INDIA!!! BEWARE PARAMOUNT AIRWAYS
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INDIA!!! BEWARE PARAMOUNT AIRWAYS
Do not think there can be any airline in the world worse then Paramount.
After 6 months they do not have a Chief Pilot. What is the DGCA doing!!!!!! They had a Jet dispatcher runnning operations...Management got smart!!!!! and replaced him with a Singapore Airlines dispatcher. Management claims he was a VP in SIA...My sources say that he was just a dispatcher and security officer...and a very unpopular one....Thought India had a anti-dumping law against imports!!!! What is the DGCA doing!!! How can a dispatcher run Flight Operations...And this guy just talks and talks.....only problem...Has no clue what he is talking about.
Some of the outright criminal offenses: total flouting of FTLs, photocopies of Jeppesen Charts in cockpit, 320 manuals!! (they are flying E170s), (no wonder crew have not been issued copies of manuals still...!!!!) , no training program for ab-initios....no airport passes for crew (one of the brazilian pilots refused to operate a flight because they asked him to go with a temporary pass which was under another person's name....IMPERSONATION!!!), the inaugural flight went without DGCA approval because the MD of the airline pleaded with the expat pilot (that pilot is now on the undesirable list and cannot enter into India)......the list goes on......
Pilots are being bonded for 7 years....ab-initios are being asked to pay 20 lakhs if they fail to clear the embraer course, they are getting stranded in foreign destinations without hotel accomm and money,....Not a single Indian pilot is joining them...so they they changed the rule to allow two expat pilots fly.....a few months back a SIA captain came with a few expat captains from the US but apparently they were not treated well....and that was the last we saw of them.....apparently one of the expat captains was not picked up in Delhi airport and had to spend the night in a hotel lobby because no reservations were made and because all hotels were booked out.......apparently they were given contracts which made them very angry and also the houses they were shown in Chennai were sub standard.....
Engineering is the absolute PITS....Frequent fights in the aircraft between the brazilian pilots and the indian engineers and between the brazilian and indian engineers....in full view of the public.....The man running engineering is a marketing man with no clue of Engineering Operations.....Again what was the DGCA doing!!!! They switched base overnight from Coimbatore to Chennai and suddenly the man realises they did not have the Engineering Approvals and stores facility in Chennai....
Ground Service sucks...Will not blame the staff.what can they do if they are forced to do 16 hour shifts. Totally unprofessional and disorganised....They have delays and cancellations almost every day and its like a riot zone....
Staff morale is extremely low....Word on the street is that they will not last 6 months...It is being run like a textile MILL!!! (their core business)..the ground staff still carry the MDs bags...And the MD has the nerve to talk about 787s.....He should stick to spinning cotton and not be spinning tales!!!!!
Business Class Comforts is the tag line......they are passing of the embraer's standard economy class as elite business class....they think the employees and the customers are dumb....everyday there are arguments in the cabin between irate customers who rightfully feel cheated and the crew regarding the seats....
Bottomline.........DO NOT EVEN THINK ABOUT JOINING PARAMOUNT
After 6 months they do not have a Chief Pilot. What is the DGCA doing!!!!!! They had a Jet dispatcher runnning operations...Management got smart!!!!! and replaced him with a Singapore Airlines dispatcher. Management claims he was a VP in SIA...My sources say that he was just a dispatcher and security officer...and a very unpopular one....Thought India had a anti-dumping law against imports!!!! What is the DGCA doing!!! How can a dispatcher run Flight Operations...And this guy just talks and talks.....only problem...Has no clue what he is talking about.
Some of the outright criminal offenses: total flouting of FTLs, photocopies of Jeppesen Charts in cockpit, 320 manuals!! (they are flying E170s), (no wonder crew have not been issued copies of manuals still...!!!!) , no training program for ab-initios....no airport passes for crew (one of the brazilian pilots refused to operate a flight because they asked him to go with a temporary pass which was under another person's name....IMPERSONATION!!!), the inaugural flight went without DGCA approval because the MD of the airline pleaded with the expat pilot (that pilot is now on the undesirable list and cannot enter into India)......the list goes on......
