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Old 3rd Jun 2008, 22:53
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Mesti Ada Subsidi

[QUOTEhttp://www.malaysiakini.com/letters/83864][/QUOTE]
Secret subsidy for MAS?Irene Somonga | Jun 3, 08 4:14pmI refer to the Malaysiakini report MAS to cut costs as oil price rises.
Rumour is that MAS has been getting some RM400 million in subsidy by the government to run their Paris, Los Angeles, and New York routes (makes sense, after all, how can MAS possibly be flying for US$483 Singapore-New York in an age where the all-time high oil price has driven tens of airlines worldwide into bankruptcy and forced others to raise prices?)
And this subsidy has been kept secret from the public. I would like to know where the government gets the authority to use our hard-earned money to subsidise a poorly-managed company that is losing tons of money, when I can easily hop on an alternative airline to go to the same destinations?
After all, that taxpayers’ money could be better spent on helping the country's poor at a time of rising food prices, rather than supporting some inefficiently-run company that deserves to go bankrupt but survives just because of its relationship with the government?
The government should remember that it is we, the people, who earned this money and paid the taxes. They are not meant to be used for ‘selective subsidies’ to benefit those with whom they have close relationships.


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I would like to ask the AK supporters why is it you are so angry with the Malaysian government allegedly subsidizing a few of MH's routes.

Firstly if the route is deemed unprofitable and needed to be cut ie kul-ny but was deemed to be in the interest of the country then is it not fair that the government stepped up to the plate.

Secondly since its just reimbursement for the sector then its a zero sum to the bottom line of MAS.

Thirdly with this subsidy it provides employment to Malaysians since they need more people for the company.

Fourthly since this sector or sectors don't really make money or the yield is too low would AK bother flying these sectors anyway? Or do they just want to be paid to fly unprofitable sectors? It does go against everything that AK has preached ? Doesn't it?

Fifthly almost all airlines in the world including AK has enjoyed some sort of government support one way or another. So all those living in glass houses should refrain from throwing stones.

Anyway this just my $0.02's worth.
 
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how can MAS possibly be flying for US$483 Singapore-New York

Can't figure out MAS flying SIN-NYC?
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There goes rearXXX again, fattys propaganda gimp at it again!!!

Singapore-New York. The spin doctor can't even get the facts right.

You must be really really worried as fuel rises, margins close and competition increases.

Where is the securities commission!!!! Where is the investigation into the FAX / airasia / airasia X tie ups!!!! Where is the investigation into the gambling of fuel and associated losses of public money!!! Where is the investigation into air asia funding and association of airasia X Where is the investigation into directors accounts and possible kick backs from the A320 deal WHERE ARE THE INVESTORS????

Where are the missing tax dollars that air asia has not paid inclusive of MAB charges.

Perhaps you should continue to sell insurance and budget hotel rooms.
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Last week,Air Asia claimed they have made RM110millions profit,so from that profit,they can pay the amount due to relevant parties and today in Utusan Malaysia business section,TF made a statement that he still wants Subang airport to enable him to operate few aircrafts from there,cant he understand that particular airport is mend for turbo-prop aircrafts or else ask him to buy ATR ,so that he can operate from there.
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Many Arrogant Supervisors

Malaysian government allegedly subsidizing a few of MH's routes.
There is nothing wrong with subsidies if applied for deserving cases. Like subsidies to disadvantaged kids and hardcore poor. But where there is no transparency there will be leakages and that will be a cost to be borne later by taxpayers.

subsidy it provides employment to Malaysians
So Air Asia should also be subsidised since It also employ Malaysians. Or like Captain Wooblah who would like to see Air Asia close down and the malaysian pilots become jobless.

this sector or sectors don't really make money or the yield is too low would AK bother flying these sectors anyway?
A level playing field with no barriers of entry will ensure that only the fittest survive. Also depending on what niche of the market you are looking at.

QUOTE]Can't figure out MAS flying SIN-NYC?[/QUOTE]
that would be the famous hub and spoke strategy of MAS as put out by Idris Jala. Not the rub and poke.

As for Captain Wooblah, why are you so angry?
After all your company has announced record profits. As a TRI/TRE you have received 21/2 months bonus (maybe more) plus the 1/2 month paid last year.
You have been alloted a few tens of thousand share options which is going to fatten your purse.

Or perhaps you do not believe the spin that is going on in your company? But then you are in the enviable position of TRI/TRE where you have first cut and the cream and icing and what have you. So why the angst
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Last week Air Asia in the press statement said that they have made RM110million profit,so it is the best time to pay the RM100million debt.In today Utusan Malaysia online,TF still wants Subang,cant he understand that Subang airport is mend for turboprop and charters.
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Again RearXXX,

Spreading misinformation. Creating a smoke screen to divert attention from the real issues.

