Expat Pilots In India !!!!!!!!!!
Hm, and I thought calculus was 'invented/developed' by Newton and Leibniz. Although, an ancient greek guy; cant remember his name, already had thoughts in that direction. Imagine how our world would look like if the greeks had developed calculus 2000y ago.
Now back to the original topic, what are the chances of securing a F/O job with letīs say Kingfisher (Really like their swimmsuite calendar)?
Now back to the original topic, what are the chances of securing a F/O job with letīs say Kingfisher (Really like their swimmsuite calendar)?
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rdr, Sorry to put you in a fit.
I was truly interested in an Indian's opinion of a place to live/work in India that might be more like what I am used to in the USA. Perhaps I did not do a very good job of asking for that.
I was thinking if there were such a place in India then I could think about staying longer. What I have heard is many people (including Indian's) choose to leave when they can and as soon as they can.
I was truly interested in an Indian's opinion of a place to live/work in India that might be more like what I am used to in the USA. Perhaps I did not do a very good job of asking for that.
I was thinking if there were such a place in India then I could think about staying longer. What I have heard is many people (including Indian's) choose to leave when they can and as soon as they can.
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hi all
OK first off I'm a local based in mumbai with one of the private carriers....
I'm from south India and initially it was tough getting used to mumbai(the crazy traffic jams , poor infrastructure, overpopulated and crowded city, a lot of poor people living in subhuman conditions etc etc) ...it's easy to understand the apprehensions that expats will have of moving over to India , especially if they're based in mumbai ....
r things improving? there are many projects in the pipeline( new roads,highways,bridges, metro projects, housing schemes for the slum dwellers,new airports ,parks,clean up drives etc etc) and in spite of our politicians , I expect Indian metros to be somewhere close to other major asian cities in the next 10-15 years , thats my view anyway.
Most Indians are very patriotic and although we know things are not the best in our country , we hate it when it's pointed out to us, especially by foreigners
but it's the truth and we need to accept it to move forward , the message given to us by our politicians( india shining, incredible India ) is only half true , they do it for their votebank , neways that's a topic on it's own .....
Ok regarding other bases in INDIA that would appeal to an expat , I think if you can stay at some of the non-metros ,some of the problems stated above can be avoided although things like lack of nightlife, occasional powercuts and water shortage can be expected,plus safety issues for foreign women in India is an altogether differnt topic.
hope this helps and jai hind to all.....
I'm from south India and initially it was tough getting used to mumbai(the crazy traffic jams , poor infrastructure, overpopulated and crowded city, a lot of poor people living in subhuman conditions etc etc) ...it's easy to understand the apprehensions that expats will have of moving over to India , especially if they're based in mumbai ....
r things improving? there are many projects in the pipeline( new roads,highways,bridges, metro projects, housing schemes for the slum dwellers,new airports ,parks,clean up drives etc etc) and in spite of our politicians , I expect Indian metros to be somewhere close to other major asian cities in the next 10-15 years , thats my view anyway.
Most Indians are very patriotic and although we know things are not the best in our country , we hate it when it's pointed out to us, especially by foreigners
but it's the truth and we need to accept it to move forward , the message given to us by our politicians( india shining, incredible India ) is only half true , they do it for their votebank , neways that's a topic on it's own .....Ok regarding other bases in INDIA that would appeal to an expat , I think if you can stay at some of the non-metros ,some of the problems stated above can be avoided although things like lack of nightlife, occasional powercuts and water shortage can be expected,plus safety issues for foreign women in India is an altogether differnt topic.
hope this helps and jai hind to all.....
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More info please?
Hi Masalama!
Please tell me more about foreign women in India? I plan to take my wife (Phillapina) with me to Mumbai and travel to other points from there once I find the safe places to travel. Are we going to be safe?
Thanks in advance for all information.
Please tell me more about foreign women in India? I plan to take my wife (Phillapina) with me to Mumbai and travel to other points from there once I find the safe places to travel. Are we going to be safe?
Thanks in advance for all information.
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hi county...
well I think mumbai has to be one of the safest places for women in India...U dont find people gawking and staring at women , a very cosmopolitan society I have to say , Delhi on the other hand can be dangerous , there have been many cases of attacks against women and not necessarily foreign .
