Jet Airways B777 recruitment?
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Hotbreak, what makes you think I'm not current on type? Or that I won't pass a medical or the assessment? They're hardly going to advertise for pilots and then fail everyone on their assessment, are they? A pretty daft post if you ask me.
Can't quite get why hotbreak and others are getting so excited about doing a "manual raw data ILS 35knts, ninety degrees cross on the right seat auto trust off". Having been on the 777 for an awful long time the excitement in saying the above - is just that: in saying it. Most modern airlines have that rather nice bit of information called TRACK and when on the localiser and TRACKING the inbound course then who gives a rats ass what the wind is! Now if the so called "checker " in the back wants to fool around with the wind from right xwind to left to right then that can be a challenge - but that is just being foolish.
Thing is most airlines want you to use automation to its fullest extent. Come interview time one then has to show how good you are with no automation!!
Something wrong here I think.
Thing is most airlines want you to use automation to its fullest extent. Come interview time one then has to show how good you are with no automation!!
Something wrong here I think.
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Thing is most airlines want you to use automation to its fullest extent. Come interview time one then has to show how good you are with no automation!!
Something wrong here I think.
Something wrong here I think.
. I conduct line training with a good deal of hands on raw data flying... even for approaches. Good for proficiency and confidence building.
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Wholly cow, if that isn’t the biggest load of bull manure that I have heard in a while.
If you are Typed rated and current on the B777 with over 700 hours PIC, and a professional in good health you will do just fine.
Don’t worry the biggest problem is the rotation 6 weeks and only 2 weeks off. Most of the guys are pretty good Joes!
If you have any questions drop me a line.
Wholly cow, if that isn’t the biggest load of bull manure that I have heard in a while.
If you are Typed rated and current on the B777 with over 700 hours PIC, and a professional in good health you will do just fine.
Don’t worry the biggest problem is the rotation 6 weeks and only 2 weeks off. Most of the guys are pretty good Joes!
If you have any questions drop me a line.
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Hey Corsair
Don't do it
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Unless you:
- hate your family or the life you have back home;
- or, reversely, are hated by them;
- or are desperately broken,
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Unless you:
- hate your family or the life you have back home;
- or, reversely, are hated by them;
- or are desperately broken,
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India can be a tough place to work, especially Mumbai, but there are plenty of worse places to consider doing a contract and you will overall appreciate your experience there even if to say, "been there, done that."
Having flown for Jet Airways on more than one contract, I would suggest you go into the opportunity with an open mind. Some things they do better than Western carriers and will sort of blow your mind. While other things they do will make you laugh. No airline is perfect and the grass is always greener I suppose.
You can expect your contract to get violated here and there but it will be mostly honored. That is the same in the Western world so no nothing new there. When Jet violated my T&Cs I gave it back to them in work ethic, or lack thereof. So what goes around comes around... and they knew it. A lot of times directives to cut this or that from the pilot T&Cs come from way above. And those upper level execs are pretty much clueless as to what results come from screwing over skilled equipment operators. The mid-level managers are powerless in the process so they don't seem all that bothered when a pilot loses motivation to help out. Just the way it goes in business.
The government there has done a stellar job of helping Indians to be proud of their country vs 10-15 years ago. Often that comes across as offensive or racist to the foreign expat worker. But that is government's job, to promote nationalism, so I can find little fault there in both their government or their citizens. It's harder for us Westernes to understand that because so many millions of foreigners, especially South Asians, are welcomed in our country with open arms while in India it is the complete opposite. The problem lies within when those who work in the gov't infrastructure, or corporate institutions, refuse to accept criticism or suggestions because they believe in "the Indian way". I think that's a lot of the reason of why aviation there has sort of stalled in it's growth trajectory, as well as the overall Indian economy (see: India headed for economic doom, prominent US thinktank says - The Times of India). Sometimes they seem to want to reinvent the wheel when there are far simpler ways to address certain problems. But it's their country, so let them do with it what they want.
If you accept employment there, just understand that you are a very temporary contract worker. They don't have anything against you personally, unless your an a$$hole, but they just want you out sooner than later because they want to "Indian-ize" everything they can.
The irony is, as much as the younger pilots complain about foreign pilots, they often loathe their Indian senior commanders, many of which are Machiavellian or autocratic in their cockpit management style. So while they complain to their friends about "foreign pilots delaying their command training", they equally complain about the Indian commanders who won't give them any flying or who bite their hand every time they assert themselves in a CRM situation.
Having flown for Jet Airways on more than one contract, I would suggest you go into the opportunity with an open mind. Some things they do better than Western carriers and will sort of blow your mind. While other things they do will make you laugh. No airline is perfect and the grass is always greener I suppose.
You can expect your contract to get violated here and there but it will be mostly honored. That is the same in the Western world so no nothing new there. When Jet violated my T&Cs I gave it back to them in work ethic, or lack thereof. So what goes around comes around... and they knew it. A lot of times directives to cut this or that from the pilot T&Cs come from way above. And those upper level execs are pretty much clueless as to what results come from screwing over skilled equipment operators. The mid-level managers are powerless in the process so they don't seem all that bothered when a pilot loses motivation to help out. Just the way it goes in business.
The government there has done a stellar job of helping Indians to be proud of their country vs 10-15 years ago. Often that comes across as offensive or racist to the foreign expat worker. But that is government's job, to promote nationalism, so I can find little fault there in both their government or their citizens. It's harder for us Westernes to understand that because so many millions of foreigners, especially South Asians, are welcomed in our country with open arms while in India it is the complete opposite. The problem lies within when those who work in the gov't infrastructure, or corporate institutions, refuse to accept criticism or suggestions because they believe in "the Indian way". I think that's a lot of the reason of why aviation there has sort of stalled in it's growth trajectory, as well as the overall Indian economy (see: India headed for economic doom, prominent US thinktank says - The Times of India). Sometimes they seem to want to reinvent the wheel when there are far simpler ways to address certain problems. But it's their country, so let them do with it what they want.
