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The Mas Airasia War

Old 18th May 2008, 04:47
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Well you guys have summed it up perfectly.

The fat one owes MAB millions for landing, parking, aerobridge, Passenger service charges, baggage handling charges etc.

He owes the states of Sarawak and Sabah countless millions in lost tourist revenue regarding the total screw up of FAX. He also owes the people of the abovementioned states an apology and compensation for destroying their rural economy and social transportation services as enshrined in the Borneo Treaty.

He owes the Government and MAS countless millions for the destruction of the DHC-6 and F-50 fleets, cannibalising them and leaving the repair bill to MAS.

He should resign as CEO for loosing 300 million plus in his gambling exercise where he used share holders money to gamble that the price of fuel would fall. A debt that he is still paying for and is the reason that AK is not presently hedged.

He owes full disclosure into the A320 deal to the shareholders. And how much money was paid to the board in so closing the deal. The company accounts and accounts of the board inclusive of the fat one should be open to independent scrutiny.

In short the so called great one has been and is continuing to waste taxpayers money. It would be an interesting exercise to total the complete monetary cost to taxpayers the fat one has caused. It may just be more than the so called benefit he is perceived to have created.

So now he is back to the same old LEVEL PLAYING FIELD crap. His idea of a level playing field is one that is 90 degrees stacked in his favour. He is so devoid of new ideas he keeps harping on the same old line like a broken record.

Sorry fatty, Idris negotiated and got the 737ng so you are screwed. You can't hand unwanted 320's to MAS. Guess one of your exit strategies is screwed. Ouch.

Now MAS is rebranding its product. What a brilliant strategy. And I guess it was invented by a certain revenue manager who was a founder of airasia that you screwed. You really should have paid what you promised to. HL, PT, BF and JS. If they were a team perhaps your bus service would be running smoothly. These guys were the real brains to airasia, they were the true founders and visionaries. They also put in all the work. The fat one had the idea but really was not the brains of the operation those guys were.

So now you are crying like a little girl to the Government to protect your business. Well listen and listen good my little sister. Firstly it is NOT YOUR BUSINESS. This is a free market economy and it IS YOU THAT WANTED DEREGULATION. And now that it is here you are crying like the little girl that you are. What you gona do cry to the Singapore, Thai, Vietnamese, Indonesian and Chinese governments to regulate their carriers to protect YOUR BUSINESS. Ha ha ha ha they will tell you to stick it in a dark smelly place as should the Malaysian Government.

This is just the beginning my little girl. MAS has opened up the eyes of the other carriers, MAS is the pioneer and believe me the others will follow suit so you should grow some balls and become a man rather than whining like a little girl. Oops did I say grow up and grow balls. Damn I guess all is lost.

Kudos MAS and well done. Kudos for deregulation of low fares as it is the customer that will win. Fatty said that he was growing the market and that MAS could never match his product well boo hoo, they have done just that and the fat one cannot complain because MAS is in the black and making money. So go on fatty, cry like a girl because the party is over for you and your cohorts. And guess what, Wooblah makes another prediction. When you fail, they will go after your personal wealth and it will be a ground breaking landmark civil suit in Asia. You and your cohorts will all go down with the ship.
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Old 18th May 2008, 06:50
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After the Sharizat fiasco in Lembah Pantai, I guess TF reckon his time is up. So whining, crying and arse licking to come! Just a matter of time as to how far down the brown tube he would go.
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Old 18th May 2008, 12:53
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Air Asia and Air Asia X... 2 separate companies with unclear cooperation...
So, if Air Asia X goes bust, creditors can't go after Air Asia...

If Air Asia goes bust... I think Air Asia X would be sought after by the creditors...

Sorry fatty, Idris negotiated and got the 737ng so you are screwed. You can't hand unwanted 320's to MAS. Guess one of your exit strategies is screwed. Ouch.
I guess WOOBLAH heard the same story from different people than me then... Back then We knew something wrong was happening when Airbus decided to dump ATR in the bid and offer A318s instead... the answer... FAX... this was years back...

In the words of my colleagues at QZ/IndoAirAsia...
"We love the brand, we hate the boss... we smile so he pays for our parties, make our customers love us, but if he wants to fleece us, we'll just go to the government."


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Old 18th May 2008, 13:23
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tf wants a debate with mr jala... probabbly should have debate session with his staffs n down liners first instead of all the high $ spree with man u and the formula one...
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Old 18th May 2008, 15:33
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stil owes money to landing charges overseas... and Mas for the damaged caused on the F50 N THE OTTERS.. but to take go into sabah sarawak and take their AOC for the air asia x is a cunning masterplan..well done
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Old 18th May 2008, 16:15
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Saturday May 17, 2008
No subsidy in MAS fares

PUTRAJAYA: No form of subsidy was involved in Malaysia Airlines' Everyday Low Fare promotion, said Transport Minister Datuk Ong Tee Keat.

He said claims by AirAsia group chief executive officer Datuk Tony Fernandes that MAS was using subsidies for international flights for its domestic low-fare promotion were not true.

“Any effort to lower fares or have low-fare promotions are commercial decisions by the two airlines. It has nothing to do with the Federal Government,” he told reporters after witnessing the signing of the contract between the Government and Ircon International Ltd for the construction of the Seremban-Gemas electrified double-tracking project yesterday.

“Allegations that there were RM400mil in subsidies involved (in MAS’ low-fare promotions) do not arise.”

Ong said the Government would not intervene in the price war.

