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Oh my goodness!!!
I didnt realise that the Sri Lankan Airbus Recruitment thread was gone until i read the above post. I guess the moderators decided they had enough after the "their children will pay" comment made by a certain some one
and decided to take out the entire thread. Quite a shame though, it was a good thread too.
Sholva.
I didnt realise that the Sri Lankan Airbus Recruitment thread was gone until i read the above post. I guess the moderators decided they had enough after the "their children will pay" comment made by a certain some one
and decided to take out the entire thread. Quite a shame though, it was a good thread too. Sholva.
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Captains and sons and relatives
They always favour captains sons , nephews, thats why they get in to the airlines within the first or second intake, Airline is owne by The sons and captains, luckily Capt rathnayeka , the Dog who does recruitng has 3 daughters otherwise they wil be in too,,,, unfortunately these captains sons are very feminine type people they couldnt even fly the 152 s in srilanka during their PPl days ,,, but still manage to get in................and now fly Airbuses ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
anyway for those of who are still queing up for the Intake,, have hope and Luck matters well,, While I was in the Airline I have seen plenty of discremination, how Captains children got in , trained and how some of the people given lots of chances,,, as an exmaple the Troly ( dark) dolley who got in as the Second female,, how she crashed the SIm when she did the flight test ,,, but she managed to get in etc etc ,,,,,,,,,,
All the best guys,,,,,
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anyway for those of who are still queing up for the Intake,, have hope and Luck matters well,, While I was in the Airline I have seen plenty of discremination, how Captains children got in , trained and how some of the people given lots of chances,,, as an exmaple the Troly ( dark) dolley who got in as the Second female,, how she crashed the SIm when she did the flight test ,,, but she managed to get in etc etc ,,,,,,,,,,
All the best guys,,,,,
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hey
yeh ive heard all about this discrimination, any idea if these captains kids have any kind of qualifications? degree, diploma or watever? I got friends trying out for this right now.
So jus wondering also, what do you do now UL501?
cheers newagebird
yeh ive heard all about this discrimination, any idea if these captains kids have any kind of qualifications? degree, diploma or watever? I got friends trying out for this right now.
So jus wondering also, what do you do now UL501?
cheers newagebird
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No Qualifictaions need
What nonsence,,,,,,,,, Why do they need ( Captains babies....) Qualifications when their Jobs are gauranteed even before they come from USA.( some were extremely talented with CAA /JAA Licenses )
They all send their Nappies to USa so that they can get the License within 9-10 months and Then hey breastfeed them to pass the tech exam ,,,,, Their biddies make the paper so wil pass on the info for the Captains sons what o study etc etc,,, Otherwise how can they pass the tech exam ( FAA ) when the System is CAA,
but for the last couple of years The Ops have failed Couple of Captains sons purposly to show that there is no Discremination but even that they have fixed it,, if the guy is Young then they will fail him so that they can take him next in the next batch..... In the history of the intakes noin of the captains Sons/brothers nephews havent Faled the Tech exam more than twice.... so thats shows how corrupted the system is,,,,,,,,,,,isnt it?
Whe i was there they failed Two captains sons and told their dads that they will definelty take them since they had to take more influential people in that batch...........to take some they ( ops) purposly delay the deadlines and bring down the entry requirments to accomadate their sons,,,, a wel known first female pilot was given more hrs on the sim to pass the flight test and the second female pilot crashed the sim during the flight test ,, but still they made it,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Some Captains Nappies,,,,,, when I see them I dont want to give my 4 wheel to drive cos they look so Dumb, Lazyyyy and pampered,,,,, but they fly Airbusses ...... so thats the srilankan Styleeeeeeeeee, some of them had to re do their PPL in Srilanka, I ve heard some captains sons when they did the PPL s in Srilanka they couldnt even fly Straight and Level ,,, Some crashed,,,,some couldnt fill forms by them selves, their dads had to show them everything ,,,,,,,, but they all made it........
