Chinese written test...

[AB8TOR]

2010 Chinese Written ~ New?

Hey, I'm about to take the China ATP for second time. The contractor just informed me that the testing facility had been closed for "Updates." I've been studying the 1500 question bank plus 2010 Gleim Book. Anybody taken the test in June? Please provide feedback on questions. Regards.

[AB8TOR]

Second Time is the Charm

Success! OK, that's over and done with. Here's some insight. First, there was no indication that the so called "updates" mentioned in previous thread were present and no indication the questions are from a "2010" test bank. At least with comparison to the Gleim software. Speaking of which, unless you are god's gift to aviation, there is NO DOUBT the Gleim ATP software is worth it's purchase price (65 bone$). This is EXCELLENT material and well organized. Gleim allows download on two computers, so you can double up and save! Spend some time to learn what the package offers, it will be well worth your time and quickly enhance your learning.

On the test, same crazy questions (see comments from others) and crazy wording. Part of this stems from their efforts to place emphasis on theory and part from just plain poor translation. You have 2.5 hours to complete the test and clock is right on the test screen. You take nothing in with you. They provide one pencil, one blank sheet of paper, slide ruler (darn fun learning to use that) and an E6B. You need 70 of 100 to pass and nobody in China cares if you get above 70, so plan accordingly. They will provide the PC calculator but you must ask for it! If not, they don't turn it on! The test center I attended (aviation school near Chengdu) had glass walls, proctor's roaming the isles, and a guy watching applicants on video screen. Each desk had an overhead video camera! There was no smoking in the test room but the video guy was burning one at check in desk.

The test allows you to skip questions and return to them, suggest you complete what you know first then go back for performance problems and unknowns. Also, make certain you fully understand HSI, and RMI orientation on radials. That will give you an easy 5-8 points. Get quick with the Gleim charts and fully understand when they are used, when to make corrections (ie, engine A/I on) and you'll grab another 7-10 points. Airbus jockies will not find W&B stuff in Gleim but the test will have 1-2 simple problems on this. Make certain you can compute adjusted Dry Index. Suggest SmartCockpit.com or Airbus Manuals for this. Understand atmosphere stuff ~ changes in temp., computing lapse rate, how altitude effects engine performance and aerodynamics and you'll grab another 6-8 points. Read human physiology in Theory Book and you'll grab another 3-5 points. Example: What is comfortable humidity level for humans and what humidity level is found in a pressurized cabin. Nice huh? Know about hydro planing (my tests each had 2 questions on this). 2-5 questions on airport signage, remaining runway lengths, etc. Make certain you can figure allowable pallet weights and load per square foot (2 questions-2 tests).



Study Materials:

Chinese ATP theory book (read this 350 pgs cover to cover and don't skim)
Gleim ATP software
Chinese Question Bank (1500 questions)
Read all Pprune Posts on subject (some good questions shown)
Familiarize yourself with sections/chapter titles of ICAO Convention.

As others have said. This is doable and don't worry if you pass the first time but you must wait 28 days to retest. If you get caught cheating you must wait one year (sorry that's a test question).

Final Comment: I have heard others suggest the test randomly kicks out a grade/score and has nothing to do with how many you actually got right. Meaning its a pure numbers game and they need so many first time failures. The computer does not show which questions you got right/wrong so this may be true. Just prepare the best you can, live and learn ~ and don't feel bad if you need to return in 28 days. Cheers!

[Rotorhead1026]

Originally Posted by AB8TOR

Final Comment: I have heard others suggest the test randomly kicks out a grade/score and has nothing to do with how many you actually got right.

I seriously doubt this. My score was pretty much what I estimated before I turned the test in (84%). The less you know, the less accurate your estimate will be.

In addition to the question bank, I used the ASA manual - same material as Gleim. I'd go for what ever is cheaper. AB8TOR is correct - it's money well spent.

[gibas]

Performance figures

Hi Guys!

Taking a look at the chinese question bank, there are lots of performance/graphs related questions.
Does anyone have, or know where to download, these figures?

Is there a chance to obtain such perf charts without buying the gleim book (short of time)?

Thanks and good luck mates,

Gibas.

