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I know that in the last airlines I have worked for (both considered "Majors") the failure rates have been 5-15%.. While you hope everyone passes, sometimes it just cannot work out that way..
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Interview the 25th of May, any one now what to expect for someone applying for an FO position? Do they care if you smoke or is it more if you get thru the medical it's all good. And what is the BMI set at for intials at AJ?
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You are not going to see anything different being an FO until IOE (OE, OJT, whatever u want to call it). Your interview / training will be exactly the same and you will get a P1 type rating as an FO. There is a lot of interview info on this thread...
I believe the BMI is under 30....might be 28. I cant remember for sure. As far as smoking, I dont think there is anyone in our class that smokes, however, it seems that everyone else in Japan does smoke. There might have been 1 or 2 of the Dash or 737 guys that smoked, but I cant remember. Part of the medical is testing your lung capacity so I would imagine that would be more difficult if you are a smoker. If you pass the medical though, I can't imagine it being a problem.
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I believe the BMI is under 30....might be 28. I cant remember for sure. As far as smoking, I dont think there is anyone in our class that smokes, however, it seems that everyone else in Japan does smoke. There might have been 1 or 2 of the Dash or 737 guys that smoked, but I cant remember. Part of the medical is testing your lung capacity so I would imagine that would be more difficult if you are a smoker. If you pass the medical though, I can't imagine it being a problem.
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Medical question
Can anyone tell me why everyone stress the BMI during the medical? Is it a Japanese thing? 'Cause I don't think many places look at your BMI during a regular flight physical? As for the smoking thing, I know someone who just interviewed with ANA and he smokes like a train and still passed the medical. So I guess it's really not that big deal, since a lot of Japanese pilots smoke as well.
And CRJ705, are you really 26?!? That's pretty damn young to have been qualified to interview as Capt. for ANA group's AJX or AJV or whatever they call their 76 operation.
And CRJ705, are you really 26?!? That's pretty damn young to have been qualified to interview as Capt. for ANA group's AJX or AJV or whatever they call their 76 operation.
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I think most people stress the BMI on here because it is the one thing that you can check yourself before you go. It would be a waste of time and a little embarassing to go to the medical then get sent home for being over the BMI. As to why the Japanese care about it? I have no idea. It is what it is and as I have learned, dont ask or try to understand. I wouldnt worry about the smoking at all as long as you are in good health.
Yes, i am 26. I got lucky and everything fell together when I was younger. I wont bore you with the details...
Yes, i am 26. I got lucky and everything fell together when I was younger. I wont bore you with the details...
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Can anyone tell me why everyone stress the BMI during the medical? Is it a Japanese thing? 'Cause I don't think many places look at your BMI during a regular flight physical?
60 to 70% of folks fail the medical and about 60% fail the sim ride. Another note, the recurrent medicals are just like the pre employment medical, so the fitness level has to be maintained for the duration of the contract.
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Dom,
Are you thru with training? Any pointers for those attempting or things to think about if selected?
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Are you thru with training? Any pointers for those attempting or things to think about if selected?
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One question the IAC stuff didn't address:
I understand the monthly rosters include 10 consecutive days off (8 guaranteed), which includes commute time... but what about the WEEKLY rosters?
Do you fly each and every single day during the 20 days before your guaranteed "off" time?
Do you have a 1 in 7 or some other type of arrangement where you won't burn out in very short order? (I can't imagine working 7 days a week for 3 weeks straight before you get a day off).
Just trying to figure out how the daily life works in a typical monthly rotation...
Thanks,
I understand the monthly rosters include 10 consecutive days off (8 guaranteed), which includes commute time... but what about the WEEKLY rosters?
Do you fly each and every single day during the 20 days before your guaranteed "off" time?
Do you have a 1 in 7 or some other type of arrangement where you won't burn out in very short order? (I can't imagine working 7 days a week for 3 weeks straight before you get a day off).
Just trying to figure out how the daily life works in a typical monthly rotation...
Thanks,
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Do you have a 1 in 7 or some other type of arrangement where you won't burn out in very short order? (I can't imagine working 7 days a week for 3 weeks straight before you get a day off).
