SIA not renewing 70% Expat Contracts
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Ground staff take 1 day No pay leave per month, cabin crew 1day no pay leave every month.
Tech crew proposed to take 3 days (Capt) and 4 days (FO) no pay leave per month.
Double standard?
Tech crew proposed to take 3 days (Capt) and 4 days (FO) no pay leave per month.
Double standard?
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Hi CDRW,
You really are a nasty little weed (a compliment given from Hayden to Harbajan Singh, what a nasty little sh## even belts his own team mates! ) I have read your previous posts and at best they would be considered racially biased at worst a complete Xenophobic extremist. Or perhaps we should name you what you really are a nasty sh*& stirring troll!
Look forward to your reply especially when you have supposed colleagues losing their jobs for f#$k sake, what is wrong with you!
You really are a nasty little weed (a compliment given from Hayden to Harbajan Singh, what a nasty little sh## even belts his own team mates! ) I have read your previous posts and at best they would be considered racially biased at worst a complete Xenophobic extremist. Or perhaps we should name you what you really are a nasty sh*& stirring troll!
Look forward to your reply especially when you have supposed colleagues losing their jobs for f#$k sake, what is wrong with you!
Wow Orang. Some one calls the expats in SIA "squealing fat cats", and you have a complete mental break down with me !!! Because I find the ironic humour in his post!! I can only assume you agree with that post! You poor sod. What is wrong with you!
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There are/were no expat 'Fat Cats' in SIA. SIA was a good airline that paid better than some and less than others but through judicious saving of salary, the CPF and the SIA Provident Fund, as well as some good bonus years, one would still never become a 'Fat Cat' - remember, SIA Sniffer was probably an expat FO, (a total sh*t contract) who didn't stay very long with SIA before either doing a runner or just leaving prematurely.
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Now come on children, stop playing " Local-Expats" games. You are both professionals in a hurting industry. Times for airlines are indeed bad. You may want to emphatise with each other instead, of the usual pilot style bitching.
The expats will always be there, and the locals will never be on equal terms.
The truth is that SIA-Temasek have made billions of dollars with all your hard work over many years. Even to the extent that they have managed to brainwash everyone of you that a profit of less than 1 billion is, in fact, a loss.
Where have all the assets gone ? A lot of it is still there. Will they give it to you and your families ? Not bloody likely. The scenario is called collective pain.
Nobody to stand up to them this time. So they will wean away at you till someone squeals. Then they will chop him, call time-out and throw a few scraps for the rest, and do some spring cleaning in time for the next CA.
Nothing has changed, or will, so get along.
The expats will always be there, and the locals will never be on equal terms.
The truth is that SIA-Temasek have made billions of dollars with all your hard work over many years. Even to the extent that they have managed to brainwash everyone of you that a profit of less than 1 billion is, in fact, a loss.
Where have all the assets gone ? A lot of it is still there. Will they give it to you and your families ? Not bloody likely. The scenario is called collective pain.
Nobody to stand up to them this time. So they will wean away at you till someone squeals. Then they will chop him, call time-out and throw a few scraps for the rest, and do some spring cleaning in time for the next CA.
Nothing has changed, or will, so get along.
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Retrenchments with a 1.2 billion Usd PROFIT???!!
Ok here are some facts.I fully agree with what rdr has to say.Just a coupla additions.
Cathay has reported a FY loss of over 1.2 billion USD and they aren't even considering cutting short ANY of the pilot's contracts.Leave alone terminating them! The only ones presumably under the scanner at CX are maybe the CC.Who too have a long ways to go before any pink slips are handed out.
Air India has reported a net loss of 1.1 billion USD and their pilots are amongst the highest paid in the world today.And living in a country where your 'bang for your buck' goes 3 times farther than anywhere else in the world.And just a week ago,the managment has considered a 10% salary cut for its senior execs only.That too only on the basic salary!
Emirates has been making a billion plus dollar loss for the past 12 months now(although there is a gag order within,not to even say the "L" word).And only last week have they announced a very marginal cut in hotel allowances for its pilots.
What on this earth makes SIA soo different,or should I say paranoid,that it starts cutting short pilot contracts,stops normal renewals of experienced captains' contracts,asks its pilots to take voluntary no pay leave and then forces them to take 3-4 days a month of compulsory no pay leave as compared to ONE day every 4 months for its CC(logistics aside)....!! And NOW are seriously considering retrenching its valuable expat pilot base.And ALL THIS WHEN ITS EXPECTED NET PROFITS ARE TO BE IN THE REGION OF 1.2 billion US dollars......!!!
Something doesn't make sense here.Something's drastically wrong with this......
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Needs to be looked into in detail.Microscopically....
And then rectified!
Cathay has reported a FY loss of over 1.2 billion USD and they aren't even considering cutting short ANY of the pilot's contracts.Leave alone terminating them! The only ones presumably under the scanner at CX are maybe the CC.Who too have a long ways to go before any pink slips are handed out.
