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While they might be unlikely partners, the principals involved did in fact put their egos in check
The question is, for how long? Otherwise we'll have to wait for the dust to settle here ...
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Entire Kingfisher Operation Is Clueless
Never seen a airline in the world thats operated this way....
WOW. Let alone all the sick things they are doing to get expat out of here...Deccan pilots
. Everyone thinks that Mallya is all that....walk to walk...talk to talk...he is not the India rich boy as everyone thinks. Everything he is doing is going down hill..FAST. Want to raise...MONEY on new stocks.....WHY? Mallya...big and fast talker..nothing but full of 
. They are having problems meeting PAYROLL
on time...Oct 14th..expats haven't been payed yet....why? Not even following the rules of the contract. For the Indian pilots...wait until expats leave...what will your new salaries will be.....think hard, back to the good old days of few Rupesssss. Yeaaaa enjoy the KINGFISHER 
EXPERIENCE.....hehehe
WOW. Let alone all the sick things they are doing to get expat out of here...Deccan pilots. Everyone thinks that Mallya is all that....walk to walk...talk to talk...he is not the India rich boy as everyone thinks. Everything he is doing is going down hill..FAST. Want to raise...MONEY on new stocks.....WHY? Mallya...big and fast talker..nothing but full of . They are having problems meeting PAYROLL on time...Oct 14th..expats haven't been payed yet....why? Not even following the rules of the contract. For the Indian pilots...wait until expats leave...what will your new salaries will be.....think hard, back to the good old days of few Rupesssss. Yeaaaa enjoy the KINGFISHER EXPERIENCE.....hehehe
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king fisher 320
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For the Indian pilots...wait until expats leave...what will your new salaries will be.....think hard, back to the good old days of few Rupesssss
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well your salary is in dollors
go and get it
why you worry others salary
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For the Indian pilots...wait until expats leave...what will your new salaries will be.....think hard, back to the good old days of few Rupesssss
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well your salary is in dollors
go and get it
why you worry others salary
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Difference is...
Get Go
I want everyone to know the full TRUTH about whats going on with Kingfisher and incredable India....and Get Go...I already found a new job...what about yourself?...what are you going to do
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I want everyone to know the full TRUTH about whats going on with Kingfisher and incredable India....and Get Go...I already found a new job...what about yourself?...what are you going to do
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For the Indian pilots...wait until expats leave...what will your new salaries will be.....think hard, back to the good old days of few Rupesssss
Our new salaries will be whatever market forces determine it to be.Given the cheap cost of living here I dont think it will make much difference.I intend to work here till retirement and its more important that the companies survive.India is indeed incredible as it has allowed you expats to work here in the first place without you having to undergo an Indian medical.You may have had a bad experience with Kingfisher but I know for sure that the expats workin with Jet are quite happy.We do want the expats to leave but thats only because you are hindering the progress of our pilots.There are more than a billion people here and Kingfisher has a 48% market share in beer alone(not to mention his political clout) which is also sold in 52 countries worldwide.If you think he is going down you are dreaming!
Our new salaries will be whatever market forces determine it to be.Given the cheap cost of living here I dont think it will make much difference.I intend to work here till retirement and its more important that the companies survive.India is indeed incredible as it has allowed you expats to work here in the first place without you having to undergo an Indian medical.You may have had a bad experience with Kingfisher but I know for sure that the expats workin with Jet are quite happy.We do want the expats to leave but thats only because you are hindering the progress of our pilots.There are more than a billion people here and Kingfisher has a 48% market share in beer alone(not to mention his political clout) which is also sold in 52 countries worldwide.If you think he is going down you are dreaming!
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capt. Apache - you are obviously not aware what is going on here - it is not that India allowed us to come, we came because there is/was an urgent need of experienced pilots in this country, wake up man !
And that is another nonsense, how experienced captain with thousands of hours can be hindering the progress of 170h copilot ? Very intelligent statement indeed
Kingfisher Airlines with the current way of operation can never survive on the global sky. Mallya is probably not the best manager but he can never be that stupid to pump 2mil usd daily into a black hole, you do not to be expat pilot to see how kf managers due to own stupidity waste Mallya´s money.
Jet is undoubtly in other league and will survive easily.