[Rotorhead1026]

Most of the performance problems are on the FAA test. The ones based on Chinese metars / tafs / approaches are not, obviously. I'm told there is a study book (on which the pdf file prep is based) translated into English. The figures might well be included in this.

Gleim / ASA / Safelog all have online versions of the prep book ...

Gleim Aviation: Airline Transport: Software: Test Prep Software Download

(expensive)

ASA: Prepware

(better)

FAA Written Test Preparation - Airline Transport Pilot (ATP)

(I haven't used this, but hear it's pretty good).

[gibas]

Thks Rotorhead!!!

Gibas.

[A-V-8]

[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']So the performance questions that you guys are seeing, are they the same ones in the 1255 question bank or different questions. I am up to speed on those 70 questions or so but it is because I memorized them. I have no idea how to work the 737 stuff.[/FONT]

[PROBEUSMC]

I took the test in April. I did not use Gleim, but I did use the 1500 question bank, and the 8000 question bank. I also had the ASA software, but found that it had too much light plane crap. Not that usefull IMHO. I also used the Chinese ATP book, which was difficult as it had a lot of math formula errors in it. I had to reverse engineer some of it. The info in it is good, albeit poorly translated.

In the end, I mostly used the Chinese ATP, and the 8000 question bank. The 1500 question bank only got me 2 questions I would have missed. The 8000 sounds too big, but here is what I did that worked great. It was a text file which wasn't that useful. So I "printed" it to a PDF file, or you can print some of it to paper. Each "page" then had 30 questions. Then I took "mini" tests, 1 page at a time. When I was consistently passing 24 out of 30 (80%), I thought I would be OK. I got a 77. Thankfully the mini tests had about the same makeup as the real test.

The only thing that was on their that I saw no where was "fixed card ADF". I had 3 questions on it, and at least 5 others on RMI and normal ADF. These are all easy. Study this for sure and you will get 5-8 points fast and easy.

Good luck.

[Rotorhead1026]

Gleim and ASA are both just the FAA question bank with explanations. The question on regs, procedures, etc. are essentially the same as the Chinese question bank. Skip the light plane and FAR 135 stuff - focus in on the jet performance graphs amd weather maps. Otherwise read the Chinese guide and go through the questions, It's really not 8000 - there's a lot of duplication. I stuck the .pdf file on a Nook reader - it's easier than printing all that stuff out.

[sparrow_jack]

flying in china

yeah

i've got an idea now tks to ALL your posts and infos!

it is really helpful when somebody is in the dark, in the unknown...like me!

i am trying to get an interview with some of the chinese airlines, maybe deer air(capital) or spring, any suggestions?

take care

[Always Moving]

FO No Cap Yes

FO, forget it pretty much, unless you talk Chinese and have some time on type and you are willing to do A LOT of leg work.

Cap, go to any of the agencies you will save your neck of a lot of chain jerking

If you are desperate you could approach all airlines one by one but I do not think they will pick up the phone, unless you have some "wuanxi" and if you do, you would not be asking this question.

Sorry.

[On Final]

Worst Agency in China..!!

Dear Fellow pilots,

I want to warn you all to be very careful about the following agency..! VOR Company/China Aviation Recruitment or "Ted". Very BAD...!! Just to tell you don't even think about signing an invitation or contract to work in China under this agency..!!!!

This agency is the worst in China..! Just look at your paperwork before you sign..!

They have included a non circumvention for all work in China. Means that once you sign you can only work for them and know one else in China...! DONT SIGN THEIR CRAP..!!!

This agency will abuse you and you will think it is better to work for a communist government than these folks..!

I have worked in China going on 3 years and please be careful, this agency is most abusive..!

Thanks,

On Final

[rawmilk]

Just passed the "new" test 2011

Just a quick low down on the new and "improved" chinese airlaw test. I am not here to complain, just list the reality and to help those out who really want to pass. Here are the facts:

Going into the test, we were told it was about a 50% failure rate, which for our group (about 7 guys) was accurate, according to the difficulty of the exam we all experienced. all but 1 failed, and they said it was an anomaly that almost all passed.

