Outsourced Pilots In India !!!!!!!!!!
 

Are you an EXpat Pilot / EX EXpat Pilot or wannabe. Share and Read on..:hmm: :sad: :O :*

I second this... I am looking at India and I am open ears to all info. Thanks.

Read "Shantaram", by a guy called Roberts. If U think U might mix it there like him - its OK. If not - dont even think bout it.:mad:

They Say a Sucker is Born Every Minute
 

Hello my friend, there are several other threads on this very same topic. Why do you feel the need to start another one? India is good, bad, and ugly. It all depends on your tolerance for turd. No amount of posts on this forum will change your mind on whether you will go there or not. So suck it up and go see for yourself. I've been there and I won't go back, despite leaving quiet a fan club of lovely ladies behind.

So if you're skull is too thick to absord all the information that is already out there let me break it down for you again.

Good = plenty of overtime and good money
Bad = huge pilot shortage with 6 days on/1 day off roster patterns
Ugly = filthy living conditions

India is India. It is not Singapore, Tokyo, Shanghai, Vienna, Toronto, Cleveland, Billings, or anywhere else for that matter. It is a "developing nation" with about 800 million people living in poverty. Diseases such as leprosy still exist. They worship the whiteness of your skin. With one billion people you will find a lot of gorgeous young women. The old women are short, fat, and ugly (if you are wondering what your girlfriend will look like in 10 years). There is a growing penchant for all things Western. However, all the blue jeans in the world won't cover the indignities of their society (read caste system and poverty).

If that doesn't do it for you mate, then I don't know what else will. The only thing I can add is that there are more pilots leaving than are showing up. Some people like it, some people hate it, and some people are indifferent. I suppose you will never know which one you are until you fall for that beautiful cabin crew and have a case of diarrhea. Any questions?

Good post skymiles!!!:D

I love the Caribbean and would hate to leave, but the time is approaching when i will have to leave [just for a few years] in order to fly till age 65.I have many Caribbean friends flying in India who say that if you think ' the Caribbean is third world, then India is tenth world'.I can handle India [i think] simply because of where i was brought up, have Indian,African,White and Chinese.But a european/north american who has not traveled much, might have some problems.I would suggest to take a trip to India and check it out.

However, from what I understand, the cities are far less third-world than the rest of the country. Apparently, expat pilots are being housed in Gurgaon, right outside Delhi, which is more western than 95% of the country. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gurgaon
http://www.gurgaonproperties.net/Mal...anMall_Img.jpg

The middle class / standard of living seems to be growing at an alarming rate.

Would this be a correct statement?

How orgranized are operations over there? Ground work/ATC/clearances/releases/mx ?

Interesting article in times of india thought u guys may want to read it.


http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/N...22,curpg-1.cms

Its not possible unless u are recruited by one of the airlines in India as FO or capt in which case u get a licence validation.

since u are not Indian u will have to get security clearance which you can get unless u know somebody in high and influential position otherwise it will take so much time,worst case u may never get it.For foreign airline pilots this security thing is taken care of by the airline.

Unless and until u have a job with an GA or Charter company in India it will be tough to deal with the DGCA.

first try securing a job with a company in India and depending on how badly they need you they will take care of all other things.

And the Indian DGCA(equivalent of aus CASA) they are worse than the CASA.There is a lot of bureaucracy and red tape involved.nothing is easily done in India.



cheers.

thanks for the real informative link DIVINE Soul.. cheers !!!!!!!!!!

About India !!!!!!!
 

:D :D Excerpt from "Why we want you to Be Rich" Trump/Kiyosaki..
"India is the worlds largest oldest continuous civilisation. In the last 10,000 years India has never invaded any country. India is the largest democracy.India is one of the countries that got independence through non- violence. The art of navigation was born in the river Sindh 6000 years ago. Sanskrit is the mother of all European languages. India was the richest country on earth until the 17th century, when the British invaded. Chess was invented in India. India invented the number system. Einstein said " we owe a lot to the Indians, who taught us to count, without which no worthwhile discovery could have been made. Algebra, trignometry, calculus originated in India. "pi" was first calculated by the mathematician Budhyana, he explained the Pythogoreab Theorem in the 16th century. Its the largest English speaking nation in the world".