I wish that airline survives and many young indian pilots have their job !
And that is another nonsense, how experienced captain with thousands of hours can be hindering the progress of 170h copilot ? Very intelligent statement indeed
Kingfisher Airlines with the current way of operation can never survive on the global sky. Mallya is probably not the best manager but he can never be that stupid to pump 2mil usd daily into a black hole, you do not to be expat pilot to see how kf managers due to own stupidity waste Mallya´s money.
Jet is undoubtly in other league and will survive easily.
I wish that airline survives and many young indian pilots have their job !
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And that is another nonsense, how experienced captain with thousands of hours can be hindering the progress of 170h copilot ? Very intelligent statement indeed 
First of all there is no copilot out there with 170 hrs coz you need 200 to get your CPL license.So get your facts right.
First of all there is no copilot out there with 170 hrs coz you need 200 to get your CPL license.So get your facts right.
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Im sorry Holycow.At the end of the day we are all pilots and we all know the importance of our jobs.I dont think Kingfisher 320 has any right to be sarcastic about a country that has provided him with work.He can curse Kingfisher all he likes.When I wrote about Mallya I was only responding to 320's Statement.......Everything he is doing is going down hill..FAST.As far as Career Progression is concerned I was alluding to Jet where experienced Captains have had to remain content flying narrow body aircraft inspite of having given been with the company since it started.Hope it works out well for you.
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For the Indian pilots...wait until expats leave...what will your new salaries will be.....think hard, back to the good old days of few Rupesssss
Thats a good one
Vijay Mallaya really Sks and so does the Indian Aviation industry with all the million loopholes and stupid rules.
Thats a good one
Vijay Mallaya really Sks and so does the Indian Aviation industry with all the million loopholes and stupid rules.
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The industry is going through its very own market correction. I think in the next 12 months the dust will settle, and like it or not, the survivors will emerge and the unfortunates will say goodbye. Expats will be here as long as there is a need, simple as that. If DGCA sticks to its guns we will out of here on or before the deadline of mid 2010. There is a possibility that extensions might be provided on a case by case basis.
As I have said many times over, contract flying is stop-gap flying. You have it wrong if you think you will be on a contract with a company for a very prolonged period of time (although it does happen--Middle-East/Japan/Korea). Unlike the ME, India has plently of pilot applicants (many getting their hrs still) it's only a matter of time before the expats leave. The time--could be several years from now, depending on the growth based need. Expats right now are needed but are expensive to maintain. Even if an Indian Capt was paid an expat salary, he/she is still a whole lot cheaper. The airline does not have to pay income taxes on behalf of the pilot or for housing and travel . As a rough calculation, an expat pilot probably is equal to two Indian Capts expensewise. So from a business standpoint it is advantageous to upgrade as many qualified Indians when they are ready. If Indian airlines cut salaries drastically after the expats leave, then they will be shooting themselves in the foot because most of the Capts will happily go to the Middle-East for better terms. That will leave India with yet another shortage of Capts. I don't think they want to go there.
As far as hindering the progress of local pilots. I beg to differ. If you are stuck on a narrowbody because of a "seat/equipment lock" implemented by your airline the expat pilot isn't to blame. It's your airline.
Hopefully you will be payprotected in that if your seniority can hold the wide-body, then you get widebody pay for being bypassed due to the company's requirement. Personally, having flown widebodies, I think I would be quite happy flying a narrowbody for widebody pay I like being home almost every other day, not having to deal with sleep issues, reduced rest and multiple time-zones. Widebody flying today is very different from what it was like a decade or so ago. In the old days you actually got to enjoy your overnights with more than adequate rest with time to see some of the sights.
From many posts I read today, sadly many trips are minimum rest.
For the disgruntled expat. If you are unhappy in India or anywhere else for that matter, exercise your contract and leave. You will be a happier person.
Some will be unhappy no matter where they go. No help for you unfortunately. As an expat pilot at Spicejet I will say that I have been quite happy here for almost 2 years now. I fully realize that my contract may not be renewed and I hope not to take it personally. So in anticipation of that scenario, I plan to explore my options in India and elsewhere.