Cheers for themmmmmm and good luck for the rest
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They all send their Nappies to USa so that they can get the License within 9-10 months and Then hey breastfeed them to pass the tech exam ,,,,, Their biddies make the paper so wil pass on the info for the Captains sons what o study etc etc,,, Otherwise how can they pass the tech exam ( FAA ) when the System is CAA,
but for the last couple of years The Ops have failed Couple of Captains sons purposly to show that there is no Discremination but even that they have fixed it,, if the guy is Young then they will fail him so that they can take him next in the next batch..... In the history of the intakes noin of the captains Sons/brothers nephews havent Faled the Tech exam more than twice.... so thats shows how corrupted the system is,,,,,,,,,,,isnt it?
Whe i was there they failed Two captains sons and told their dads that they will definelty take them since they had to take more influential people in that batch...........to take some they ( ops) purposly delay the deadlines and bring down the entry requirments to accomadate their sons,,,, a wel known first female pilot was given more hrs on the sim to pass the flight test and the second female pilot crashed the sim during the flight test ,, but still they made it,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Some Captains Nappies,,,,,, when I see them I dont want to give my 4 wheel to drive cos they look so Dumb, Lazyyyy and pampered,,,,, but they fly Airbusses ...... so thats the srilankan Styleeeeeeeeee, some of them had to re do their PPL in Srilanka, I ve heard some captains sons when they did the PPL s in Srilanka they couldnt even fly Straight and Level ,,, Some crashed,,,,some couldnt fill forms by them selves, their dads had to show them everything ,,,,,,,, but they all made it........
Cheers for themmmmmm and good luck for the rest
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Hi New Age Bird
I guess by now you would have realized that UL501 is one sorry, inferior and disgruntled cabby who needs to first see a quack where ever he is....thank god not with Sri Lankan anyway.
Coming to a more serious note, the cadet pilot programme in Sri Lankan and former Air Lanka has been one of the best in this region and has always been merit based. The so called candidates who didn't make it were definitely not to the high standard Sri Lankan airlines were looking for and were eliminated. How UL501 twists the captain's sons not been taken as another conspiracy theory where a deal was stuck with individual captains...ha,ha....that's a good one...Mel Gibson wake up...come to Sri Lankan to get your second script for part2 of conspiracy theory.
As far as the programe is concerned, if you study and perform well in the cadet pilots exams which I was told has both CAA/JAA and FAA questions and perform well in the flight check then you are selected. I was told the exams are similar in nature from previous ones, where a guy who has sat before is familiar with the question asked, thus making it easier the second time, the again there have been a lot of first timers who have got in without a problem and they were never related to pilots or politicians as UL501 puts it.
None of the 320 captains nor the 330/340 captains have found any of our first officers unfit to hold that position, so UL501 personal insinuation of certain F/O's not fit to be in this airline is unfound BUT one which we all whole heartedly agree is that thank god loosers like UL501 left...GROBR.
best luck.
Coming to a more serious note, the cadet pilot programme in Sri Lankan and former Air Lanka has been one of the best in this region and has always been merit based. The so called candidates who didn't make it were definitely not to the high standard Sri Lankan airlines were looking for and were eliminated. How UL501 twists the captain's sons not been taken as another conspiracy theory where a deal was stuck with individual captains...ha,ha....that's a good one...Mel Gibson wake up...come to Sri Lankan to get your second script for part2 of conspiracy theory.
As far as the programe is concerned, if you study and perform well in the cadet pilots exams which I was told has both CAA/JAA and FAA questions and perform well in the flight check then you are selected. I was told the exams are similar in nature from previous ones, where a guy who has sat before is familiar with the question asked, thus making it easier the second time, the again there have been a lot of first timers who have got in without a problem and they were never related to pilots or politicians as UL501 puts it.
None of the 320 captains nor the 330/340 captains have found any of our first officers unfit to hold that position, so UL501 personal insinuation of certain F/O's not fit to be in this airline is unfound BUT one which we all whole heartedly agree is that thank god loosers like UL501 left...GROBR.
