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I suggest the foreign pilot who hates working at NCA consider the following... if you don't like it, go apply for a job in America or Canada and go back working for $ 50.00 an hour.
Stop your whining...If you spent just 6 months in training, you have no idea what the training was like in the old days. In the old days we spent 10 months in training at Japan Airlines in Tokyo, before we finished our type rating ride in the airplane in Moses Lake, Washington.
Remember; foreigners are second class citizens, never forget that.
I wrote this several days ago. Asian culture is...
Having flown for six years at Japan Airlines, Asian culture is.....
1) Accepting the fact that as a foreigner, you are a second class citizen.
2) In training, you are inferior to the local pilot, but we locals can train you to our standards.
3) As a foreigner, never question why the Asian airline does things this way or that way. And never ask why you don't do it the American way or the Canadian way. That will get you fired immediately.
4) Their standards can be difficult to understand and /or adjust too as a foreigner.
5) Never ask the WHY question (Japanese "DO****A"). i.e... Why does this do that? Or why do you do it that way? It places Asians in an uncomfortable position of explaining something they themselves don't know. Because Asian society accepts things as fact.
6) In Japan, discrimination will exist. (Very subtle). Foreigners can't just rent a place to live anywhere. Often Japanese landlords won't allow foreigners to rent from them. So, often foreigners are forced to live in a central location with other foreigners...like Yokahama.
7) JAL ticket agents were notorious for attempting to downgrade foreign aircrew members from First to Business (Captain's) and Business to Coach
(First Officers and Flight Engineers) when deadheading on International legs. While providing First and Business class seats to Japanese crews on the very same flight.
8) One foreign JAL Captain, who was fluent in Japanese, was subjected to a Japanese (JAL) Flight Attendant racial slur. She had apologized to a Japanese businessman -in Japanese- who was sitting next to the foreign JAL captain in first class (he was deadheading out of uniform) between Hawaii and Tokyo. That the airline was sorry that he (the businessman) had to sit next to the smelly foreigner in First Class and there were no other seats to relocate the businessman too.
The Koreans aren't afraid to... "Stick it to the foreigners" if need be, where the Japanese try to put on a façade of being polite.
Koreans have a belief of “Self Juche”, or Self Reliance. This is more prevalent with North Koreans, but applies to South Koreans as well. It’s one reason Korean Air Pilot’s can’t stand the fact foreigners are flying for the national airline and not Korean nationals. And one of the reasons they make it difficult to work for Korean Air. And to a lesser degree, Asiana. The bottom line is… ”you’re not welcome.”
The reason your there is of course...airline accidents.
Stop your whining...If you spent just 6 months in training, you have no idea what the training was like in the old days. In the old days we spent 10 months in training at Japan Airlines in Tokyo, before we finished our type rating ride in the airplane in Moses Lake, Washington.
Remember; foreigners are second class citizens, never forget that.
I wrote this several days ago. Asian culture is...
Having flown for six years at Japan Airlines, Asian culture is.....
1) Accepting the fact that as a foreigner, you are a second class citizen.
2) In training, you are inferior to the local pilot, but we locals can train you to our standards.
3) As a foreigner, never question why the Asian airline does things this way or that way. And never ask why you don't do it the American way or the Canadian way. That will get you fired immediately.
4) Their standards can be difficult to understand and /or adjust too as a foreigner.
5) Never ask the WHY question (Japanese "DO****A"). i.e... Why does this do that? Or why do you do it that way? It places Asians in an uncomfortable position of explaining something they themselves don't know. Because Asian society accepts things as fact.
6) In Japan, discrimination will exist. (Very subtle). Foreigners can't just rent a place to live anywhere. Often Japanese landlords won't allow foreigners to rent from them. So, often foreigners are forced to live in a central location with other foreigners...like Yokahama.
7) JAL ticket agents were notorious for attempting to downgrade foreign aircrew members from First to Business (Captain's) and Business to Coach
(First Officers and Flight Engineers) when deadheading on International legs. While providing First and Business class seats to Japanese crews on the very same flight.
8) One foreign JAL Captain, who was fluent in Japanese, was subjected to a Japanese (JAL) Flight Attendant racial slur. She had apologized to a Japanese businessman -in Japanese- who was sitting next to the foreign JAL captain in first class (he was deadheading out of uniform) between Hawaii and Tokyo. That the airline was sorry that he (the businessman) had to sit next to the smelly foreigner in First Class and there were no other seats to relocate the businessman too.
The Koreans aren't afraid to... "Stick it to the foreigners" if need be, where the Japanese try to put on a façade of being polite.
Koreans have a belief of “Self Juche”, or Self Reliance. This is more prevalent with North Koreans, but applies to South Koreans as well. It’s one reason Korean Air Pilot’s can’t stand the fact foreigners are flying for the national airline and not Korean nationals. And one of the reasons they make it difficult to work for Korean Air. And to a lesser degree, Asiana. The bottom line is… ”you’re not welcome.”