Living In India !!!!!!!!!!
 

I've travelled extensively in Southeast Asia for the past 25 years and have spent periods of time in India.
At present there are a lot of MNC folks living in different parts of the country, mostly executives, entrepreneurs, educationists, spiritual and health care seekers, dual residents etc.
Living in India can be an adventure on its own for a "Westerner". Contagious diseases , hygiene, bureaucracy, visible poverty, communal unrest, unpredictable availability of basic necessities like water and electricity etc. Most folks who travel regularly and relocate are aware of these conditions and prepare themselves and their families.
The outsourced pilot in India is basically, a highly paid manual laborer. As pilots, we are sometimes too focused on getting into a cockpit, that we forget about the whole picture surrounding us.
Indian folks are warm, courteous, patient and compassionate. If you ask for directions on a street corner, you may have an entire crowd leading you to your destination. The slums are safe and you will not get mugged. The poorest folks in this nation have the greatest Pride i have seen in a people.
Anyways, before you decide to sign that .........line, take a trip by yourself /wife/kids and experience India. It may be "for better or for worse", not just a repeat after me statement.

Interesting contrast in opinion between flight knight and the posting by skymiles.
Its a pity that skymiles has learnt nothing from his foreign adventure. Some people don't travel well and then, some do. :rolleyes:

For me, Africa, Europe, India, China, the US, they have all been great with some marvellous people all round.

Good post flight knight

rdr

I echo your sentiments. (You can also add the Middle East to your list).

India Oh MY INDIA
 

Here's a proud Indian

This is just the beginning " You're in God's own country " Nothing artificial about it. It's not Singapore by any means and nobody in India wants it to be.

She's the next superpower of the world with the cleverest people on the planet. Thats a fact. Wait and watch.

The infrastructure is coming, The private sector, the billionaire club of Indians will make sure it does and once it's there it will become as boring as the developed :rolleyes:'artificial' world in the west.but the cosmetics will come 'later rather than sooner'

Skymiles
Glad you enjoyed your time here. I left a fan club of beautiful white girls:p in my last job in the sandpit. They just adored my brown skin those lovely lasses. I didn't wait to see how they looked when got older though.

Beykoz " I was dying to come back to my beautiful country ":ok:

Where to go?
 

I am sure India and the people are all you say they are.

Seriously, just curious and looking for a recommendation. Where in India would you suggest for someone who wants to live/work there but not be overwhelmed with crushing poverty in their face and raw sewage everywhere?

Are there places in the country side that are "unspoiled".

Thanks!

hey Matchalover, do everyone a favour and go back to the hole you and skymiles come from. i suppose crushing poverty and raw sewage is making you leave your country and come to India.
most of the foreign guys have a good outlook of their situation and tend to blend in well. but, you can put some on the peacock throne (i don't suppose you would have any idea of this slice in history), and they will still find something to bitch about.
the real poverty and sewage is found in ones own mind, if you so choose

Hit a raw nerve
 

rdr, Sorry to put you in a fit.

I was truly interested in an Indian's opinion of a place to live/work in India that might be more like what I am used to in the USA. Perhaps I did not do a very good job of asking for that.

I was thinking if there were such a place in India then I could think about staying longer. What I have heard is many people (including Indian's) choose to leave when they can and as soon as they can.

India is not a country old chap, it is an experiance. A place of massive contrasts which will stretch your mind and imagination to the extreme, and force you to take a closer look at yourself.
It is not for you by any measure, if it's the creature comforts you long for.
On the other hand, it can be pretty rewarding to slug it out and get an idea about what the big picture is all about.
No Indian leaves his country. They take a break, and return they do.
Good luck matchalover

Is it true that only Captains are hired as expat pilots in India. Or are FO's also hired at for example Kingfisher?