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Hey UL501,
you didnt answer the question though, why did u leave sri lankan and what are you doing now? Anyways ive heard abt discrimination but to think that it happens on such a level is hard to believe. I doubt any airline will be so corrupt (even though we know Sri lanka is) because theres a lot of safety concerned and sri lankan has not had any safety incidents that i know of.
My suggestion to UL501 is that after seeing all the accusations put forward on previous threads, i'd like to see where you get your information and who exactly are you talking to?
Some of the pilots trying out for cadets have not much else to fall back on so we shouldnt try to discourage them and tell them how bad sri lankan is...what else do we have...pilots should work together!
cheers newagebird
you didnt answer the question though, why did u leave sri lankan and what are you doing now? Anyways ive heard abt discrimination but to think that it happens on such a level is hard to believe. I doubt any airline will be so corrupt (even though we know Sri lanka is) because theres a lot of safety concerned and sri lankan has not had any safety incidents that i know of.
My suggestion to UL501 is that after seeing all the accusations put forward on previous threads, i'd like to see where you get your information and who exactly are you talking to?
Some of the pilots trying out for cadets have not much else to fall back on so we shouldnt try to discourage them and tell them how bad sri lankan is...what else do we have...pilots should work together!
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Newagebird,
Just to add a touch of moderation here, the truth about UL lies somewhere between UL 501's version and Sharuk's version.
There have been quite a few questionable happenings in the past, and I think if you look at the wide variation in entry criteria over the years you will see what I mean. Sadly influence peddling and discrimination are a national malaise and to expect UL not to be touched by it would be a trifle optimistic, wouldn't you say?
As you point out the safety record of UL has been good, so you could say that the guys and gals up front must be doing ok, even if some of them had a bit of a push to get in.
However the fact that there are few documented incidents does not necessarily mean there weren't incidents. Suffice it to say that UL is an incredibly lucky airline, and I wish for the sake of all the good people still there that it stays that way.
Just to add a touch of moderation here, the truth about UL lies somewhere between UL 501's version and Sharuk's version.
There have been quite a few questionable happenings in the past, and I think if you look at the wide variation in entry criteria over the years you will see what I mean. Sadly influence peddling and discrimination are a national malaise and to expect UL not to be touched by it would be a trifle optimistic, wouldn't you say?
As you point out the safety record of UL has been good, so you could say that the guys and gals up front must be doing ok, even if some of them had a bit of a push to get in.
However the fact that there are few documented incidents does not necessarily mean there weren't incidents. Suffice it to say that UL is an incredibly lucky airline, and I wish for the sake of all the good people still there that it stays that way.
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Dont forget your past
Dear Shahruk,
talk to your self and see how you got in.
I dont have to bring names and incidents where you failed to take top class applicants in the past.
Since 1990s the president had the last say of the cadet entry sceme.I dont have to remind you the Sons of Army commanders, Airforce Commanders, navy Commanders got in their first attempt, with few guys who had the Diplomatic infleunce too,,,,,
You kow how tough to get in , but yes, the safety standered is good because any donkey can adopt to the Company Sop s and start flying.because Once you get in you will be groomed to become a First officer.
Do i need to remind you how the Intake during Presidents premadasas time happned ,it was a metter of a call from the president and the whole batch was taken ,,,, Do u call that Merrit?