• given 2.5 hours for the exam, however...we experienced slow "intranet" and twice the connections to their servers just stopped for 5-10 min each, in total we lost 20 min of test time, which they could do nothing about.
• the highest score was 81, lowest was 74 i think, 1 did not pass with a 54.
• 100 questions, about 25 were "refer to figure..." questions
• i had been studying diligently for almost 2 months with ATPL gleim software, question banks, aviation theory, chinese air law and i barely passed with 76 and had to guess at quite a few towards end. (just to give u an idea of the difficulty, not to scare you..but the first time i took the ATPL exam i received a 97%) I would say 1/3 of the questions I had never seen material about the type/material of question. some questions were just specific to chinese airlaw that i happen not to run across in my prep.
• they DO allow you to use simple calculators. bring it even though your handler may tell you it's not allowed. bring your own pencil pen. they give you one sheet of paper and 2 sets of diagram papers, a straight edge, and a flight computer i have never seen before.
• the w/b questions i never saw before and they were on Airbus 320 and unless you had an extra 20 min, i would guess. this goes for a few other charts.
• you can skip questions or answer them and mark them unsure to come back later

I recommend doing all that I did above, but next time I would have made study tests from the Chinese bank (total q's) so that I might be able to be prepared for material I never read about. I had only looked at around 1/3 the chinese questions or LESS!

Some q's I do remember:

1. what is the color of voicer recoder from outside, looking in? - Orange
2. how far can an airway in china be from danger area? - 10KM (i think)
3. ICAO in china founded under - chicago 1944
4. distance change questions with headwind calculations

all the other standard study stuff posted... i will edit this and post more after talking to other guys about what crazy q's they got.

best of luck and if you have any q's just pm me.

[schouff]

I do confirm what Rawmilk said , i did the test today too . the gleim or the Asa are really usefull but be sure you can make an easy 90% score when you study .
For my case ( i passed with 81) i had barely 50% with pure atp questions but 15% more are very similar about aerodynamics or flight orientation.
15 to 20 % of chinese law ,sorry, i cant barely remember the question , hours per week (35) , who is in charge of the preparation , delays bla bla of a flight (pic, pic +vice-president of the company, or the vice president looks like they translate the director of ops as the vice president !!!!) , questions about the oaci and differents kinds of office ,as who is in charge of the office n 111 of something )
what is the minimum age to pass the atp ( 20 , 21 or 18) ....

few questions about equivalence . celsius to kelvin to farenheit , knots to km/hrs
questions about the jeppesen chart , the runway lenght ,mountain profile on the chart (colours, value )
medical questions but quite similar than the the study materials
question of nav orientations with RMI and the position of aircraft/vor
Be careful that few charts are from airbus so not easy to understand if you dont practice .


So
50% with gleim or atp
20% with aero knowledge
10% just logical guess
20% no clue and some are really hard to understand with the bad english translation( maybe because i m french !!!)


so the margin is really thin

good luck to all ......

[nibs2007]

chinese exams

Hi am doing ATP in February. Any feedback questions would be helpfull. Do I need to obtain a CX2 E6B Computor ? seems only usefull for maybe 1 question on flight Logs?

Can anyone give me recent feedback on their experiences in the exam?
Thanks

[ssamson77]

data base of Chinese ATP written questions

I am planning to take this test next month. Could you send me your list of questions? My e-mail address is [email protected].

Thanks for the help.

[Mando]

Chinese exams

Hey did any of you guys come across an incorrect answer in the test or test bank?

The faa says the lowest cloud associated with mountain wave is a rotor cloud. the Chinese questions say its a standing lenticular. Who is right in this case, and are there more questions that are incorrect in this fashion. Just curious. It can get confusing after awhile.

Thanks.

[Droste]

May I know where can I download the Chinese ATP exam question bank? Can somebody kindly PM me if you have the soft copy.

[A-V-8]

Greetings to all who grace these boards. I took the Chinese ATP on 3-17-2011 and passed with an 88. 7 expats in my group 2 FAA and all others JAA. 2 Chinese candidates that worked for the airline. 6 expats passed one of them with a 70. The guy who failed said that he knew the FAA stuff like the back of his hand but he received around 10 Airbus questions. Both Chinese candidates failed. I had the highest score. The next one down had an 86. I owe a lot of credit to those in this thread who went before me and posted their experience. Reading this thread several times was helpful. I had 3 questions from this thread on my Test.