All I say to you my little sister is answer the questions I submitted in my previous post.

Wooblah.
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more interesting stuff

Interesting...

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

Thursday, 5th June, 2008



In response to the article "Stop Pressuring Govt, MAS Union tells AirAsia"
which was published in the STAR on Thursday 5th June 2008, the 5,000 AirAsia
staff comments:



We, the staff and employees of AirAsia Bhd., would like to respond to the
statement by the Malaysia Airlines Employees Union as reported in the media
today (Thursday, June 5, 2008).



We are deeply hurt and bitterly disappointed by the remarks attributed to
MAS Employees Union executive secretary Mustafar Maarof. The remarks
indicate either a fundamental lack of knowledge about how the free market
works or - and we trust this is not so - a deliberate attempt at obfuscating
the facts of the case. At a time when the challenges faced by our respective
airlines - and their management and staff - grow exponentially day by day,
we would hope that all airline employees in Malaysia would focus on helping
their respective companies overcome these great hurdles rather than waste
time, resources and energy in undermining these efforts.



Encik Mustafar says AirAsia should stop "pressuring the Government" to allow
it to operate from Subang airport or turn it into a low-cost hub and that
AirAsia should also "not push for more flights on the Kuala Lumpur-Singapore
route."



We are not sure where Encik Mustafar gets the idea from that AirAsia is
"pressuring the Government" on these issues. He appears to be unaware of the
fact that the Government of Malaysia has declared both AirAsia and MAS
"national champions" of the nation's airline industry and challenged them
both to elevate their efforts to put Malaysia on the global aviation map.
It's a challenge we at AirAsia have embraced fully. We have amply
demonstrated that we at AirAsia are capable of meeting these national
expectations despite not being allowed to compete on a level playing field.
It is not "pressure" but simple fairness that the Government, in turn, do
its utmost to enable AirAsia to perform at its ultimate capability. Doing so
can only help AirAsia generate even more economic revenue and employment in
Malaysia's tourism industry, which is one of the main, and increasingly
important, revenue streams for the nation. Unlike MAS, AirAsia is not a
government linked company but a private firm, founded and operating under
its own steam and in a free market environment.



For Encik Mustafar's information, AirAsia's entry into a particular route
has not resulted in "heated and uncontrolled competition among local
airlines, which could ultimately force local airlines to contemplate
closure." On the contrary, every single analysis has demonstrated that
AirAsia's launch of a particular route has helped grow the market in that
sector. Encik Mustafar needs only to check with his own airline's management
to confirm this basic fact. Just look at the load factor for MAS on its
routes to Bangkok and Jakarta, for example, prior to and after the launch of
AirAsia's own aircraft on these routes.



In essence, AirAsia and MAS operate in two different markets on any
particular sector - one is a full-service, legacy carrier; the other a
budget carrier that in six short years has become the largest low-cost
carrier in the region thanks to innovative pricing, marketing and route
planning - and the diligence of its employees. That it is MAS which has now
ventured into AirAsia's market by launching its own "budget" fares appears
to have escaped Encik Mustafar's attention. And given that MAS now appears
unable to settle on its own identity - whether to focus on being a
full-service carrier challenging the likes of Singapore Airlines, Cathay
Pacific Airlines, etc. or become a low-cost carrier - is an issue for the
MAS management and its employees union to deal with. As for us at AirAsia,
we have publicly stated that we welcome the competition - that is
essentially our creed - but we would hope that the Government provides a
level playing field so as to ensure that the competition is fair and
conducted in a regulated environment that can benefit all stakeholders - the
management and employees of both airlines and, most important, the Malaysian
consumers - at a time of rising economic uncertainty.



Encik Mustafar alludes to the Malaysian Government's proposed plan to build
"a more comfortable and bigger Low-Cost Carrier Terminal which would cost
some RM 1 billion." He is perhaps unaware that AirAsia has counter-proposed
to the Government that the airline is more than prepared to build its own
LCCT, at no cost to the Government and without even a single sen in subsidy.
We believe that at this time when public funds can be better utilized in
helping the rakyat, our proposal is fully merited.