I personaly know Young Jayakodys Sons Cv was there at CBK office in the 2004 intake,,, What happend during the last few years was , You the Filthy Ops guys who was lead by that Rougue Liar Milinda wanted to create your own Team and drifted away from listning to Poltics...Good if it had been a Merrit based one but NO ...he made it like that because you guys wanted to take ONLY your Sons and brothers ,,,,if the politicos had the last say then you wont be able to get your sons in isnt it? So you guys created your own way of recruiting , thats why who ever sits for the Cadet intake will not get a Call whether they are failed etc etc,,,, thats why you guys destroy the Tech answer scripts as soon as u Mark the papers.If thats the case the PLEASE let the cadets know their Ranks , Marks etc,,,,
If you have a dignity and intergrity just look at your Own Boss Milinda. How many times he got caught , howmany tme he got caught to the CAA for violating regulations,sending people with expired licenses... What happend to the Previos FLIGHT OPS manager, will you ever keep somebody who got caught for SHOP LIFTING,, That Jayakody ended up going to JET AIRWAYS. In other Airline your sacked , but still he managed to get his Son in having been caught SHop lfiting in Singapore.....is that the standrs you talking about man,,,,,,,
Didnt you ll bring down the entry requirments for cadets when you guys wanted to take your won people.Didnt Pople get in with just O/L s when the requirment was A/L.What was the different then .....Wy do u cannot keep a consistency when you recruite Cadets every year . Why you always change your add in different intakes, why you give a such a long tme to convert their licenses , and give short time to apply sometimes.Why do u have to give almost 2 months to have the current license ready this time ( 2007) why your favourite guy still in USA this time doing his final touches to the CPL/IR?
Once I remember when Milinda came to Courts he told the judge Point blank that they destroy the papers.
You guys call the Cadets who passed only late at night and ask them to come for medicals.... so in that case you can get away with political influence saying ..' Ohh we already have selected this batch and have send them to medicals' so what you guys are doing now is pure monoply of getting YOUR own people in and even the politicos cant do anything,,, You guys want to run your own family business... this could be the Only Airline in the world where you find Lots of Brothers and sons flying to gether, and not the safest Airline in the region.
Please please dont tell me how the Cadet Intake runs... I have been there and Know how they got in .....Dont forget your past , dont forget how you got in..... atleast have faith on somebodys safety standrs .....there are Cadets who crashed their planes, forged their IR tests in USA and theys till got in,,,,, Yes I honestly beleive Al the cadets are not influential, Good guys get in but you guys kept them outside for too long, yes they got in with merrit ,, but Others had the upper hand just because their known people, when you call for a batch of 7 -8 One or Two go with merrit ,,,
UL501
talk to your self and see how you got in.
I dont have to bring names and incidents where you failed to take top class applicants in the past.
Since 1990s the president had the last say of the cadet entry sceme.I dont have to remind you the Sons of Army commanders, Airforce Commanders, navy Commanders got in their first attempt, with few guys who had the Diplomatic infleunce too,,,,,
You kow how tough to get in , but yes, the safety standered is good because any donkey can adopt to the Company Sop s and start flying.because Once you get in you will be groomed to become a First officer.
Do i need to remind you how the Intake during Presidents premadasas time happned ,it was a metter of a call from the president and the whole batch was taken ,,,, Do u call that Merrit?
I personaly know Young Jayakodys Sons Cv was there at CBK office in the 2004 intake,,, What happend during the last few years was , You the Filthy Ops guys who was lead by that Rougue Liar Milinda wanted to create your own Team and drifted away from listning to Poltics...Good if it had been a Merrit based one but NO ...he made it like that because you guys wanted to take ONLY your Sons and brothers ,,,,if the politicos had the last say then you wont be able to get your sons in isnt it? So you guys created your own way of recruiting , thats why who ever sits for the Cadet intake will not get a Call whether they are failed etc etc,,,, thats why you guys destroy the Tech answer scripts as soon as u Mark the papers.If thats the case the PLEASE let the cadets know their Ranks , Marks etc,,,,
If you have a dignity and intergrity just look at your Own Boss Milinda. How many times he got caught , howmany tme he got caught to the CAA for violating regulations,sending people with expired licenses... What happend to the Previos FLIGHT OPS manager, will you ever keep somebody who got caught for SHOP LIFTING,, That Jayakody ended up going to JET AIRWAYS. In other Airline your sacked , but still he managed to get his Son in having been caught SHop lfiting in Singapore.....is that the standrs you talking about man,,,,,,,
Didnt you ll bring down the entry requirments for cadets when you guys wanted to take your won people.Didnt Pople get in with just O/L s when the requirment was A/L.What was the different then .....Wy do u cannot keep a consistency when you recruite Cadets every year . Why you always change your add in different intakes, why you give a such a long tme to convert their licenses , and give short time to apply sometimes.Why do u have to give almost 2 months to have the current license ready this time ( 2007) why your favourite guy still in USA this time doing his final touches to the CPL/IR?
