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what ultimatum?
anybody got paid?your ultimatum is like an empty can,lots of noise but nothing on the inside.stay there because there is where all you guys truly belongs!
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Too Quiet
After that meeting was called in for all instructors last month there seemed to be hope after we got paid on that deadline. Now things seem really quiet!!
Even the Butt Brother have been quiet for the past days. I think he is a ashamed to show his face after he travelled to the bases and tried to convince us that there will be money in the "15 days" he has coming to pay us out of.
Here is another deal; alot of investors looked in to panam, many declined. Dont we think the remaining investors will ask why they declined and feel stupid to not decline too.
Look at it this way if you had planned to buy a car 10 other people are interested in and 9 stepped away; would you still buy it. I'm sure you would be worried
I can just feel the end swooping in on us this month!
Even the Butt Brother have been quiet for the past days. I think he is a ashamed to show his face after he travelled to the bases and tried to convince us that there will be money in the "15 days" he has coming to pay us out of.Here is another deal; alot of investors looked in to panam, many declined. Dont we think the remaining investors will ask why they declined and feel stupid to not decline too.
Look at it this way if you had planned to buy a car 10 other people are interested in and 9 stepped away; would you still buy it. I'm sure you would be worried
I can just feel the end swooping in on us this month!
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Matter of time
The remaining investors are just waiting for one of this to happen:
1. The time when Butt begs them to buy Panam at whatever price
or
2. The time when Butt gives up running Panam and goes home
As long as Butt insists on staying in that position with that kind of salary, no sensible investor will ever buy Panam.
It will be a matter of time before Panam goes bankrupt.
1. The time when Butt begs them to buy Panam at whatever price
or
2. The time when Butt gives up running Panam and goes home
As long as Butt insists on staying in that position with that kind of salary, no sensible investor will ever buy Panam.
It will be a matter of time before Panam goes bankrupt.
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Butt out?
You people should seriously consider signing a Vote of No Confidence (please leave out the ACFI and the other Argentinian!) and get that scoundrel out of there.Mr.Ass, any person with pride would have bow and take leave,don't you feel even a little ashamed?You thought the airlines are dumb like AIG to hand you more money?
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Butt Dynasty
It seems the Butt Dynasty will rule for another deacade. He is still presumed the ruler and king of the Panam servants inc., and will be given more rulership over the coming months.
In a letter from AIG we present; his Western Allies strengthening his already devastating personality and power.
:zzz : (the faces of each foreign instructor). NO ONE IS HAPPY WITH THIS, Maybe Argentina is when they refused to sign!
Thank you for the feedback. These are very difficult and trying times for all of us. As you may know, Brian does not control when new funding may come in. As you may also expect, things never go accordingly to plan when the financial markets are as volatile as it is now. The situation at BPA is dire and Brian has made numerous sacrifices to get BPA on track. I will not get into particulars on this email but suffice it to say that he continues to put the financial situation of the Company before himself. Things are never as simple as it seems on the surface and actions can often be misinterpreted from its true intent. The main thing is that BPA needs everyone’s support to pull through and not divided interests. We are hopeful of a financial solution that will put BPA back on the path to stable growth. In the meantime, we request that we think and move as a team.
He seems to have a spell on AIG as again he wins and we loose. Is this the moment where we preapre for a rebellion against the leading power or will we shrivel and take our "tails" between our legs like poor homeless dogs?
This is a serious case and we are now in the month of truce to find who will be responsible for derailing the company.
Good Luck to all out there!
All hell is set to break this month if there is no money!!!!
In a letter from AIG we present; his Western Allies strengthening his already devastating personality and power.
:zzz : (the faces of each foreign instructor). NO ONE IS HAPPY WITH THIS, Maybe Argentina is when they refused to sign!Thank you for the feedback. These are very difficult and trying times for all of us. As you may know, Brian does not control when new funding may come in. As you may also expect, things never go accordingly to plan when the financial markets are as volatile as it is now. The situation at BPA is dire and Brian has made numerous sacrifices to get BPA on track. I will not get into particulars on this email but suffice it to say that he continues to put the financial situation of the Company before himself. Things are never as simple as it seems on the surface and actions can often be misinterpreted from its true intent. The main thing is that BPA needs everyone’s support to pull through and not divided interests. We are hopeful of a financial solution that will put BPA back on the path to stable growth. In the meantime, we request that we think and move as a team.