In many parts of the country, women dont venture out after 2200 , I'm talking non-metros now ....take extra precautions when travelling alone at night , I think travelling during the day and just being sensible about where you go at night and modes of transport used should be fine ....I think your wife ,being asian should be able to adjust a bit easier to the change than someone from the US or western europe...
I'm a bit curious though, guys, with the market so good in the middle east and T's&C's so good out there for DEC's and the like, wouldnt a move to the sandpit be a better option than India ....not that you're not welcome out here.... just would be a bit easier on the family I'd think....neways...hope this helps....
well I think mumbai has to be one of the safest places for women in India...U dont find people gawking and staring at women , a very cosmopolitan society I have to say , Delhi on the other hand can be dangerous , there have been many cases of attacks against women and not necessarily foreign .
In many parts of the country, women dont venture out after 2200 , I'm talking non-metros now ....take extra precautions when travelling alone at night , I think travelling during the day and just being sensible about where you go at night and modes of transport used should be fine ....I think your wife ,being asian should be able to adjust a bit easier to the change than someone from the US or western europe...
I'm a bit curious though, guys, with the market so good in the middle east and T's&C's so good out there for DEC's and the like, wouldnt a move to the sandpit be a better option than India ....not that you're not welcome out here.... just would be a bit easier on the family I'd think....neways...hope this helps....
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Women's alone after hours
In many parts of the country, women dont venture out after 2200 , I'm talking non-metros now ....take extra precautions when travelling alone at night
Hi masalaman, is there any country/city in the world, besides Singapore, where the above is not applicable??
Common sense is "genius in street clothes," (pun not intended)
Hi masalaman, is there any country/city in the world, besides Singapore, where the above is not applicable??
Common sense is "genius in street clothes," (pun not intended)
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Its nice to see such enthusiasm, but Id like to give you some food for thought.
I first visited India in 1979, the same year I first travelled to China. At that time, India was some 20 years ahead of China in terms of development. Now, some 30 years later, China is 20 years ahead of India. In other words, despite the cleverest people in the world, India has in relative terms developed backwards.
It is wonderful for a country to boast that its a nuclear power, but perhaps other issues, such as giving the vast majority of the population a decent living environment might be more appropriate.
How about a 24/7 power supply? Even in Gurgaon the much-hyped new city which is supposed to be insulated from the daily infrastructure collapses that we have to put up with in the rest of the country multiple daily power cuts are frequent.
How about a 24/7 supply of drinking water? We have both city water (not safe for drinking) and a tap connected to a borehole, which is supposedly drinking water (but only available from 7.00 a.m. to 7.30 a.m. yes, 30 minutes per day!) and still has to be run through a filter before it looks and tastes safe for boiling.
How about roads (and I am not talking dual carriageways with 4 lanes in each direction just simple A-class roads) without potholes? How about a working sewerage and draining system?
I marvel at the TV commercials by HCL (Hindustan Computers Limited) that tell me what wonderful software this IT leader is making, for instance, for ATC. However, despite having two runways each, both Delhi and Bombay airports can manage less traffic than a single-runway airport such as Gatwick.
The same company boasts of software for the retail sector, yet at my supermarket in what is supposed to be Indias IT capital, more than 50% of my purchases cannot be scanned.
In a case particularly well know to me, Kingfisher beer is hauled over 500 km to a city with a Kingfisher brewery located 30 km away. Reason: the nearby brewery happens to be in another state and, apparently, it is illegal to transport liquor across the state line. Arent we living in one and the same country? Of course, the trucks that do the 500 km journey have the smart slogan save oil save India painted on their rear panels.
You cannot play the developing country card forever. In 1946, India was among one of the most developed countries in Asia and had suffered very little, if any, damage caused by WW II. My in-laws, who are Thai, tell me how they used to travel to Rangoon for shopping during the 1950s, because the stores there were better stocked than in Bangkok (!). This illustrates how far some countries have moved forward since then.
In order to move forward, it is essential to assess the present reality objectively. Just because there is a shopping mall and a McDonalds (that doesnt serve its signature BigMac, by the way) in a city doesnt mean it is world-class.