Once I remember when Milinda came to Courts he told the judge Point blank that they destroy the papers.
You guys call the Cadets who passed only late at night and ask them to come for medicals.... so in that case you can get away with political influence saying ..' Ohh we already have selected this batch and have send them to medicals' so what you guys are doing now is pure monoply of getting YOUR own people in and even the politicos cant do anything,,, You guys want to run your own family business... this could be the Only Airline in the world where you find Lots of Brothers and sons flying to gether, and not the safest Airline in the region.
Please please dont tell me how the Cadet Intake runs... I have been there and Know how they got in .....Dont forget your past , dont forget how you got in..... atleast have faith on somebodys safety standrs .....there are Cadets who crashed their planes, forged their IR tests in USA and theys till got in,,,,, Yes I honestly beleive Al the cadets are not influential, Good guys get in but you guys kept them outside for too long, yes they got in with merrit ,, but Others had the upper hand just because their known people, when you call for a batch of 7 -8 One or Two go with merrit ,,,
UL501
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Thanks for the input guys,
yeh everyone knows UL is a lil dodgy but that kind of thing happens anywhere in the world. QF pilots get in bcuz their fathers work in the airline too but it doesnt happen as much as UL. Ive had friends try out for stewardess jobs as well and got rejected due to politicos. Do we have any new updates on how the current interviews are going?
Ah well, what can we do but try our best and hope.
rgds newagebird
yeh everyone knows UL is a lil dodgy but that kind of thing happens anywhere in the world. QF pilots get in bcuz their fathers work in the airline too but it doesnt happen as much as UL. Ive had friends try out for stewardess jobs as well and got rejected due to politicos. Do we have any new updates on how the current interviews are going?
Ah well, what can we do but try our best and hope.
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QF pilots get in bcuz their fathers work in the airline too but it doesnt happen as much as UL.
Quite a generalisation to state that an automatic right of entry exists simply because a relative is employed by a particular company.
Fair enough, it may have happened in the past within QF. But these days airline recruitment is solely based upon individual performance.
As to the performance, well that's for each airline to determine their own benchmark.
Someone with a friend or relative may assist with getting a resume on the top of a pile, but it wont gain someone employment. (QF)
As for other carriers, if nepotism is alive & well thats for them to determine.
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Yea thats right,
i shudve rephrased, in the odd case there is a little help due to a reference from a relative. I meant to say that it happens everywhere but QF is by no way and means on the corruption level of certain sub continental airlines. In fact QCs who ive seen are fantastic pilots and great blokes too.
I guess corruption is part and parcel of any recruitment, as you only need one bad apple. Good luck to all the guys doing the interview.
i shudve rephrased, in the odd case there is a little help due to a reference from a relative. I meant to say that it happens everywhere but QF is by no way and means on the corruption level of certain sub continental airlines. In fact QCs who ive seen are fantastic pilots and great blokes too.
I guess corruption is part and parcel of any recruitment, as you only need one bad apple. Good luck to all the guys doing the interview.
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newagebird,
My guess is, that those airlines of which you speak probably have poor or non existant standards of pilot recruitment. Or recruitment standards which rely to heavily on subjective opinion.
When an airline or any organisation for that matter has a well defined structured recruitment process. Which can validate thru data collection and observed performance a candidates individual standards. Then a candidate will be recruited on individual performance alone.