15. by changing the angle of attack of a wing, the pilot can control
the airplane
A. lift, gross weight and drag
B. lift, airspeed and drag
C. lift and airspeed but on drag
b

37.which statement is correct regarding holding pattern and procedure
turns that are displayed on the EHSI screen
A. active holding patterns and procedure turn are shown in magenta
inactive in blue and modified in white
B. active holding patterns and procedure turn are displayed in white
in magenta and modified in blue
C. active holding patterns and procedure turn are turn in blue
inactive in magenta and modified in white

4.What is load factor?
A.Lift multiplied by the total weight.
B.Lift subtracted from the total weight.
C.Lift divided by the total weight.
C X

Thanks guys.

Moving on to the instructions.
Most of us had a personal calculator. There was still a slide rule which playing with prior to the start alleviated some stress and believe me this sucker is no joke of a test. You are not going to half @$$ study and pass this. I took me more than 2 hours of the allotted 2.5 for the 100 questions.

I had 9 737 performance problems and 3 airbus. The 737 problems were Verbatim from the FAA ATP bank. The book of visuals was brand new (as in they printed it out, stapled it, and gave it to us) with no marks in it at all. After the test I was thumbing through the book to see if there were any DC9 charts. The book was taken from me by the proctor LOL. The 727 stuff was in the book although I did not receive any questions on the 727. Virtually all of the visuals that I used were exactly the same ones in the FAA bank. Only 2-3 instrument questions referred to visuals that were not (Could be from the FAA private pilot or instrument pilot) and only one of them challenged me. As previously mentioned know all of the FAA stuff that refers to flight instruments because those were verbatim from the FAA. The answers were even in the same order on Chinese as in the Glime.

My personal recipe for success:

I learned how to work all 737 and 727 performance problems. That took 2 days. I tore the pages out of my Glime book and took it with me on a trip. Had I known prior that the questions were verbatim I may have just memorized them. 9 performance problems was stressful while watching the clock tick. If you can recognize the correct answer immediately you can focus more atnnnionian on screeean chinesesie quest inn more sifficuls because not Chinese pilot unfamiliar. You will have about 10 – 15 of those.

Know the FAA stuff like the back of your hand. About 50 percent of the test is out right plagiarized. Of the other 50 percent about half of it makes sense and the other fourth is crap. The FAA stuff was first and around question 30 I was starting to get excited but the crap Chinese questions were at the end. There is a gouge with 1255 Chinese and FAA questions and that was extremely helpful. I made a study guide with some of the stuff that gave me trouble and I reviewed it on the van on the way to the test. Additionally I cut the really straight foreword questions out of the 1255 bank and then reduced the rest to just questions and answers like this.

2 Which reports are always required when on an IFR approach not in radar contact?

Leaving FAF inbound or outer marker inbound and missed approach.

4 (according to figure 2)An airplane is estimated to arrive at ZUUU at 1000Z, and the
weather then is ____.

Southwest wind at 6 m/sec, light rain shower, visibility 4 km

5 题目：Which of the following is considered an auxiliary flight control?

Leading-edge flaps

7 题目：What is a feature of supercooled water?

The unstable water drop freezes upon striking an exposed object.

That took a while to make and it was about 30 pages front and back. I studied that in the cockpit and the Jumpseat. It was worth its weight in gold. The correct answer should be very familiar to you when you take the test and it should leap from the page.

Also I separated questions initially by subject matter to look for trends in the answers. I found plenty. For example: Fuel Look for 45 minutes in contiguous China. If it is there it is the answer. If not look for 2 hours normal cruising fuel consumption and that will give you the answers to all but 1.

Some BS that caught me off guard is below.

How wide are the RWY centerline lights? The chart referred to some Australian enroute chart.
A. 7.5 M
B. 15 M
C. 30 M

So good luck with that one.

How does a plane control pressure?
A,Constant pressure in and varying pressure out
B. Varying constant pressure in and out
C. Varying pressure in and Constant pressure out

I knew how the CRJ did it and that is what I put.

Who is responsible for pilots at the CAAC.
District
Safety
Standards
Probably C

I also need to mention that that blue book in this tread with the planes on the cover is useful but you don’t have to buy it. I did. The one mentioned earlier in this thread which is downloadable from a recruiter’s website is the same one it just doesn’t have the cover and the index on it.