These are the facts, and they are publicly available to Encik Mustrafar and
his like-minded colleagues at the MAS Employees Union. If, however, he
requires further clarification, we at AirAsia would be more than happy to
help him in this goal. Come over and visit us at any time to enjoy our
hospitality and our camaraderie as fellow concerned workers of the airline
industry. Like you, we, too, are worried about the developments in the
industry and our own employment security. We are, however, fully confident
in the capability of our senior management to chart a course for us through
these darkening skies and lead us to a bright future. We strongly believe
that the Malaysian Government shares our confidence and will take the
necessary steps to allow us to compete in free and fair manner.





Signed,



The hardworking and diligent employees of AirAsia Bhd.
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here comes wooblah with his s**t again
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obfuscating & exponentially

Duh !!!

Anyone care to explain ? Me no dictionary in hotel room.
Such bombastic language! Whew ..
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Dual Input,

Guess you like it both ways, you can do better than that.

With regard to the airasia employee letter. James Bro has it summed up. Written by the fat ones lawyer to proliferate his deciet and lies with regard to trying to stifle MAS's successful turnaround and rebranding which has done wonders to her bottom line.

STOP TRYING TO BULL$HIT US US ABOUT GROWING THE MARKET AND LEVEL PLAYING FIELDS. You are just pissed that you are not getting your own way anymore since the govermental changes and the change in transport minister.

Furthermore, I have yet to see a response to my previous post. I guess you airasia die hards have no explanation!! Come on rearXXX and dua otak. Have some balls for a change and explain!!! You can do better than your bleeding heart cry baby letter. After all after reading it it just reinforced what little cry baby girls you really are.

Welcome to the REAL WORLD,

Wooblah.

P.S Bring it on
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Yeah heard that young Tony has a company that is on the ropes but has managed to keep it afloat with some creative accounting and slick politiking.....I think it's time the citizens of Malaysia stand up and ask the government some pretty hard questions....I guess it's time to put young Tony in the dock....
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Angel Air Asia

all you guys at AA...open your eyes,the FAT BANGLA is taking you all for a ride.when aa set up Fax they got RM 100 mil from the gov.
they gave back the routes to Mas after saying that Mas Could do a better job....well its true..mas wings is doing well.guess what...Fax only spent RM30 mil...they never gave back the balance RM 70mil.
now that Mas wings wants the balance...the FAT BANGLA and gang can't account for the cash.
AA has been helped along too much by KJ and the team...well FAT BANGLA..the honeymoon is over.
AA has no money at all...its a ship thats going under,and the FAT BANGLA will only save himself.
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You are right AG...He does not give a **** about anybody, he will use you as long as he can then out you go..just look at his management team new faces all the time..he always play's the good guy and they the bad but in reality he has always been the mastermind behind the scene and the cause of a lot of **** in the company....
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Press statement: Clarification of amounts claimed by Malaysia Airports Berhad (MAB)

KUALA LUMPUR, 13 June 2008 – Clarification of amounts claimed by Malaysia Airports Berhad (MAB)

There has been much debate and confusion on the statements made in relation to the amount purported owed to Malaysia Airports Berhad (MAB), even to the extent that some members of the Parliament have misconstrued that AirAsia has not paid MAB since 2002. AirAsia now seeks to clarify such misunderstandings and inaccuracy on the amount involved.

AirAsia is in a strong financial position and is able to meet its financial obligations as and when they fall due. In this regard, AirAsia has been making monthly payments to MAB however there is a portion remaining outstanding, pending decision on AirAsia's requests for MAB to review their charging mechanism. These include the high airport terminal charges and tariffs which is the same as those applied to the KL International Airport’s (KLIA) prestigious Main Terminal Building (MTB) which we feel is too high considering the very basic facilities and services at the Low Cost Carrier Terminal (LCCT).

Although there has been no written understanding on a reduced tariff for AirAsia to operate at the LCCT, the airline had agreed as requested by the Government to move to the LCCT from the Main Terminal Building (MTB) on 23rd March 2006 in support of the Government’s effort to boost the LCC industry in Malaysia and to turn KLIA as the regional low cost hub. We received indications that MAB would review the terminal charges to reflect the basic facilities available. However 2 years on after the move, there is still no Commercial Agreement prepared.


With the increasing aircraft fleet, increased passenger numbers carried and substantial landings due to higher flight frequency and aggressive route expansion, AirAsia has helped MAB recover its investment in terminal buildings, runway and supporting infrastructure much earlier. This is AirAsia’s contribution to improve the efficient and effective utilisation of infrastructure at KLIA.