He seems to have a spell on AIG as again he wins and we loose. Is this the moment where we preapre for a rebellion against the leading power or will we shrivel and take our "tails" between our legs like poor homeless dogs?
This is a serious case and we are now in the month of truce to find who will be responsible for derailing the company.
Good Luck to all out there!
All hell is set to break this month if there is no money!!!!
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AIG
He seems to have a spell on AIG as again he wins and we loose. Is this the moment where we preapre for a rebellion against the leading power or will we shrivel and take our "tails" between our legs like poor homeless dogs?
Seems like that Jackass totally throw all your concerns out the window because at the end of the day, Butt destroys your lives and not that Jackass! You people threaten to resign if Butt stays? Lets see if you are going to keep true to your words or let the Butt Dynasty laugh in your face. Pan Am have 2 Argentinian saps there, don't be another Argentinian!
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Peter Whang for President!!!
Hey, BlueSkyLife:
Very well put, but if we are going to raise hell, let's raise it completely. That response was fron none other than our own Peter Whang. Wow, Peter; you should consider being "Osama Obama's" running mate in 2012 with all that rhetoric!!! You sound like a damn politician on the campaign trail. Not to mention U.S. tax dollars bailed your company's "BUTT" out to the tune of $80 billion, and then they have the nerve to throw a $400,000.00 company junket to celebrate!
Let's take a look at the inital complaint here, and you will notice that NOTHING was mentioned in the response BlueSkyLife posted above regarding Butt's continuous lying:
Dear Board of Directors,
We, the foreign flight instructors of Beijing PanAm International Aviation Academy, would like to address the following concerns expressed below.
Our major concern is that of the status of our current President and CEO, Mr. Brian Butt. As a group, we feel that Brian has performed inadequately as the President of Beijing PanAm. Throughout his employment thus far, he has shown a lack of respect and professionalism to all employees of Beijing PanAm. Over the past several months, he and his management team have successfully alienated themselves from the foreign instructors, but we also believe from a majority of the Chinese staff and students. We no longer have any confidence in the decisions that he makes, as well as his ability to lead this company through this difficult period and into a successful future.
Upon his arrival at Beijing PanAm, Brian proceeded to sit down with our acting CFI and ACFI of Baotou, two people who wanted the positions for the right reasons, and insulted and belittled them to the point they stepped down from those positions. This attitude towards employees of Beijing PanAm has not changed. During many of our meetings with Brian, he has belittled and shown a lack of respect for both the foreign instructors and Chinese employees, even when both groups were present in the same room together.
In addition, the company has lost quality instructors, that it has invested large amounts of money in, due to the fact that he was offering unreasonable contract renewal terms. These terms were often less desirable than the first contract the instructors signed with Beijing PanAm. This approach towards the contracts has also affected the company’s ability to recruit new instructors and is one of the main reasons instructors are looking for employment elsewhere.
Due to a lack of leadership and communication throughout this tough financial period for Beijing PanAm and its employees, morale has been forced lower than any other period in Beijing PanAm’s history. Brian has shown numerous times that his “word” means nothing, and he consequently no longer has any credibility with the foreign instructors. Most things we have been told in meetings have been false statements. While these may have been meant to keep instructors with Beijing PanAm, they have had the opposite effect because we continually find out those statements are indeed false.
So at this time, with the best interests of the company and its customers in mind, we respectfully request the resignation or removal of Mr. Brian Butt from the position of President, CEO of Beijing PanAm.
Sincerely,
Beijing PanAm Foreign Flight Instructors
Now, let's post the response in it's entirity:
Thank you for the feedback. These are very difficult and trying times for all of us. As you may know, Brian does not control when new funding may come in. As you may also expect, things never go accordingly to plan when the financial markets are as volatile as it is now. The situation at BPA is dire and Brian has made numerous sacrifices to get BPA on track. I will not get into particulars on this email but suffice it to say that he continues to put the financial situation of the Company before himself. Things are never as simple as it seems on the surface and actions can often be misinterpreted from its true intent. The main thing is that BPA needs everyone's support to pull through and not divided interests. We are hopeful of a financial solution that will put BPA back on the path to stable growth. In the meantime, we request that we think and move as a team.