After helping the guys that failed the test through all of the gouge and stuff that I acquired I realized that I actually had some of the airbus questions from the CAAC bank. Here they are.


Determine which statement given below is correct. A
A. Operating Weight is the sum of the DOW and the Take-off Fuel
B. Take-off Weight is equal to the addition of the DOW and the Payload
C. DOW is obtained by addition of the Basic Weight and Pantry load for A320

Determine the ZFW CG in percent of MAC under the following condition for an A320 aircraft by completing the Figure 5-1.Conditionry Operating Weight = 94,000 lb and CG = 26 %; Deviation or adjustment: None; Cargo =11,000 lb as: cargo 1 = 4,500 lb , cargo 3 = 3,000 lb , cargo 4 =1,000 lb , cargo 5 = 2,500 lb; Passengers (165 lb / PAX) = 160 PAX as: cabin OA = 40 , cabin OB = 70 , cabin OC = 50; Fuel =28,000 lb. The CG is: B
A. 33.8% at ZFW
B. 31.9% at ZFW
C. 30.0% at ZFW

Determine the take-off CG in percent of MAC under the following condition for an A320 aircraft by completing the Figure 5-1.Conditionry Operating Weight = 94,000 lb and CG = 26 %; Deviation or adjustment: None; Cargo =11,000 lb as: cargo 1 = 4,500 lb , cargo 3 = 3,000 lb , cargo 4 =1,000 lb , cargo 5 = 2,500 lb; Passengers (165 lb / PAX) = 160 PAX as: cabin OA = 40 , cabin OB = 70 , cabin OC = 50; Fuel =28,000 lb. The CG is: C
A. 27.2% at take-off
B. 28.4% at take-off
C. 30.2% at take-off

Determine the ZFW CG in percent of MAC under the following condition for an A320 aircraft by completing the Figure 5-1.Conditionry Operating Weight = 94,000 lb and CG = 26 %; Deviation or adjustment: None; Cargo =10,000 lb as: cargo 1 = 3,500 lb , cargo 3 = 3,000 lb , cargo 4 =1,000 lb , cargo 5 = 2,500 lb; Passengers (165 lb / PAX) = 150 PAX as: cabin OA = 40 , cabin OB = 70 , cabin OC = 40; Fuel =30,000 lb. The CG is: C
A. 29.0 % at ZFW
B. 32.7 % at ZFW
C. 30.7 % at ZFW

Determine the take-off CG in percent of MAC under the following condition for an A320 aircraft by completing the Figure 5-1.Conditionry Operating Weight = 94,000 lb and CG = 26 %; Deviation or adjustment: None; Cargo =10,000 lb as: cargo 1 = 3,500 lb ; cargo 3 = 3,000 lb , cargo 4 =1,000 lb , cargo 5 = 2,500 lb; Passengers (165 lb / PAX) = 150 PAX as: cabin OA = 40 , cabin OB = 70 , cabin OC = 40; Fuel =30,000 lb. The CG is: A
A. 31.6% at take-off
B. 30.3% at take-off
C. 28.8% at take-off

Determine the ZFW CG in percent of MAC under the following condition for an A320 aircraft by completing the Figure 5-1.Conditionry Operating Weight = 94,000 lb and CG = 26 %; Deviation or adjustment = 100 lb in zone F; Cargo =9,500 lb as: cargo 1 = 3,000 lb , cargo 3 = 3,000 lb , cargo 4 =1,000 lb , cargo 5 = 2,500 lb; Passengers (165 lb / PAX) = 160 PAX as: cabin OA = 40 , cabin OB = 70 , cabin OC = 50; Fuel =25,000 lb. The CG is: A
A. 34.2 % at ZFW
B. 32.3 % at ZFW
C. 36.0 % at ZFW

Determine the take-off CG in percent of MAC under the following condition for an A320 aircraft by completing the Figure 5-1.Conditionry Operating Weight = 94,000 lb and CG = 26 %; Deviation or adjustment = 100 lb in zone F; Cargo =9,500 lb as: cargo 1 = 3,000 lb , cargo 3 = 3,000 lb ,cargo 4 =1,000 lb , cargo 5 = 2,500 lb; Passengers (165 lb / PAX) = 160 PAX as: cabin OA = 40 , cabin OB = 70 , cabin OC = 50; Fuel =25,000 lb. The CG is: A
A. 31.8% at take-off
B. 29.7% at take-off
C. 27.9% at take-off