Air India has reported a net loss of 1.1 billion USD and their pilots are amongst the highest paid in the world today.And living in a country where your 'bang for your buck' goes 3 times farther than anywhere else in the world.And just a week ago,the managment has considered a 10% salary cut for its senior execs only.That too only on the basic salary!
Emirates has been making a billion plus dollar loss for the past 12 months now(although there is a gag order within,not to even say the "L" word).And only last week have they announced a very marginal cut in hotel allowances for its pilots.
What on this earth makes SIA soo different,or should I say paranoid,that it starts cutting short pilot contracts,stops normal renewals of experienced captains' contracts,asks its pilots to take voluntary no pay leave and then forces them to take 3-4 days a month of compulsory no pay leave as compared to ONE day every 4 months for its CC(logistics aside)....!! And NOW are seriously considering retrenching its valuable expat pilot base.And ALL THIS WHEN ITS EXPECTED NET PROFITS ARE TO BE IN THE REGION OF 1.2 billion US dollars......!!!
Something doesn't make sense here.Something's drastically wrong with this......
.Needs to be looked into in detail.Microscopically....
And then rectified!
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king -where did you get your numbers on EK ? AGM at the end of the month and it wont be 1 Bil US loss and the slight change in hotel allowances is that, a slight change. hotel allowances is not a deal breaker at EK because they are only average at best
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"the slight change in hotel allowances is that,a slight change"......
That's just my point fatbus!!
With those kind of figures posted,EK makes just "a slight change" in their hotel allowances.
But a slightly different story with SIA.....don't u think.
My Fiscal Year figures are accurate.
That's just my point fatbus!!
With those kind of figures posted,EK makes just "a slight change" in their hotel allowances.
But a slightly different story with SIA.....don't u think.
My Fiscal Year figures are accurate.
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King sorry mate you got me confused now. EK has not posted any numbers yet, we will find out at the end of the month. The hotel changes are Honk Kong breakfast is now included and has restricted hours, meaning some of the big babies are crying about sleeping through it and the other is the 2nd daily Lagos, no money all meals provided and with a limited menu ( not totally sure on the details at Lagos)
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Thx PD,
Just when I was about to say "and that's how we drift off topic once again"...
Timely intervention.
There's a point in all of this FB.And its got nothing to do with the source of my numbers or those of anybody else's.Let's try and see the point we're all trying to make.Shall we...
Thanks.
Just when I was about to say "and that's how we drift off topic once again"...
Timely intervention.
There's a point in all of this FB.And its got nothing to do with the source of my numbers or those of anybody else's.Let's try and see the point we're all trying to make.Shall we...
Thanks.
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Forced unpaid leave is hardly leave, but there you are, SIA suck better than most. Wouldnt happen in the real world, where the same government that owns SIA also realishes a good Friday hang at Changi pen.
Yes I was wiv SQ, and it sucked even when it was good. I met all the skillful local boys, you know the types, Capt Kok iNG Aye Soc and Soh Ong.
All Pr1cks to white guys of course, but if I ever met em in a dark alley in SFO, I doubt they would be so plucky.
Now who's going to crew the A330,s? obviously the expats, after they are terminated, SIA will then offered them a dogs breakfast of a contract, worse than rubber dog sh1t cargo, and of course most will accept. As they always do.
The expat fat cats have many lives. I hear the poor sods are heading to the guttar, no doubt to watch a few more friday beheadings.
Yes I was wiv SQ, and it sucked even when it was good. I met all the skillful local boys, you know the types, Capt Kok iNG Aye Soc and Soh Ong.
All Pr1cks to white guys of course, but if I ever met em in a dark alley in SFO, I doubt they would be so plucky.
Now who's going to crew the A330,s? obviously the expats, after they are terminated, SIA will then offered them a dogs breakfast of a contract, worse than rubber dog sh1t cargo, and of course most will accept. As they always do.
The expat fat cats have many lives. I hear the poor sods are heading to the guttar, no doubt to watch a few more friday beheadings.
While we're on the topic, any ideas when the fourth quarter results are due out? Maybe better than expected/wanted? Meanwhile, the search for pilots to crew some flights continues....
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Quote "Meanwhile, the search for pilots to crew some flights continues...."
What exactly is that supposed to me.I'm sorry I lost u somewhere there.Could u pls elaborate on that statment.Thanks..
Quote "Meanwhile, the search for pilots to crew some flights continues...."
What exactly is that supposed to me.I'm sorry I lost u somewhere there.Could u pls elaborate on that statment.Thanks..
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SIA don't recruit SOs as such, they recruit and train cadets, with an eye to the future I would have thought they would have a continual training stream running as a cadet recruited today won't be productive for another two years, by then it could have all changed.
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I was told they have cut recruitment to around 50 - 60 cadets vs the usual 180 or so for the yr - only second hand info though. I had an SO on an observation flt to MNL - he said he finished the 777 ground school course in Oct '08 but won't start sims on the 777 until Sep '09 - that's a long pool....