Rds,
Peter Whang
BPA BOD member
AIG Investments
Managing Director
Let's also not fail to mention that only 11 instructors signed the petition, and none of the Agentinians signed..!!!! What does that tell you?
MB
Very well put, but if we are going to raise hell, let's raise it completely. That response was fron none other than our own Peter Whang. Wow, Peter; you should consider being "Osama Obama's" running mate in 2012 with all that rhetoric!!! You sound like a damn politician on the campaign trail. Not to mention U.S. tax dollars bailed your company's "BUTT" out to the tune of $80 billion, and then they have the nerve to throw a $400,000.00 company junket to celebrate!
Let's take a look at the inital complaint here, and you will notice that NOTHING was mentioned in the response BlueSkyLife posted above regarding Butt's continuous lying:
Dear Board of Directors,
We, the foreign flight instructors of Beijing PanAm International Aviation Academy, would like to address the following concerns expressed below.
Our major concern is that of the status of our current President and CEO, Mr. Brian Butt. As a group, we feel that Brian has performed inadequately as the President of Beijing PanAm. Throughout his employment thus far, he has shown a lack of respect and professionalism to all employees of Beijing PanAm. Over the past several months, he and his management team have successfully alienated themselves from the foreign instructors, but we also believe from a majority of the Chinese staff and students. We no longer have any confidence in the decisions that he makes, as well as his ability to lead this company through this difficult period and into a successful future.
Upon his arrival at Beijing PanAm, Brian proceeded to sit down with our acting CFI and ACFI of Baotou, two people who wanted the positions for the right reasons, and insulted and belittled them to the point they stepped down from those positions. This attitude towards employees of Beijing PanAm has not changed. During many of our meetings with Brian, he has belittled and shown a lack of respect for both the foreign instructors and Chinese employees, even when both groups were present in the same room together.
In addition, the company has lost quality instructors, that it has invested large amounts of money in, due to the fact that he was offering unreasonable contract renewal terms. These terms were often less desirable than the first contract the instructors signed with Beijing PanAm. This approach towards the contracts has also affected the company’s ability to recruit new instructors and is one of the main reasons instructors are looking for employment elsewhere.
Due to a lack of leadership and communication throughout this tough financial period for Beijing PanAm and its employees, morale has been forced lower than any other period in Beijing PanAm’s history. Brian has shown numerous times that his “word” means nothing, and he consequently no longer has any credibility with the foreign instructors. Most things we have been told in meetings have been false statements. While these may have been meant to keep instructors with Beijing PanAm, they have had the opposite effect because we continually find out those statements are indeed false.
So at this time, with the best interests of the company and its customers in mind, we respectfully request the resignation or removal of Mr. Brian Butt from the position of President, CEO of Beijing PanAm.
Sincerely,
Beijing PanAm Foreign Flight Instructors
Now, let's post the response in it's entirity:
Thank you for the feedback. These are very difficult and trying times for all of us. As you may know, Brian does not control when new funding may come in. As you may also expect, things never go accordingly to plan when the financial markets are as volatile as it is now. The situation at BPA is dire and Brian has made numerous sacrifices to get BPA on track. I will not get into particulars on this email but suffice it to say that he continues to put the financial situation of the Company before himself. Things are never as simple as it seems on the surface and actions can often be misinterpreted from its true intent. The main thing is that BPA needs everyone's support to pull through and not divided interests. We are hopeful of a financial solution that will put BPA back on the path to stable growth. In the meantime, we request that we think and move as a team.
Rds,
Peter Whang
BPA BOD member
AIG Investments
Managing Director
Let's also not fail to mention that only 11 instructors signed the petition, and none of the Agentinians signed..!!!! What does that tell you?
MB
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Hat's Off To Mario
Mario,
Great post, dude! I left the commies a year ago, and laugh at all this crap on layovers!!!