Of course not dude, they have regulations this part of the world
Just messing with ya, you get days off and reserve days here and there. One leg days, hotel for 16-20 hours and back. A day off and there you go again, that is pretty much the way it goes. Heard from one of the line guys that they are doing about 60-70 hours at AJX and about 50 at AJV but the AJV flying is going up in the next few months
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We met with a training captain a few weeks back and he provided some insight into the monthly schedules. You wont ever see a day off on any of your rosters. What you will see is a "blank day" or as he refered to them, "balcony days". These are days that the company has not assigned you any duties, but in the event a standby pilot is used, they can change your blank day to a standby day. With only 3 flights leaving NRT a day, you can imagine that the above case does not happen too often.
Your "days off" can be blank days, or for example when you are in Hong Kong, you have a 27 hour overnight and that can be considered your day off too for legality reasons.
That specific captain that we talked to flew over 90 hours last month. But as previously stated, the average is a little above 70.
Being that there is not seniority here, you do not bid for your schedules. You are able to request your specific days off, and the company complies as much as possible. They attempt to be fair to everyone, so if one year you request Christmas off, then next year, you might not get it again. As the contract states, you can be taken down to 8 days off, but that captain specifically stated that he cannot recall that ever happening since he had been here. Schedules here are still done by hand and the company is small. The seem to try to make everyone happy...as much as they can...
Your "days off" can be blank days, or for example when you are in Hong Kong, you have a 27 hour overnight and that can be considered your day off too for legality reasons.
That specific captain that we talked to flew over 90 hours last month. But as previously stated, the average is a little above 70.
Being that there is not seniority here, you do not bid for your schedules. You are able to request your specific days off, and the company complies as much as possible. They attempt to be fair to everyone, so if one year you request Christmas off, then next year, you might not get it again. As the contract states, you can be taken down to 8 days off, but that captain specifically stated that he cannot recall that ever happening since he had been here. Schedules here are still done by hand and the company is small. The seem to try to make everyone happy...as much as they can...
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Any ABX guys out there?
Iv'e been in AJX/AJV for over 5 years now. Just trying to find out what's happening with your wet lease contract for AJV.
For the guys worried about BMI. If you are out of the green band you can still pass the medical but I think you will have to do a stress ECG every medical there after.
For the guys worried about BMI. If you are out of the green band you can still pass the medical but I think you will have to do a stress ECG every medical there after.
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For all those out there wanting some info on the AJX/AJV contract. Well here it is as I have worked there for a few years now.
The Pay: For those that where hired before 2005 they are on the so called "A" scale and those after are on the so called "B" scale. The only difference is that those FO's that joined before 2005 and are now upgraded you only get the Captains "B" pay. So once the few remaining (only about 15-20 guys) "A" scales guys leave there is only one pay scale, not the many pay scales apparently there.
Yes if you go to the frieghter you are on more money but it is the same the pax plus $1500 for a captain and $1000 for the FO's. Everything else is the same.
Parc and Hacs pay exactly the same amount of money except Hacs give a little more in the pension, but basically the same.
Contract is for 70 hours per month then overtime above that. AJV guys are on about 40 -50 hours a month at the moment. AJX guys are on about 70 hrs a month although since the frieghter and pax were seperated they have been doing a bit of overtime until more pilots arrive. Other than a few winges that get in the ear of the rosterer every month and build there own roster overtime is not the norm other than the few f***ing a*****es that take the piss at everyone elses expense. Capt KK.
As for the training you get the basic pay minus the commute and housing and plus the $44 perday.
Both are based in Narita but AJX only fly out of and AJV have no flights out of, so frieghter boys spend the whole month living out of a suit case and many many many dead heading between flights. The AJX boys either live in the Hotels around Narita or many now have apartments which the housing allowance covers.
The training, well guys its no harder than anywhere else in the world, its only an aeroplane, just do it there way like it or not and you will get through.
The medical is fairly involved but believe me there are many fat c***s that work there and its not that big of a deal, we are all alco's and its pretty hard to fail once you are there. In many years I dont think any body has failed once you get through the initial crap.
For those that say its a long time for the training, well 6 months is 6 months but Tokyo is a great place heaps of fun times to be had, especially if you have yellow fever, which if you dont whenb you get there, I bet you will have after. To many people stress about how hard it is and shouldnt. Yes people get scubbed every course but believe me they probably deserve it, attitude has a HUGE part in how they look at you, you could be Chuck Yaeger but if you dont get along with them then say good bye.
