SIA not renewing 70% Expat Contracts
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seems like j_d still dont get it. just walk into HR and say you want to be on local terms and you will be moved a bit further from the chopping board.
as for rdr, just just say his history of posts as been "interesting".
as for rdr, just just say his history of posts as been "interesting".
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Metro Man
How can a three year "National Terms" contract give you better security than a 5 year contract?
winglet_fever
A company that, at the time, was looking for 100 new expats.
Sonic69
The managenents argument for no pay increase in the latest CA (pay) negotiation was the the number on new expats willing to take the current conditions.
If you want a secure job with SIA, take local terms.
winglet_fever
As for the OBS pilots, have you heard about the payout SIA gave? Which other company in the world would do that?
Sonic69
I think arguments along the lines of "if it wasn't for expat pilots.........." shows immaturity.
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This would be the National Terms contract which should not be confused with local career employment terms. It's important to note that this is only a 3 year contract.
last week a mate of mine got from SQ his new contract proposal as expat and to his surprise all expat benefits (housing, schooling, home leave etc.) had been removed and the proposed contract was the same as the local pilots are getting.
A five year expat contract suits some people, eg late 50s retired from another airline and wants/needs to do a few more years before hanging up his wings and spending his days on the golf course. Or prehaps someone with a fixed term leave of absence and a job to go back to.
It is not suited to someone younger who wants to stay permanently without the risk of being laid of in downturns. For being expendable the expats got housing allowance, school fees and tickets home. Some may have enjoyed tax advantages by claiming non residence in Singapore.
For those with contracts not being renewed, work out how much more you got compared to local terms during your time with SIA. Prehaps it was worth it to you, prehaps not.
EK and others in the sand pit are still employing. EK do a nice package with housing, school fees etc and its open ended. Trade off being having to live in Dubai. CX aren't too bad if you can take HKG.
BA, QF etc offer local terms only. Singapore is a developed country and a pleasant, (though expensive) place to live. SIA obviously feel that because of this they don't have to pay quite such a premium to attract pilots.
It is not suited to someone younger who wants to stay permanently without the risk of being laid of in downturns. For being expendable the expats got housing allowance, school fees and tickets home. Some may have enjoyed tax advantages by claiming non residence in Singapore.
For those with contracts not being renewed, work out how much more you got compared to local terms during your time with SIA. Prehaps it was worth it to you, prehaps not.
EK and others in the sand pit are still employing. EK do a nice package with housing, school fees etc and its open ended. Trade off being having to live in Dubai. CX aren't too bad if you can take HKG.
BA, QF etc offer local terms only. Singapore is a developed country and a pleasant, (though expensive) place to live. SIA obviously feel that because of this they don't have to pay quite such a premium to attract pilots.
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777heavy, bro
try to be constructive. its an old trick to attack the person instead of addressing the facts, or providing solutions.
you probably will be the 1st one to **** in your pants and run to mama if your job is on the line, then we will ask you about teamwork.
a lot of these guys have families and aspirations just as any pilot has.
my advice to you is to go take a flying f... at the moon.
try to be constructive. its an old trick to attack the person instead of addressing the facts, or providing solutions.
you probably will be the 1st one to **** in your pants and run to mama if your job is on the line, then we will ask you about teamwork.
a lot of these guys have families and aspirations just as any pilot has.
my advice to you is to go take a flying f... at the moon.
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I may be a bit out of date on this but previously the actual contract document had very little to say about housing, provident fund etc. as all that information was contained in separate documents, including any training bonds. The contract of employment was quite brief.
Could all be different now!
Could all be different now!
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Hey Rdr,
You were spot on.I think the Raymond Goh episode was the best example of every man for himself.The old man and his cronnies kept tabs on Goh for months before they acted and when they did act everyone else were just mute spectators.The old man didn't really know the facts when he threw Goh out of the country.If every ball worthy man had stood by Goh then ,things would have been very different in SQ today.It's gonna be pretty hard to turn the tide now.
.....who knows the old man must be keeping tabs on me right now...yikes
You were spot on.I think the Raymond Goh episode was the best example of every man for himself.The old man and his cronnies kept tabs on Goh for months before they acted and when they did act everyone else were just mute spectators.The old man didn't really know the facts when he threw Goh out of the country.If every ball worthy man had stood by Goh then ,things would have been very different in SQ today.It's gonna be pretty hard to turn the tide now.
.....who knows the old man must be keeping tabs on me right now...yikes
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"Locals will bear the brunt of the cutbacks"
Linksys - Your post suggests you are well informed and have some substantiated knowledge? The 'alternative option' for expat Captains is probably SQ Cargo? that or leave.
Where is the excess manpower? sounds as though it may be in the F/O and S/O area in which case yes, locals will bear the brunt of the cutbacks, if SQ are short of or even have the right number of captains they are hardly likely to get rid of them if they have a surplus of F and S/Os that are not yet qualified for upgrade are they? Any locals that are retrenched will have the right, in law, to be re-employed as soon as conditions improve.
Perhaps you could enlarge on your statement that the locals will be the ones to go?
Linksys - Your post suggests you are well informed and have some substantiated knowledge? The 'alternative option' for expat Captains is probably SQ Cargo? that or leave.
Where is the excess manpower? sounds as though it may be in the F/O and S/O area in which case yes, locals will bear the brunt of the cutbacks, if SQ are short of or even have the right number of captains they are hardly likely to get rid of them if they have a surplus of F and S/Os that are not yet qualified for upgrade are they? Any locals that are retrenched will have the right, in law, to be re-employed as soon as conditions improve.
Perhaps you could enlarge on your statement that the locals will be the ones to go?
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No worries guys, here's job progression for those with enough left seat experience. Local terms though
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To EP & the rest
Its all very easy and comfortable to be seating on the other side of the fence and telling others to go find a job somewhere else!! Would love to see your reaction if you were on this side.... Remember, your comfortable position is not only based on merit but on the simple nationality factor. In fact the latest spate of incidents or near accidents on the B777 show the true merit of promotion based on this criteria ...
Its all very easy and comfortable to be seating on the other side of the fence and telling others to go find a job somewhere else!! Would love to see your reaction if you were on this side.... Remember, your comfortable position is not only based on merit but on the simple nationality factor. In fact the latest spate of incidents or near accidents on the B777 show the true merit of promotion based on this criteria ...