Dude, YOU AND AIG ARE ONE OF THE REASONS THE FINANCIAL MARKETS ARE VOLITILE, BECAUSE YOU MAKE BAD INVESTMENTS AND HIRE A RAGING MANIAC TO RUN YOUR OPERATION.
Mario, it's not 80 billion; it's like 150 billion!!!! Check out the latest from Washington posted on Yahoo:
WASHINGTON – The government on Monday provided new financial assistance to troubled insurance giant American International Group, including pouring $40 billion into the company in return for partial ownership.
The action, announced jointly by the Federal Reserve and the Treasury Department, was taken as it became increasingly clear that an original financial lifeline thrown to AIG in September would not be sufficient to stabilize the teetering company. All told, the moves boost aid to the company to around $150 billion.
Who's this guy trying to fool, here? $150 billion bailout, and you guys can't get paid!!! This is the laugh of the century if you hang around there.
Keep up the great posts, instructors!!!
Great post, dude! I left the commies a year ago, and laugh at all this crap on layovers!!!
things never go accordingly to plan when the financial markets are as volatile as it is now.
Dude, YOU AND AIG ARE ONE OF THE REASONS THE FINANCIAL MARKETS ARE VOLITILE, BECAUSE YOU MAKE BAD INVESTMENTS AND HIRE A RAGING MANIAC TO RUN YOUR OPERATION.
Mario, it's not 80 billion; it's like 150 billion!!!! Check out the latest from Washington posted on Yahoo:
WASHINGTON – The government on Monday provided new financial assistance to troubled insurance giant American International Group, including pouring $40 billion into the company in return for partial ownership.
The action, announced jointly by the Federal Reserve and the Treasury Department, was taken as it became increasingly clear that an original financial lifeline thrown to AIG in September would not be sufficient to stabilize the teetering company. All told, the moves boost aid to the company to around $150 billion.
Who's this guy trying to fool, here? $150 billion bailout, and you guys can't get paid!!! This is the laugh of the century if you hang around there.
Keep up the great posts, instructors!!!
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The honest truths
YOU AND AIG ARE ONE OF THE REASONS THE FINANCIAL MARKETS ARE VOLITILE, BECAUSE YOU MAKE BAD INVESTMENTS AND HIRE A RAGING MANIAC TO RUN YOUR OPERATION.
Genghis,you couldn't have put it any better.Clearly these people from AIG couldn't give a crap about those CFIs
You guys are not indispensable but the CEO is!How can Pan Am operate without Butt?I wouldn't comment about the Argentinians though,they have their reasons I am sure!
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Total Mis-management
Before I begin this post, I'd like to refer to a quote made by a U.S. Congressman on the recent $700 billion bailout:
I sat through 1 full year of the BPIAA "BS" and heard promises, promises, promises from the Chinese management. I was personally interviewed by two representatives from AIG during my employment there where I was questioned as to my insite into the company structure and problems they were having. Several other people were interviewed as well, and as I see it now, none of our recommendations or complaints were even considered.
AIG was wrapped up in believing the lies of the "Li Brothers", Ding, and a host of other Chinese dignataries instead of listening to the professional aviators and managers that told them the truth about the payoffs to ATC, military, and other agencies in order to fly.
It was disclosed that the Bejing Office, under the direction of Jack Li, had never reported the loss of revenue due to the non-payment by the airlines because the students could'nt graduate. When Li was asked, in the meeting with AIG, of which I was present since I was a Class Manager, Li humiliated all of us by saying "the instructors are not efficient." We, on the other hand, informed AIG that we were not allowed to fly due to the weather, ATC delays, and military delays. They just brushed this off and believed Jack Li. We all know why we couldn't fly, but was never able to convince AIG of this problem, which still prevails at BPIAA.
I recall Pat Murphy and Howard Davenport getting into a heated argument with two AIG representatives over the efficiency issue. It was after this argument that AIG removed Jack Li from his position, and replaced him with who?....Tu, who was just as guilty as Jack. The foreigners, (management and instructors), who were suppose to be the experts, were never listened to, and the Chinese, who were competing to be "Top Dog" for status, succeeded in destroying the company.