I wish India well, but in order to progress you need politicians who are dedicated to developing the country (as opposed to developing their own assets). Tell me, exactly what percentage of MPs have charges pending against them and/or have been convicted, some of them for murder? Are these the people you expect to bring progress to this country that, indeed, has great potential?
Its nice to see such enthusiasm, but Id like to give you some food for thought.
I first visited India in 1979, the same year I first travelled to China. At that time, India was some 20 years ahead of China in terms of development. Now, some 30 years later, China is 20 years ahead of India. In other words, despite the cleverest people in the world, India has in relative terms developed backwards.
It is wonderful for a country to boast that its a nuclear power, but perhaps other issues, such as giving the vast majority of the population a decent living environment might be more appropriate.
How about a 24/7 power supply? Even in Gurgaon the much-hyped new city which is supposed to be insulated from the daily infrastructure collapses that we have to put up with in the rest of the country multiple daily power cuts are frequent.
How about a 24/7 supply of drinking water? We have both city water (not safe for drinking) and a tap connected to a borehole, which is supposedly drinking water (but only available from 7.00 a.m. to 7.30 a.m. yes, 30 minutes per day!) and still has to be run through a filter before it looks and tastes safe for boiling.
How about roads (and I am not talking dual carriageways with 4 lanes in each direction just simple A-class roads) without potholes? How about a working sewerage and draining system?
I marvel at the TV commercials by HCL (Hindustan Computers Limited) that tell me what wonderful software this IT leader is making, for instance, for ATC. However, despite having two runways each, both Delhi and Bombay airports can manage less traffic than a single-runway airport such as Gatwick.
The same company boasts of software for the retail sector, yet at my supermarket in what is supposed to be Indias IT capital, more than 50% of my purchases cannot be scanned.
In a case particularly well know to me, Kingfisher beer is hauled over 500 km to a city with a Kingfisher brewery located 30 km away. Reason: the nearby brewery happens to be in another state and, apparently, it is illegal to transport liquor across the state line. Arent we living in one and the same country? Of course, the trucks that do the 500 km journey have the smart slogan save oil save India painted on their rear panels.
You cannot play the developing country card forever. In 1946, India was among one of the most developed countries in Asia and had suffered very little, if any, damage caused by WW II. My in-laws, who are Thai, tell me how they used to travel to Rangoon for shopping during the 1950s, because the stores there were better stocked than in Bangkok (!). This illustrates how far some countries have moved forward since then.
In order to move forward, it is essential to assess the present reality objectively. Just because there is a shopping mall and a McDonalds (that doesnt serve its signature BigMac, by the way) in a city doesnt mean it is world-class.
I wish India well, but in order to progress you need politicians who are dedicated to developing the country (as opposed to developing their own assets). Tell me, exactly what percentage of MPs have charges pending against them and/or have been convicted, some of them for murder? Are these the people you expect to bring progress to this country that, indeed, has great potential?
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India Get Acclamatised
THERE IS NO BIRD FLU,OR SARS IN INDIA
BCZ ALL INDIANS ARE ACCLAMATISED,STRONG IMUNISATION AND RESISTENCE HAS BEEN DEVALOPED TOWARDS ANY DECEASE AND VIRUSES OVER THE YEARS BY LIVING IN MOST CHALLANGING ENVIORONMENT.
PEOPLE ARE HOSPITABLE .
FEEL THE DIFFRENCE WHEN U STAY IN INDIAN MANAGED HOTELS.
LOTS SNAKES COBRAS ARE SEEN FRIQUENTLY IN INDIA AND THESE ARE THE BEST QUALITY COBRAS AVAILABLE ONLY IN INDIA.
WHAT YOU WILL SEE IN INDIA WILL NOT FIND ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD.
UNBELEIVABLE ,ADVENTUROUS AND AMAZING
BCZ ALL INDIANS ARE ACCLAMATISED,STRONG IMUNISATION AND RESISTENCE HAS BEEN DEVALOPED TOWARDS ANY DECEASE AND VIRUSES OVER THE YEARS BY LIVING IN MOST CHALLANGING ENVIORONMENT.
PEOPLE ARE HOSPITABLE .
FEEL THE DIFFRENCE WHEN U STAY IN INDIAN MANAGED HOTELS.