“We do not want to intervene in healthy competition which benefits the people,” he said.

In Kuala Lumpur, AirAsia deputy group chief executive officer Datuk Kamarudin Meranun said a level playing field was needed to ensure fair competition.

He also said AirAsia’s branding in the English Premier League was jointly sponsored by the airline and Tourism Malaysia, and was not subsidised as claimed by MAS managing director and chief executive officer Datuk Seri Idris Jala.

“We have many restraints ... Why is MAS focusing on AirAsia routes? Why are they targeting our model?” he asked.

As Wooblah said, AK is crying. Why? Cause Idris and his team are implying sound business practicis? That would be silly, its like confirming you got it wrong all along. Level playing field ? You just got it Tony. Live with it.

I must admit that when I.J got the job at MAS, I, and a lot of other people, where sceptical, but, he pulled it off. They are not there yet but they going in the right direction.
Going for ATR's amd 738 is strategically sound and will keep AK's board room a little bit nervous for the time being, especially now the political tide could be a tsunami the wrong way.

It would be a pity that AK, such a fantastic product, world brand as it is, is gambled away.

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Old 20th May 2008, 13:17
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Is it just me or is AK now stepping it's promotion up a gear?
I'm getting more promo emails from them, and each are more bombastic than before MH's zero fares...
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Old 22nd May 2008, 03:03
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Well said WOOBLAH!

Your comment is a thesis fit for 1st Class Honours and research good for PHD!

It's time to dig out all the rotten secrets! Either bring this to Parliament or join PKR! (Bolehkah? Ada borang nanti saya hantar)

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Old 22nd May 2008, 03:21
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I would say he got keypad problem...
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Old 22nd May 2008, 20:02
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Devil no way to AK as MH is OK!

Since when has AK had better equipment than MH?
A320 vs 737NG
A330 vs 777ER

Since when has AK "roti canai" been better than the satay on MH?

AK has become a farce and a big sham,

TF's big sweeping statements are akin to John Leahy's ~ utter and complete crap!
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Old 23rd May 2008, 10:59
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And now MH is also giving SQ/MI a run of its $$ by offering $0 fares out of SIN to KUL, PEN, KCH, Langkawi and Kota Kinabalu! And better service too (think meal on MH on SIN-PEN vs hot snack on SQ)
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Old 23rd May 2008, 12:38
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Big slapped on TF as they have to operate from main terminal building in Kota Kinabalu.
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Old 28th May 2008, 07:30
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Well, it finally happened. Who would have thought so a year ago.
AK's stock price came to RM.1 today. What next?

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Old 28th May 2008, 19:14
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Devil Us compared to the BIG 2

What you going to blame now FT? Time to curb that gambling habit and pay your dues, instead of asking us to suggest how we can save you 20kgs?

How about we start with trimming the "fat" eh FT?

Pretty appalling performance, all bark and no bite...

3786 3.500 3.540 3.460 3.520 +0.020 3,559

5099 1.010 1.020 0.985 0.990 -0.020 75,083 recommendation : ARE YOU NUTS?!

SIA S$15.900 +0.300 +1.9% 3,777 21 15.860 15.900 87 15.940 15.520 recommendation : HOLD -> BUY

LUV $12.62 +0.36 +2.94% 7,104,458 12.79 12.37 12.26 recommendation : HOLD -> BUY

THAI B24.80 -0.10 -0.40% 4,546,800 24.90 25.25 25.25 24.20
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Old 30th May 2008, 06:29
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air asia

any body knows how to apply DEC in air asia on line.
I have tried but stuck when I inputed ID.
I put my pasport but rejected or now only malaysian can apply.
many thnx
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Old 31st May 2008, 02:28
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AA Q1 earnings surge to RM161mil - Star 30 May

Two days ago AA announced that they posted a net profit of RM 161.27 mil for the first quater ended March 31, up 85.6% from RM 86.87 mil last year (according to the Star)! With the soaring fuel price, high competitive market and unhedged fuel, they not only posted a profit but getting stronger. Before this, I tend to agree with the postings in this thread, but now... Maybe I should remind myself that this is PPRrune - a pilot rumuors network.

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Old 31st May 2008, 04:15
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According to Malaysiakini :

A recent special audit carried out by Moores Rowland Risk Management Sdn. Bhd, showed that Transmile made pre-tax losses of RM126 million and RM77 million for 2006 and 2005, respectively, instead of pre-tax profits of RM207 million and RM120 million as originally reported – a total of RM530 million in overstatement.

Opps...sorry,wrong thread
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Old 31st May 2008, 05:51
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Well said Casio Man.

supercooltemperature, unfortunately this is how it's going to feel in the cooler.

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Old 9th Jun 2008, 04:13
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Exclamation Pulling Reversers Up In the Air????

Dengar cakap kebelakangan ini Capt. RJ/RS(ex MAS & AirAsia) kat HKA tarik reversers 50kaki sebelum landing........betul ke?? Masa kat MAS/AirAsia pun macam tu?????

Bekas geng-geng sekalian, jangan nak tunjuk pandai dan rosakkan nama baik kita orang yang masih cari makan kat MAS/Air Asia......ini kapal terbang bukan bas-bas kat pudu!!!

Ahamdulilah syukur nikmat.....
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Old 9th Jun 2008, 19:09
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CA Pay???

Does anybody have a copy of the Terms and Conditions for an A320 CA position with Air Asia? Or if not does anybody have a reasonable ball park figure as to the monthly pay/time off? Thanks for any info....
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