard, but you will be the second.
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Southern Lecture
Wow Southern, You do have yourself ontop of a high hill over there on the East Coast.
I think you have never ever lost your job before, hence the ability to live in dreamland. Do you know what it's like to have 3mths notice to leave your job, leave the country, leave your friends,pack up the family and pets, move to another country or back to your homeland with no income. No i don't think so.
All the genuine expat posters on here who work for Sia, no matter what their views or expressions they hold, are a very worried lot at this time. Posting on here is maybe a release, while underwater they are, and maybe havebeen, looking elsewhere for along time.
Your lecture helps no one, just your own ego.
And by the way, if you were at yesterdays meeting, you would have heard the speech by a local sticking up for expats, which was applauded by all those present. So much for your statement, in a earlier post, that singaporeans hate expats.
See you on the 4th floor, when i get my marching orders.
I think you have never ever lost your job before, hence the ability to live in dreamland. Do you know what it's like to have 3mths notice to leave your job, leave the country, leave your friends,pack up the family and pets, move to another country or back to your homeland with no income. No i don't think so.
All the genuine expat posters on here who work for Sia, no matter what their views or expressions they hold, are a very worried lot at this time. Posting on here is maybe a release, while underwater they are, and maybe havebeen, looking elsewhere for along time.
Your lecture helps no one, just your own ego.
And by the way, if you were at yesterdays meeting, you would have heard the speech by a local sticking up for expats, which was applauded by all those present. So much for your statement, in a earlier post, that singaporeans hate expats.
See you on the 4th floor, when i get my marching orders.
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Qatar Flight Crew Vacancies
Hi Guys,
Just saw an adv on the Straits Times recruit section about Qatar Airways conducting walk-in interview for flight crew positions, in Singapore from the 2nd till the 6th of Mar 2009. Check it out.... and no harm trying to see for opportunities.
as stated in the previous postings from other members, its up to individual to seek for advancement rather then sitting and complaining about airlines. We must make it happen ourselves!
Cheers,
Great way to fly
Just saw an adv on the Straits Times recruit section about Qatar Airways conducting walk-in interview for flight crew positions, in Singapore from the 2nd till the 6th of Mar 2009. Check it out.... and no harm trying to see for opportunities.
as stated in the previous postings from other members, its up to individual to seek for advancement rather then sitting and complaining about airlines. We must make it happen ourselves!
Cheers,
Great way to fly
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You sound pretty scared, Southern Mountain.
No shame there, but I think folks hold each other in higher regard if a little dignity is maintained.
Someone once said it's better to die on your feet than live on your knees.
SQ isn't asking anyone to live on their knees, but you appear to be.
Get up.
Face the music with dignity.
No shame there, but I think folks hold each other in higher regard if a little dignity is maintained.
Someone once said it's better to die on your feet than live on your knees.
SQ isn't asking anyone to live on their knees, but you appear to be.
Get up.
Face the music with dignity.
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". . . Do yourself a favour, no one's going to help you, you just have to help yourself, that's all."
But gullible contractors with lofty expectations "trust" their contract and their foreign employer. They import high maintenance wives, kids and dogs; sign apt leases, buy furniture and put their kids in expensive private schools, as if there were some semblance of assured permanence.
I see guys blowing their hard earned cash on maintaining an elevated lifestyle, including frequent family travels to popular vacation hot spots, even as the world economy is spiraling down.
Many expats who work for a large established carrier somehow feel secure and insulated from the harsh global nightmare. And when suddenly the trap door opens: Boom. It's a personal cataclysmic event. No income. No immediate job prospects. Insufficient savings. No rights. Family upheaval in a foreign land.
It has been said before: Unless one is independently wealthy, any expat job is ok only if one is homeless, divorced with no kids.
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a bit extreme - if you fly for a living, you accept the risks associated with the job - we aren't the only professionals taking hits. Talked to anybody on wall street lately?.......
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wage freeze
Looks like ALPA-S is fighting a loosing battle (won few).
Two other big Unions has signed a wage freeze in JAN-09 and ALPA-S has just been informed of the 'latest' development.
hah! Screwed over 'again' !
not looking too good over here too.
btw: SI agreements with SIASU and AESU, they get 2.5% in 2009.
Only Pilots will get nothing in 2009.
Two other big Unions has signed a wage freeze in JAN-09 and ALPA-S has just been informed of the 'latest' development.
hah! Screwed over 'again' !
not looking too good over here too.
btw: SI agreements with SIASU and AESU, they get 2.5% in 2009.
Only Pilots will get nothing in 2009.
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glueball has said it all.As an expat/contractor you are a licence and a suitcase to the company.You have to spend your time saving as much of your income as possible to be ready for a rainy day.If you decide to be an expat you take the job that pays the most money to get out of there as soon as you can.Having prioritised your reasons for being there you then try to make the most of the existance.
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wage freeze
While the world is falling down in SQ, ALPS-S Directors are spending the weekend in Phuket…
It might be a good place to find ideas and solutions for our problems.
Wonder who is sponsoring this superfluous spree….
It might be a good place to find ideas and solutions for our problems.
Wonder who is sponsoring this superfluous spree….
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Is the world falling down on SQ? If it is, I dread to think what is to befall other carriers. Did not know alpas had directors. Some guys are going to Phuket but at their own expense.