The reason your there is of course...airline accidents.
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Nobody said anything about hate!
It surely sounds like you hated it, reading your post.
Just enlightning the wannabees, that they can make an informed decision before they apply to NCA.
It surely sounds like you hated it, reading your post.
Just enlightning the wannabees, that they can make an informed decision before they apply to NCA.
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Blade - I'm sure because I'm sure, I wouldn't say so if I wasn't.
Why is it a surprise that someone without a command rating would be turned down when responding to this advert:
- Total flight time in excess of 3,000 hours
- 500 hours on commercial jet
- 150 hours or more on B747-400
- First Officer’s MUST have a command rating on B747-400
- ICAO Licence and Class 1 Medical
Angryblackman. I have to ask - have you ever seen the Monty Python Yorkshiremen sketch? 'Ouse, we used to dream of living in an 'ouse. We used to live in shoe box int middle of road.
Why is it a surprise that someone without a command rating would be turned down when responding to this advert:
- Total flight time in excess of 3,000 hours
- 500 hours on commercial jet
- 150 hours or more on B747-400
- First Officer’s MUST have a command rating on B747-400
- ICAO Licence and Class 1 Medical
Angryblackman. I have to ask - have you ever seen the Monty Python Yorkshiremen sketch? 'Ouse, we used to dream of living in an 'ouse. We used to live in shoe box int middle of road.
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NCA is in a big transformation at the moment. That is not happening without the usual struggles.
Here are some of the facts:
-the classic will retire in March of 2008, well ahead of schedule
-that means only 6 747-400 for the time being
-3 more deliveries for fiscal year 2008
-AMS based captains work very hard, copilots are somewhat ok
-SFO no complaints so far
-JFK nice and quite as usual but uncertain now the classics will retire
-training on the 400 is 3 months in Tokyo and about 2 months in NRT
-struggles with the yankee dollar
-no information being provided to the pilotgroup
-Parc seems to be the no1 provider
Just some facts, not all of them.
Do the interview and make your own decision.
Here are some of the facts:
-the classic will retire in March of 2008, well ahead of schedule
-that means only 6 747-400 for the time being
-3 more deliveries for fiscal year 2008
-AMS based captains work very hard, copilots are somewhat ok
-SFO no complaints so far
-JFK nice and quite as usual but uncertain now the classics will retire
-training on the 400 is 3 months in Tokyo and about 2 months in NRT
-struggles with the yankee dollar
-no information being provided to the pilotgroup
-Parc seems to be the no1 provider
Just some facts, not all of them.
Do the interview and make your own decision.
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I just completed my app for NCA, sent to me by Parc is there any truth to the rumour that any wide body P1 will do.
And info on the interview will be greatly apreciated.
And info on the interview will be greatly apreciated.
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When you join NCA, AJV, AJX you get a Jap ATP based on your current licence. Thus to get the ATP you have to be rated as P1 on type. Thus NCA send a few guys without a P1 on type to the States to get a P1 on type to be able to train in Japan.
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Nca, Japanese
They Are Really Funny To Ask Command Rating For Fo In Japan, Why Should I Be An Fo If I Have A Command Rating? You Are Right I Wish Them Goodluck In Their Search.
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angryblackman,
you sounds racist in your last post. may be you had some real bad experiences.
I too, faced the same situation before.
I was in Middle East for wide body interview with a very reputable airlines.
Guess what, the office boy ( no race mention) gave no damn about me (which i couldn't care less) and bypass me a few times while dealing with some "Whitees".
These few "Whitees" were talking loudly and boasting about flying. I was offended as I made initial move to intro myself, they looked at me one kind as thou I just burnt their home! No hello, no eye contacts whatever...
Why? Because I'm Asian?
So, where do we draw the line here? Who treated who as 2nd class or even as scum of the earth?
Let's be fair, indifference treatment,discrimination, racial bias happen every where!
Just stay clean!
Guess what, these "Whitees" really feel uncomfortable later on in their flying career because...... someone they discriminised earlier on, watched over them in their job!
Equal World = Equal Treatment
you sounds racist in your last post. may be you had some real bad experiences.
I too, faced the same situation before.
I was in Middle East for wide body interview with a very reputable airlines.
Guess what, the office boy ( no race mention) gave no damn about me (which i couldn't care less) and bypass me a few times while dealing with some "Whitees".
These few "Whitees" were talking loudly and boasting about flying. I was offended as I made initial move to intro myself, they looked at me one kind as thou I just burnt their home! No hello, no eye contacts whatever...
Why? Because I'm Asian?
So, where do we draw the line here? Who treated who as 2nd class or even as scum of the earth?