If you accept employment there, just understand that you are a very temporary contract worker. They don't have anything against you personally, unless your an a$$hole, but they just want you out sooner than later because they want to "Indian-ize" everything they can.
The irony is, as much as the younger pilots complain about foreign pilots, they often loathe their Indian senior commanders, many of which are Machiavellian or autocratic in their cockpit management style. So while they complain to their friends about "foreign pilots delaying their command training", they equally complain about the Indian commanders who won't give them any flying or who bite their hand every time they assert themselves in a CRM situation.
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Well said, TAC!
"Oh I’m sure they will get a few captains with low self esteem, under qualified, broke, or just plain dirt stupid, but the rest need to stand your ground."
The vast majority that joined after the contract went to the current stage were types described above, with the plain stupid ones being the biggest group.
The advertised need of 75 or 100 pilots is obviously unrealistic as this is only a way the management message the locals to behave well otherwise no more promotions from the 737...
On the other hand company policy has been like this: they hired a lot of expats for 777 to furlough them all at he early onset of the crisis, in 2008/9. It was the same on A330 and more recently, following a recruitment boom on 737 they fired the pilots after few months on the property...policy changes with wind direction. Some resigned from Ryanair for this adventure and find themselves jobless. Hardly any consistent business plan.
The vast majority that joined after the contract went to the current stage were types described above, with the plain stupid ones being the biggest group.
The advertised need of 75 or 100 pilots is obviously unrealistic as this is only a way the management message the locals to behave well otherwise no more promotions from the 737...
On the other hand company policy has been like this: they hired a lot of expats for 777 to furlough them all at he early onset of the crisis, in 2008/9. It was the same on A330 and more recently, following a recruitment boom on 737 they fired the pilots after few months on the property...policy changes with wind direction. Some resigned from Ryanair for this adventure and find themselves jobless. Hardly any consistent business plan.
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Read somewhere that there is a Malaysian ex MAS/Jetairways bigwig who can help fast track pilots into Jet Airways. Is he still actively in the business? Any contacts? What are the chances of someone with about 2600 PIC hours on the B737 getting in as DEC? Thank you.
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Read somewhere that there is a Malaysian ex MAS/Jetairways bigwig who can help fast track pilots into Jet Airways. Is he still actively in the business? Any contacts? What are the chances of someone with about 2600 PIC hours on the B737 getting in as DEC? Thank you.
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NOPE
These "options" are just wishfull thinking.
The only option available is the 6 x 2, 11K.
Of course, if there's no takers they will have to come up with something better.
The only option available is the 6 x 2, 11K.
Of course, if there's no takers they will have to come up with something better.
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Jet to dry lease 3 Boeing 777 to Turkish for 1 year and take in 2 Boeing 777 for themselves
Jet Airways to extend code-share with Etihad - The Economic Times
Jet Airways to extend code-share with Etihad - The Economic Times
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Jet Airways Recruitment in Malaysia
San Pedro, I trust you are referring to a certain titled ex MAS low life by the name of latuk g stringh. Read this thread which had, unfortunately, been closed:
http://www.pprune.org/south-asia-far...itment+Malasia
http://www.pprune.org/south-asia-far...itment+Malasia
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Hi all
This question may of been asked or answered on here before but I can't find it. Does anyone know what the hotel situation is for this? I've heard from a few people that they are currently using the premier inn at LHR as they didn't pay their previous hotel bill, but in HKG they are using the Conrad? Is this correct? What are the hotels like in BOM/DEL for the contracted pilots?
Many thanks if anyonme could give me an update, thanks
This question may of been asked or answered on here before but I can't find it. Does anyone know what the hotel situation is for this? I've heard from a few people that they are currently using the premier inn at LHR as they didn't pay their previous hotel bill, but in HKG they are using the Conrad? Is this correct? What are the hotels like in BOM/DEL for the contracted pilots?
Many thanks if anyonme could give me an update, thanks
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Thanks OBP
What are the layover like in LHR/HKG I'm guessing anything from 24-36hrs?
Thought they were in the Conrad as seen an airline there with similar uniforms.
Are you based on the 777?
What are the layover like in LHR/HKG I'm guessing anything from 24-36hrs?
Thought they were in the Conrad as seen an airline there with similar uniforms.
Are you based on the 777?
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Following services to be operated by Jet Airways Boeing 777-300ER aircraft:
Istanbul Ataturk – London Heathrow 03JUN13 – 30JUN13 TK1985/1986 Daily
Istanbul Ataturk – Sao Paulo – Buenos Aires eff 01JUL13 Daily
Istanbul Ataturk – Seoul Incheon eff 01JUL13 Daily (Replacing A340-300)
Comfort Class service is not available on Jet Airways aircraft while First Class cabin is sold as Business Class.
Istanbul Ataturk – London Heathrow 03JUN13 – 30JUN13 TK1985/1986 Daily
Istanbul Ataturk – Sao Paulo – Buenos Aires eff 01JUL13 Daily
Istanbul Ataturk – Seoul Incheon eff 01JUL13 Daily (Replacing A340-300)
Comfort Class service is not available on Jet Airways aircraft while First Class cabin is sold as Business Class.
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Corsair you're spot on!
Nobody in their right mind set can imagine any kind of family quality life on this kind of rotation.
Too much to give up for too little in return.
Only greed or desperation could justify such a move.
Nobody in their right mind set can imagine any kind of family quality life on this kind of rotation.
Too much to give up for too little in return.
Only greed or desperation could justify such a move.