Now days you get an english speaking intructor which is a huge benifit, unlike the five yrs where evrything was done through a translater. Sorry for those that have been on recent course and complaned about how hard it was, but remember everyone has to do it so DEAL with it as those that are here have been there done that.
AS for me its the easiest job in the world once you jump all the hoops. They leave you alone and its getting better as time goes on. The commute is proberly the only downer on it but there is talk that things may change, but I wouldn't count on it.
The tax situation is as Parc and Hacs say in the initial contact with them that it is up to each and everyones responsibility.
Well there you have it take it not that is how it is, I should know as I work there and plan on staying for a while.
PS. if you are a ****** then please apply some where else as you won't fit in.
The Pay: For those that where hired before 2005 they are on the so called "A" scale and those after are on the so called "B" scale. The only difference is that those FO's that joined before 2005 and are now upgraded you only get the Captains "B" pay. So once the few remaining (only about 15-20 guys) "A" scales guys leave there is only one pay scale, not the many pay scales apparently there.
Yes if you go to the frieghter you are on more money but it is the same the pax plus $1500 for a captain and $1000 for the FO's. Everything else is the same.
Parc and Hacs pay exactly the same amount of money except Hacs give a little more in the pension, but basically the same.
Contract is for 70 hours per month then overtime above that. AJV guys are on about 40 -50 hours a month at the moment. AJX guys are on about 70 hrs a month although since the frieghter and pax were seperated they have been doing a bit of overtime until more pilots arrive. Other than a few winges that get in the ear of the rosterer every month and build there own roster overtime is not the norm other than the few f***ing a*****es that take the piss at everyone elses expense. Capt KK.
As for the training you get the basic pay minus the commute and housing and plus the $44 perday.
Both are based in Narita but AJX only fly out of and AJV have no flights out of, so frieghter boys spend the whole month living out of a suit case and many many many dead heading between flights. The AJX boys either live in the Hotels around Narita or many now have apartments which the housing allowance covers.
The training, well guys its no harder than anywhere else in the world, its only an aeroplane, just do it there way like it or not and you will get through.
The medical is fairly involved but believe me there are many fat c***s that work there and its not that big of a deal, we are all alco's and its pretty hard to fail once you are there. In many years I dont think any body has failed once you get through the initial crap.
For those that say its a long time for the training, well 6 months is 6 months but Tokyo is a great place heaps of fun times to be had, especially if you have yellow fever, which if you dont whenb you get there, I bet you will have after. To many people stress about how hard it is and shouldnt. Yes people get scubbed every course but believe me they probably deserve it, attitude has a HUGE part in how they look at you, you could be Chuck Yaeger but if you dont get along with them then say good bye.
Now days you get an english speaking intructor which is a huge benifit, unlike the five yrs where evrything was done through a translater. Sorry for those that have been on recent course and complaned about how hard it was, but remember everyone has to do it so DEAL with it as those that are here have been there done that.
AS for me its the easiest job in the world once you jump all the hoops. They leave you alone and its getting better as time goes on. The commute is proberly the only downer on it but there is talk that things may change, but I wouldn't count on it.
The tax situation is as Parc and Hacs say in the initial contact with them that it is up to each and everyones responsibility.
Well there you have it take it not that is how it is, I should know as I work there and plan on staying for a while.
PS. if you are a ****** then please apply some where else as you won't fit in.
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Slight thread hijack...
What does it mean on the application when they say "Application must be in Type Written form"?
Does that mean they want it "written" in English block letters (mixed case or all caps) or does that mean they want it typed out as if you were to "Type" it on the computer?
Don't want to go to all the trouble to fill it out just to find out it needs to be done a different way.
Also, what did everyone put in the Autobiographical and other relevant information block?
Thanks,
What does it mean on the application when they say "Application must be in Type Written form"?
Does that mean they want it "written" in English block letters (mixed case or all caps) or does that mean they want it typed out as if you were to "Type" it on the computer?
Don't want to go to all the trouble to fill it out just to find out it needs to be done a different way.
Also, what did everyone put in the Autobiographical and other relevant information block?
Thanks,