Let's be fair, indifference treatment,discrimination, racial bias happen every where!
Just stay clean!
Guess what, these "Whitees" really feel uncomfortable later on in their flying career because...... someone they discriminised earlier on, watched over them in their job!
Equal World = Equal Treatment
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ABTZ,
Your not getting it. Its not a "Captain" rating as such.... with Capt time on type etc etc. Of course you wouldnt downgrade to FO..or at least most people wouldnt unless your gaing ALOT in lifestyle. Its just called a "command" rating in that its not a "second in command" rating, like some countries give. They just want to make sure you have the blanket rating. In alot of countries, you just get a rating...and its the same for FO's and Capt's. Its the company that upgrades you and it has nothing to do with your rating. However some countries actually differenciate between FO and Capt ratings. The japanese just dont want an "FO rating". Its mandated by the JCAB. It doent mean you were a capt when you applied. Get it??
Your not getting it. Its not a "Captain" rating as such.... with Capt time on type etc etc. Of course you wouldnt downgrade to FO..or at least most people wouldnt unless your gaing ALOT in lifestyle. Its just called a "command" rating in that its not a "second in command" rating, like some countries give. They just want to make sure you have the blanket rating. In alot of countries, you just get a rating...and its the same for FO's and Capt's. Its the company that upgrades you and it has nothing to do with your rating. However some countries actually differenciate between FO and Capt ratings. The japanese just dont want an "FO rating". Its mandated by the JCAB. It doent mean you were a capt when you applied. Get it??
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I have a Canadian 744 type on my license. I'm an FO though and did my ride in the right seat. I dont know if Canada differentiates between Capt and FO on your licence, but rather on your PPC. Am I right on this?
Would NCA consider this a good qualification?
BTW, thanks for the heads up on the NCA situation. Have to think about that.
Would NCA consider this a good qualification?
BTW, thanks for the heads up on the NCA situation. Have to think about that.
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As 555Orange says, you guys aren't getting it.
Most countries, when you do an aircraft rating, issue you a P1 (Command Rating). Regardless of which seat you did it in in the sim and regardless of how the company wants to employ you (FO or Capt).
Australia is one I can think of that doesn't do that so an FO in Australian airlines will have FO designated on his licence for that aircraft type.
The JCAB does not recognize an FO rating on a jet aircraft. You need a P1 "Command Rating" on your licence. It doesn't matter if you were not employed as a Captain in a previous life.
In Japan, when you do your sim training, even the guys employed as FO's still do all their sim training from the left seat. The company then puts them in the right seat and employs them as FO's.
As for your Canadian licence I'm not sure but I think you would have a P1 Command Rating.
Cheers.
Most countries, when you do an aircraft rating, issue you a P1 (Command Rating). Regardless of which seat you did it in in the sim and regardless of how the company wants to employ you (FO or Capt).
Australia is one I can think of that doesn't do that so an FO in Australian airlines will have FO designated on his licence for that aircraft type.
The JCAB does not recognize an FO rating on a jet aircraft. You need a P1 "Command Rating" on your licence. It doesn't matter if you were not employed as a Captain in a previous life.
In Japan, when you do your sim training, even the guys employed as FO's still do all their sim training from the left seat. The company then puts them in the right seat and employs them as FO's.
As for your Canadian licence I'm not sure but I think you would have a P1 Command Rating.
Cheers.
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I should add that the fact the Japanese train FO's in the left seat of the sim is just a quirk of the JCAB. You do not need to be trained in the left seat in your previous airline to have the P1 Command rating. You just can't have FO annotated on your licence like you would in Australia.
Having said all that when Ansett Airlines fell over a bunch of Ansett FO's paid for some sim time and did a P1 Command Rating Check with a CASA Checker, on what ever aircraft they were flying at the time in Australia to get a job in Japan.
So it's not impossible to get around the problem.
Having said all that when Ansett Airlines fell over a bunch of Ansett FO's paid for some sim time and did a P1 Command Rating Check with a CASA Checker, on what ever aircraft they were flying at the time in Australia to get a job in Japan.
So it's not impossible to get around the problem.
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Time to command best guessed at 3-5 years (don't be lead by the agencies telling you less time - hasn't happened!)
Contract is for 10 days off a month, plan on that, anything extra is a bonus. The "good old days" of working 14 days a month are long gone. Bear in mind if you ask for days off near the start of one month and near the end of the next, you will be on the road for 30+ days in between. Travel to base on your days off to start work too, so our long haul commuters are getting 7-8 nights home a month.
Contract is for 10 days off a month, plan on that, anything extra is a bonus. The "good old days" of working 14 days a month are long gone. Bear in mind if you ask for days off near the start of one month and near the end of the next, you will be on the road for 30+ days in between. Travel to base on your days off to start work too, so our long haul commuters are getting 7-8 nights home a month.