As I have said many times over, contract flying is stop-gap flying. You have it wrong if you think you will be on a contract with a company for a very prolonged period of time (although it does happen--Middle-East/Japan/Korea). Unlike the ME, India has plently of pilot applicants (many getting their hrs still) it's only a matter of time before the expats leave. The time--could be several years from now, depending on the growth based need. Expats right now are needed but are expensive to maintain. Even if an Indian Capt was paid an expat salary, he/she is still a whole lot cheaper. The airline does not have to pay income taxes on behalf of the pilot or for housing and travel . As a rough calculation, an expat pilot probably is equal to two Indian Capts expensewise. So from a business standpoint it is advantageous to upgrade as many qualified Indians when they are ready. If Indian airlines cut salaries drastically after the expats leave, then they will be shooting themselves in the foot because most of the Capts will happily go to the Middle-East for better terms. That will leave India with yet another shortage of Capts. I don't think they want to go there.
As far as hindering the progress of local pilots. I beg to differ. If you are stuck on a narrowbody because of a "seat/equipment lock" implemented by your airline the expat pilot isn't to blame. It's your airline.
Hopefully you will be payprotected in that if your seniority can hold the wide-body, then you get widebody pay for being bypassed due to the company's requirement. Personally, having flown widebodies, I think I would be quite happy flying a narrowbody for widebody pay
I like being home almost every other day, not having to deal with sleep issues, reduced rest and multiple time-zones. Widebody flying today is very different from what it was like a decade or so ago. In the old days you actually got to enjoy your overnights with more than adequate rest with time to see some of the sights.From many posts I read today, sadly many trips are minimum rest.
For the disgruntled expat. If you are unhappy in India or anywhere else for that matter, exercise your contract and leave. You will be a happier person.
Some will be unhappy no matter where they go. No help for you unfortunately. As an expat pilot at Spicejet I will say that I have been quite happy here for almost 2 years now. I fully realize that my contract may not be renewed and I hope not to take it personally. So in anticipation of that scenario, I plan to explore my options in India and elsewhere.
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jobs are going bye bye
i just finished 1 year flying in delhi and the prices have gone up a lot for all the airlines ,with the cost of local salaries much lower than expats the airlines are and WILL be asking expats to say goodbye,luckily there are still a few jobs avail overseas,if the US pilots keep losing jobs like they are presently doing there will be a shortage of positions mainly for co pilots on meduim,large body aircraft.India was a great place to live ,i'm sure most people enjoyed it if you have the right frame of mind,good luck to KF,Indigo,Spice ,Paramont and Go air
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Jet Airways has just announced a layoff of almost 1,000 employees, most being cabin crews on probation. Kingfisher is reported to follow suit. Stay tuned, it's going to get ugly for the employees.
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I have been very happy here in India as an expat. I have known from the begining that it was only a short term job. For many reasons I will not be here very long. I may find a job back home. I might miss my family and leave flying to go home. The Indian government might not renew my visa. The DGCA might not issue me a new FATA. The airline will eventually catch up with training and upgrade enough Indians to replace me. In the near term I am a nessesary need for the airline. I like flying here. The FO's are like sponges and are so eager to learn. I feel happy to try to teach them as much as possible while I am here. If you do not like it here I agree with Neverkar, exercise your contract and go home. You just bring yourself and everyone else down by staying around. If you can not afford to leave, then do the polite thing and keep your mouth shut and be happy that you have a job. There are many others in aviation not so lucky right now who would gladly come to the sub continent and trade places with you.
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All the expats who are here and want to get nasty. Go home get the hell out of here. We dont need you. Remember you came here we didn't come to your country. Take it or leave it buddy. When you leave we could probably get a guy who's here to teach and share his decades of experience and expertise. So bye bye...
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Boy! Are you really from the jungle seagul ? These are real people you are talkin to.They have a family n kids just like we do.You are lucky if you dont have to go to another country for work.I have several friends n relatives working in the States(remember software).Nobodys ever spoken to them like this.Do you even know the number of Indians that work abroad.The number of expats working here wont even come close to that.They send good money back home dude.Not just that dont forget the call centre industry has robbed their jobs.Its a global world we live in.So wake up!
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Xenophobia is alive and well
Do you even know the number of Indians that work abroad
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