So, who does AIG replace Tu with?.....not someone with credibility, but a dictator, Chinese president whom they think can resurrect an already failed operation just because he has "6000 hours" flight time.
Now the instructors still left there are suffering from both BPIAA and AIG mis-management. Don't think for one minute that AIG is going to try and salvage BPIAA. They are aggressively searching for un-informed investors to re-coup their losses and do a reverse "bail out."
If there are any U.S. instructors left at that place, I'd write your congressman in your district to file a complaint against AIG operations in Asia. You would be suprised as to what a congressional inquiry would do. Although they may not remove Butt, they could still inquire as to why you're not being paid per your contract.
Since AIG in Asia is governed by the U.S. headquarters, it may be beneficial to file a complaint with them.
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One of the most dangerous effects of this bailout is the incredibly elevated risk of moral hazard in the future. The worst performing financial services firms, even those who have been taken over by the government or have filed for bankruptcy, will find all of their poor decision-making rewarded. What incentive do Wall Street firms or any other large concerns have to make sound financial decisions, now that they see the federal government bailing out private companies to the tune of trillions of dollars? As Congress did with the legislation authorizing the Fannie and Freddie bailout, it proposes a solution that exacerbates and encourages the problematic behavior that led to this crisis in the first place.
AIG was wrapped up in believing the lies of the "Li Brothers", Ding, and a host of other Chinese dignataries instead of listening to the professional aviators and managers that told them the truth about the payoffs to ATC, military, and other agencies in order to fly.
It was disclosed that the Bejing Office, under the direction of Jack Li, had never reported the loss of revenue due to the non-payment by the airlines because the students could'nt graduate. When Li was asked, in the meeting with AIG, of which I was present since I was a Class Manager, Li humiliated all of us by saying "the instructors are not efficient." We, on the other hand, informed AIG that we were not allowed to fly due to the weather, ATC delays, and military delays. They just brushed this off and believed Jack Li. We all know why we couldn't fly, but was never able to convince AIG of this problem, which still prevails at BPIAA.
I recall Pat Murphy and Howard Davenport getting into a heated argument with two AIG representatives over the efficiency issue. It was after this argument that AIG removed Jack Li from his position, and replaced him with who?....Tu, who was just as guilty as Jack. The foreigners, (management and instructors), who were suppose to be the experts, were never listened to, and the Chinese, who were competing to be "Top Dog" for status, succeeded in destroying the company.
So, who does AIG replace Tu with?.....not someone with credibility, but a dictator, Chinese president whom they think can resurrect an already failed operation just because he has "6000 hours" flight time.
Now the instructors still left there are suffering from both BPIAA and AIG mis-management. Don't think for one minute that AIG is going to try and salvage BPIAA. They are aggressively searching for un-informed investors to re-coup their losses and do a reverse "bail out."
If there are any U.S. instructors left at that place, I'd write your congressman in your district to file a complaint against AIG operations in Asia. You would be suprised as to what a congressional inquiry would do. Although they may not remove Butt, they could still inquire as to why you're not being paid per your contract.
Since AIG in Asia is governed by the U.S. headquarters, it may be beneficial to file a complaint with them.
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Rumours circulating at the moment is that AIG's shares have been bought out by a Chinese investor. No-one's saying much at the moment, but one noticeable difference is that we're now flying again and have been doing so for one week. Still the same bull**** with military restrictions and limited cross-country flights, though, but at least we're flying again.
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Time to move your BUTT
Many of us who left Pan Am are so excited to see how things are going to unfold this month.Heard many of you wanted Butt removed?otherwise?Walk the talk my fellow instructors, or you might as well exile yourself to the Patagonian Andes with your tail between your legs.
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What's going on?
Are we getting paid today?
Butt never inform us what's going on about new investors and our November salary. How can this person be called a CEO? He is the most irresponsible and unprofessional CEO I have ever met.
I am sure many of us will leave if we don't hear from the company by today.
Butt never inform us what's going on about new investors and our November salary. How can this person be called a CEO? He is the most irresponsible and unprofessional CEO I have ever met.
I am sure many of us will leave if we don't hear from the company by today.