Determine the take-off CG in percent of MAC under the following condition for an A320 aircraft by completing the Figure 5-1.Conditionry Operating Weight = 94,000 lb and CG = 26 %; Deviation or adjustment = 100 lb in zone F; Cargo =9,500 lb as: cargo 1 = 3,000 lb , cargo 3 = 3,000 lb , cargo 4 =1,000 lb , cargo 5 = 2,500 lb; Passengers (165 lb / PAX) = 150 PAX as: cabin OA = 30 , cabin OB = 70 , cabin OC = 50; Fuel =25,000 lb. The CG is: B
A. 35.2% at ZFW
B. 36.6% at ZFW
C. 37.9% at ZFW

Determine the take-off CG in percent of MAC under the following condition for an A320 aircraft by completing the Figure 5-1.Conditionry Operating Weight = 94,000 lb and CG = 26 %; Deviation or adjustment = 100 lb in zone F; Cargo =9,500 lb as: cargo 1 = 3,000 lb , cargo 3 = 3,000 lb , cargo 4 =1,000 lb , cargo 5 = 2,500 lb; Passengers (165 lb / PAX) = 150 PAX as: cabin OA = 30 , cabin OB = 70 , cabin OC = 50; Fuel =25,000 lb. The CG is: C
A. 35.5% at take-off
B. 34.9% at take-off
C. 33.5% at take-off

UMMMM your welcome for those Airbus questions!

Ok now look. I don’t mean to go all 4th grade here but I did work as a tutor and one of my responsibilities was to teach a class literally on how to learn. “Memory Techniques”.

Correlation is a powerful tool. You can learn to unlock your brain and memorize stuff you never imagined. In high school taking Spanish I learned that the word for behind has the word @$$ right in the middle of it. 20 years later folks and I haven’t studied Spanish at all but I still remember. Here is an example for aviation:

Coriolis illusion. An abrupt head movement
Leans.when a aircraft is in an abrupt recovery or a rapid correction
Somatogravic Illusion.A rapid acceleration or deceleration
Inversion Illusion. An abrupt change from a climb to straight and level flight

Reading this over and over again is a very bad way to go about it.

But keep this in mind.
Your Coriolis is in your Head and all of the Coriolis answers refer to a Head movement.
You Lean the mixture in an Aircraft and all of the leans answers refer to an Aircraft movement
Imagine you are riding a motor cycle and you have a sumo wrestler on the back. You hit the gas really hard and what happens. You pop a wheelie. Well Sumo is sort of like Soma as in Somatogravic. All of the Somatogravic answers refer to an aircraft taking off or Popping a wheelie.
Imagine yourself flying along happily when your copilot pushes the yoke foreword so hard that you go into a dive and then rotate so far around that you are inverted. The blood rushes into your head and makes you sick. All of the inversion answers refer to an aircraft having the yoke pushed forward.

Here test yourself. No cheating.

题目：While making prolonged constant rate turns under IFR conditions, an abrupt head
movement can create the illusion of rotation on an entirely different axis. This is known
as
A： autokinesis.
B： Coriolis illusion.
C： the leans.


294 题目： ”The leans ” is a state of disorientation which often occurs when
A： an abrupt change from a cl imb to straight and level f light
B： an aircraft which has been in a shallow turn for some time rolls back to
C： an abrupt recovery or a rapid correction is made.


题目： The somatogravic i llusion (falsly identifying a level acceleration as a steep climb),
is most l ikely to be encountered
A： during a go-around in a high performance aircraft when flying visually
B： during and just after take-off in a high performance aircraft on a dark
C： during an approach to a poorly l it runway on a dark night

Answer Key
B
C
B

Any how if that is not enough just let me know what else you guys need. I failed the medical for a blood pressure issue. I have never had high blood pressure before. Anyone know what will be next for me. I am trying to get rescreened.

Give em hell boys!

[JotaJota]

Great info...

Sry to hear about the BP. See what the Docs in the US say and definitely re-take it. Some blood thinning meds for a few, and like new...

GL