LOTS SNAKES COBRAS ARE SEEN FRIQUENTLY IN INDIA AND THESE ARE THE BEST QUALITY COBRAS AVAILABLE ONLY IN INDIA.
WHAT YOU WILL SEE IN INDIA WILL NOT FIND ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD.
UNBELEIVABLE ,ADVENTUROUS AND AMAZING
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Harbin, Dalien, Shenyang, Peking, Tsientsin, Tsingtao, Ningpo, Shanghai, Wuxi, Hangzhou, Suzhou, Nanking, Chungking, Chengdu, Xian, Lanzhou, Urumuqi, Nanning, Kunming, Canton, Shenzhen, and a few others.
I actually lived in China.
Harbin, Dalien, Shenyang, Peking, Tsientsin, Tsingtao, Ningpo, Shanghai, Wuxi, Hangzhou, Suzhou, Nanking, Chungking, Chengdu, Xian, Lanzhou, Urumuqi, Nanning, Kunming, Canton, Shenzhen, and a few others.
I actually lived in China.
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Thanks for your prompt reply Al Fakhem. Having been to most of the cities you mentioned in China, in addition to Tashkurgan and Kashgar, (Xinjiang) I must add that your observations to compare these two great countries are accurate, yet, incomplete. That you have chosen to compare the two countries is a well worn path. Kudo's to China for their achievements and I do wish they keep moving up the ladder.
Infrastructure in India has not been up to scratch due to poor governance and an obstructionist civil service. So, as I said earlier, that if it is the 5 star lifestyle you are after, think again. Today, the private sector is leading the way with companies like Jet Airways, Kingfisher, Reliance, Infosys, etc, etc.... The federal and the state governments are allowing them to burn the path forward and hopefully, the rest falls in place. Yes India is about 20 years behind China due to the different timings which led to their respective countries opening up.
I am sure that you have seen the poverty in China. Unfortunately, they don't talk about it, like, there was no bird flu or sars till the rest of the world was suitably affected.
The big difference which matters to many is that of freedom. The freedom to think and make choices. Try living in China and posting the sort of comments you did about India here.
Infrastructure in India has not been up to scratch due to poor governance and an obstructionist civil service. So, as I said earlier, that if it is the 5 star lifestyle you are after, think again. Today, the private sector is leading the way with companies like Jet Airways, Kingfisher, Reliance, Infosys, etc, etc.... The federal and the state governments are allowing them to burn the path forward and hopefully, the rest falls in place. Yes India is about 20 years behind China due to the different timings which led to their respective countries opening up.
I am sure that you have seen the poverty in China. Unfortunately, they don't talk about it, like, there was no bird flu or sars till the rest of the world was suitably affected.
The big difference which matters to many is that of freedom. The freedom to think and make choices. Try living in China and posting the sort of comments you did about India here.
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ur right india follows fundamental rights
and also provide free pure water during cirtain hours of the day.
distilled water is readily available at 40 Rs for 20 litre and it is cheapest in the world.
electricity ,.alternate and stby all generaters available including GPU at nomnal price
still every body is free to say anything under there fundamental rights
its just a thought .
distilled water is readily available at 40 Rs for 20 litre and it is cheapest in the world.
electricity ,.alternate and stby all generaters available including GPU at nomnal price
still every body is free to say anything under there fundamental rights
its just a thought .
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40rs a litre for 10pc of the population is fine and dandy. The guy who digs the street to lay the precious fibre optic cable for the emergent IT industry makes 40rs a DAY.
The brightest part of India's pot holed streets is in the vicinity of the glorious shopping malls lit up by billboards goading you to buy that shiny new Bulgari watch while the rest of the street is plunged in darkness.
The recent submerging of Bombay bares the shameful reality of the incompetence of India's 'brightest' to maintain infrastructural functionality. I can almost see a Dalal street broker wading through waist deep water holding his brand spanking new Nokia above water level.
Development in India is a sham. You can build shiny malls and office buildings but the streets right in front of these magnificent structures are an utter mess.
It is sad to see the wasted human potential in this country. Millions of households wake up at 3am because they are unsure when the 2hr a day water supply will start so that their buckets are filled up. Last time I checked all of us would rather be cozy in bed rested for a productive day at work.