Contrary to claims made, the current management of AirAsia has paid MAB on a monthly basis. Payment made by AirAsia over the last five years has grown substantially and amount todate are in excess of RM279.34 million. Of the total RM110.36m purportedly claimed by MAB, AirAsia would like to place on record that the amounts presently under dispute are as follows:

1 Amount mentioned as owed to MAB as at 31 March 2008 110,263,886

2 Less March 2008 current billing received but not due -10,701,840

3 Prior payments made but not reflected in March 2008 statement -28,327,881

4 Less Passenger Service Security Charges at LCCT (payable by passengers) -8,556,519
- Amount not collected from passengers as AirAsia objected to the charge. MAB has since revised the basis of charge that took effect on 1 June 2007

5 Amount claimed to be overdue* 62,677,646

*This represents the difference arising from the request for reduced aeronautical charges at LCCT and growth incentives which are currently under review


AirAsia Group Deputy Chief Executive Officer Dato' Kamarudin Meranun said, “Despite rising prices and costs, AirAsia has consistently been reducing fares and continued to expand its network and increasing flight frequency. AirAsia is committed and dedicated to developing a vibrant tourism industry in Malaysia because we believe in the greater economic benefits. AirAsia is fast transforming KLIA as a major regional hub for air travel, both for short haul regional and long haul international routes.

We applaud the Government’s intervention that resulted in lowering passenger service charges at the LCCT in view of the comparatively inferior facilities to the main terminal building. Based on the same rationale, we have seek MAB’s consideration not to charge us based on the same tariff applied in the main terminal as we too are operating under relatively inferior facilities. As a low cost carrier, we do not mind operating with basic facilities, provided that we are able to keep our operating costs low, passing on the savings to our passengers in the form of low fares.”

AirAsia is calling for the implementation of an incentive scheme to help achieve tourism growth in Malaysia, for all domestic and international carriers flying into and out of Malaysian airports that can provide MAB with a growth in passenger numbers and landings.

Dato Kamarudin adds, “We thank both MAB and the government for their support and consideration in working together towards finding an amicable solution in this matter. This is all a part of the growing pains in introducing innovative low cost travel and transforming Malaysia as a major regional hub for air travel. And in this challenging time, it is imperative we work together to ensure fares can be kept low despite the current inflationary pressure.”

***End***
For further information please contact:

AirAsia Media Relations Team:
Sherliza Zaharudin
Office No : +603 8660 4294
E-mail : [email protected]

Mazlan Rasheed
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Email : [email protected]

June Chow
Office No : +603 8660 4287
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Nazatul Ekma Mokhtar
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Old 23rd Jun 2008, 13:30
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“Despite rising prices and costs, AirAsia has consistently been reducing fares and continued to expand its network and increasing flight frequency.
Stop lying to people's wallets... AirAsia fares have gone down but replaced with fuel surcharges (and if I remember correctly, Indo Air Asia has the highest fuel surcharges around).

What next? "We'll give you $10 for flying Air Asia*" and claim to have the lowest fares around...
* = But they'll charge you $75 for the fuel surcharges

Anyways, haven't MH suspended Tony F's travel previledges (discounts) because Tony F has been badmouthing MH so much that the MAS Union asked the directors to take the move?

What next? 6G landings?
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What? MASwings are doing well? From what I'm hearing, most of their pilots already run. They have less then 18 Captains to run 5 plane. Now they forced promote a DHC6 co-pilot as F50 Capt. How r they doing it just puzzle me. What happen to the Fokker that make landing without the nosegear in Sibu? When is the aircraft going back to service? It is mechanical failure from what I gather. BTW heard that MASwings going to wetlease 737 from MAS? Hope I dont have to go to East Msia to served those route. Damn....
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There was a "peribahasa" I learnt (apparently not very well ) that sounded something like "you splash your water reflection your face wet one" . If MASwings truly is messing up in SBB, what would you call the shenanigans that TF (I find the racial undertones of his other nicknames somewhat disturbing) and his buddies performed during their short-lived escapades running () the show East-side? They were ill-prepared AND lackadaisical in their attitude towards the task. Not only were the routes and services allowed to suffer, lives and careers were disrupted owing to the hand-over from RAS to FAX (now how would a Pinoy pronounce that...), and worse still, the return process. And after such a short time frame, too!
Yup, heard the news too, about MASwing taking over the entire SSB ops. Heck, I would jump at the opportunity to be based east of our "mini-pond"! Some of the best times ever... Lifestyle very inviting! And I'm sure the secondment would be voluntary, anyway.
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Bangla Front

The Bangla is only a FRONT for more powerful politicians who run the country.
So to answer Wooblah questions which none of the AA dare answer is the Gomen is smokescreening all the bad news about AA.
Cannot allow the unimaginable...ie AA is probably going bust !!
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