It's not all bad, that some airlines will provide weight to a recommendation of a current employee. But to offer recruitment on that basis alone is a recipe for disaster.
Of course it depends on the size of the airline, the smaller the airline the "less informal" the arrangements for recruitment I suspect.
My guess is, that those airlines of which you speak probably have poor or non existant standards of pilot recruitment. Or recruitment standards which rely to heavily on subjective opinion.
When an airline or any organisation for that matter has a well defined structured recruitment process. Which can validate thru data collection and observed performance a candidates individual standards. Then a candidate will be recruited on individual performance alone.
It's not all bad, that some airlines will provide weight to a recommendation of a current employee. But to offer recruitment on that basis alone is a recipe for disaster.
Of course it depends on the size of the airline, the smaller the airline the "less informal" the arrangements for recruitment I suspect.
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Cheers Lads/lasses
I agree with Both Shruk and UL501......but UL501 needs to get a grip on this sexist remarks . I dont understand your bitterness towards ladies or flight attendants.........i have read your posts and frankly the way you trash other people does not make you any better than them , cos you are not from what i hear anyways. I only read to find facts and most of your stories are full of crap.
Very few things that you have said are true and So be it If you dont like someone personally thats your problem, we are not your blind mates to follow your rear.
If you were smart as other people who have managed to do things their way well more power to them,if you had your way as well then you may not have been on this bitter ave.
My friend ...........lets keep the facts and take your personel baggage and check it.
I agree with Both Shruk and UL501......but UL501 needs to get a grip on this sexist remarks . I dont understand your bitterness towards ladies or flight attendants.........i have read your posts and frankly the way you trash other people does not make you any better than them , cos you are not from what i hear anyways. I only read to find facts and most of your stories are full of crap.
Very few things that you have said are true and So be it If you dont like someone personally thats your problem, we are not your blind mates to follow your rear.
If you were smart as other people who have managed to do things their way well more power to them,if you had your way as well then you may not have been on this bitter ave.
My friend ...........lets keep the facts and take your personel baggage and check it.
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Hey flymetothestars
I've never had any experience with sri lankan, dun mean to show them in a bad light either cuz i love the airline. However quite a few of the sri lankan pilots ive talked to from around australia paint this picture of corruption, most of the allegations im sure are just rumors as people can always distort the truth. I'm just stating the public opinion.
All said and done, Sri lankan is sri lankan and you would be led to believe that from most of the stuff said about them, there is some substance to it, especially since the country is corrupt as well. However that shouldnt discourage anyone from trying out for a position with them because they are a world class outfit.
Jus a msg to UL501...man you must hav been treated like crap if ur so angry about sri lankan, i agree with farcry, sexism is a thing of the 19th century buddy. Chicks can be even better than some guys so don't do any girl bashing on a forum such as this, i'd like to see something positive posted about sri lankan from you. hey they got great food!
Anyone know anything about mihin air??
cheers newagebird
I've never had any experience with sri lankan, dun mean to show them in a bad light either cuz i love the airline. However quite a few of the sri lankan pilots ive talked to from around australia paint this picture of corruption, most of the allegations im sure are just rumors as people can always distort the truth. I'm just stating the public opinion.
All said and done, Sri lankan is sri lankan and you would be led to believe that from most of the stuff said about them, there is some substance to it, especially since the country is corrupt as well. However that shouldnt discourage anyone from trying out for a position with them because they are a world class outfit.
Jus a msg to UL501...man you must hav been treated like crap if ur so angry about sri lankan, i agree with farcry, sexism is a thing of the 19th century buddy. Chicks can be even better than some guys so don't do any girl bashing on a forum such as this, i'd like to see something positive posted about sri lankan from you. hey they got great food!
Anyone know anything about mihin air??
cheers newagebird
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Well I was spot on, the guys who came from States, got in including that scolar I mentioned,, His job was gauranteed even before he arrives to Srilanka and few other FAA guys their first attempt,,,,,,,