And please don't even start with free speech. Recent I&B norms putting restrictions on news channels should be a real humdinger for freedom of expression. Let's not even begin with the lynch mob in a Gujarat Univ. where a student painted a few portraits which supposedly 'offended' sentimentalities. These occurrences are becoming more and more common.
Last time I checked the parents of the murdered kids in Nithari had a fundamental right to justice which was so easily denied to them.
The brightest part of India's pot holed streets is in the vicinity of the glorious shopping malls lit up by billboards goading you to buy that shiny new Bulgari watch while the rest of the street is plunged in darkness.
The recent submerging of Bombay bares the shameful reality of the incompetence of India's 'brightest' to maintain infrastructural functionality. I can almost see a Dalal street broker wading through waist deep water holding his brand spanking new Nokia above water level.
Development in India is a sham. You can build shiny malls and office buildings but the streets right in front of these magnificent structures are an utter mess.
It is sad to see the wasted human potential in this country. Millions of households wake up at 3am because they are unsure when the 2hr a day water supply will start so that their buckets are filled up. Last time I checked all of us would rather be cozy in bed rested for a productive day at work.
And please don't even start with free speech. Recent I&B norms putting restrictions on news channels should be a real humdinger for freedom of expression. Let's not even begin with the lynch mob in a Gujarat Univ. where a student painted a few portraits which supposedly 'offended' sentimentalities. These occurrences are becoming more and more common.
Last time I checked the parents of the murdered kids in Nithari had a fundamental right to justice which was so easily denied to them.
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Any Current/Ex EXPAT Pilots out there ?
............anyways , to get back to the original topic on this post, are there any expat pilots who can contribute their experiences?. Please share.
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KUDOS,AL Fakhem.
A post well posted,to say the least. I could'nt have put across these facts better if i had done so myself.Kudos.....!!!
Looking the other way aint gonna make the Tsunami go away......
And you could'nt be closer to the truth than that. The Indians in India are getting too darn used to the philosophy of "sweeping under the rug"the wrongs they cant correct or for that matter accept! That and the "Oh,its not my problem.....at least not TODAY it isnt" way of thinking is gonna be the death knell for the Indian pseudo "progress".
Ironically these new genx yuppie indians have begun to think like their corrupt,red tape sticking,under the table bribing and still not getting the job done forefathers/foreuncles too!!! And when you have a corrupt,manupulative and oppurtunist young genx.....THEN my friends you're heading for the big bang.
And,very very sadly,thats what i see happening in this great country. India.
A post well posted,to say the least. I could'nt have put across these facts better if i had done so myself.Kudos.....!!!
Looking the other way aint gonna make the Tsunami go away......
And you could'nt be closer to the truth than that. The Indians in India are getting too darn used to the philosophy of "sweeping under the rug"the wrongs they cant correct or for that matter accept! That and the "Oh,its not my problem.....at least not TODAY it isnt" way of thinking is gonna be the death knell for the Indian pseudo "progress".
Ironically these new genx yuppie indians have begun to think like their corrupt,red tape sticking,under the table bribing and still not getting the job done forefathers/foreuncles too!!! And when you have a corrupt,manupulative and oppurtunist young genx.....THEN my friends you're heading for the big bang.
And,very very sadly,thats what i see happening in this great country. India.
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Yep, kudo's, high fives and the lot are in order. We shall march forward and not only solve the country's problems, but also the worlds.
1. There are too many who criticize, politicize, yap yap. But do buggerall.
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2. It is also rare to see people from any other country run down their own with such fervour in this forum, save one.
1. There are too many who criticize, politicize, yap yap. But do buggerall.
NATO......... No Action Talk Only
2. It is also rare to see people from any other country run down their own with such fervour in this forum, save one.
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One important thing to consider with regards to India is how well do you deal with Colonial (Victorian, really) era bureaucracy?
It is the one British legacy they have truly grabbed ahold of and improved (?!?) on their own. Forget cricket, this is the true national obsession: mindless paperwork and procedures.
It is the one British legacy they have truly grabbed ahold of and improved (?!?) on their own. Forget cricket, this is the true national obsession: mindless paperwork and procedures.