Pilots are being bonded for 7 years....ab-initios are being asked to pay 20 lakhs if they fail to clear the embraer course, they are getting stranded in foreign destinations without hotel accomm and money,....Not a single Indian pilot is joining them...so they they changed the rule to allow two expat pilots fly.....a few months back a SIA captain came with a few expat captains from the US but apparently they were not treated well....and that was the last we saw of them.....apparently one of the expat captains was not picked up in Delhi airport and had to spend the night in a hotel lobby because no reservations were made and because all hotels were booked out.......apparently they were given contracts which made them very angry and also the houses they were shown in Chennai were sub standard.....
Engineering is the absolute PITS....Frequent fights in the aircraft between the brazilian pilots and the indian engineers and between the brazilian and indian engineers....in full view of the public.....The man running engineering is a marketing man with no clue of Engineering Operations.....Again what was the DGCA doing!!!! They switched base overnight from Coimbatore to Chennai and suddenly the man realises they did not have the Engineering Approvals and stores facility in Chennai....
Ground Service sucks...Will not blame the staff.what can they do if they are forced to do 16 hour shifts. Totally unprofessional and disorganised....They have delays and cancellations almost every day and its like a riot zone....
Staff morale is extremely low....Word on the street is that they will not last 6 months...It is being run like a textile MILL!!! (their core business)..the ground staff still carry the MDs bags...And the MD has the nerve to talk about 787s.....He should stick to spinning cotton and not be spinning tales!!!!!
Business Class Comforts is the tag line......they are passing of the embraer's standard economy class as elite business class....they think the employees and the customers are dumb....everyday there are arguments in the cabin between irate customers who rightfully feel cheated and the crew regarding the seats....
Bottomline.........DO NOT EVEN THINK ABOUT JOINING PARAMOUNT
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ejet writes "Not a single Indian pilot is joining them."
I think that says a lot about the outfit, they cant attract many if not any indian captain to fly for them , this being an indian airline
.....it's the same old story of people who havent a clue about aviation wanting to start an airline and there are many more waiting in the wings.....Best of luck to the great Indian aviation show.....
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After 6 months they do not have a Chief Pilot.
How in the Earth was the AOC issued without a CP..... if somehow it did happen like they had one for the issue and not aymore, I would say and know that the AOC previleages cannot be exercised unless a CP is in position.... which doesn't allow them to operate Charter.... If they did, I can see several million dollar lawsuits for the flights carried out on negligence alone let alone man slaughter !!
The lawsuit claim on such a scenario will wind up the MILL in a matter of minutes. Wonder how the Insurer would go on insuring the aircraft further if they know such a potential exists for their pants to be sued off . Perhaps I should talk to my lawyer friend and make a deal on a percentage cut for putting the idea forward to the lawfirm
besides the fact that such a Goosey op's is a disgrace for the rest genuine ones and is definitely a Danger Zone operation.
photocopies of Jeppesen Charts in cockpit
Heard of "Controlled documents" ??! Maybe Jeppesen should step in sue them for copyright issues and endangering pax with their pirated charts !!
If all said is even somewhat closer to true, let the 120's go to a good home before getting wrapped around a fence or a hill with people in it
It's all Some Sort Of Whacked Out Conspiracy
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Is that why they are looking for F/O's and Captains thru Rishworth? My big question is how is maintenance on their 170's ? WOuld you say go or nogo for an expat coming into to fly for them?
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eject pilot, what the hell do you think you are man, this is India man, what are the differences between Air Sahara, Jet Airways and King Fisher, did you read the topic about Air Sahara???, there is an Pilot that never flew an NG's before and he's going to be instructor on that plane, remember overrun in Mumbai few month's back the F/O now is a Captain on the plane, I dont think DGCA will think about safety, remember they have 1,2 billion people what is the meaning of one plane compare to 1.2 billion people that's the way DGCA thinking man.
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speedtwoten.... got a problem working in India go back to your 5$ pay check or shut up and put up
Yes Indian aviation has issues its a market gone crazy and will take some time to get things in order.
Yes Indian aviation has issues its a market gone crazy and will take some time to get things in order.
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Originally Posted by Left Wing
Yes Indian aviation has issues its a market gone crazy and will take some time to get things in order.
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Paramount Airways - A great upcoming airline
Hi ! I am a Brazilian Check pilot and have flown for Paramount. The flying environment is really safe and comfortable to work unlike the complete false information portrayed in this site. Paramount is a startup carrier and guess it has a share of its problems that every start-up airline around the world has gone through. It does have a very experienced Chief Pilot that atleast I respect and does have a great product. I think this message has been posted by some desparate co-pilot who might have been pulled up really hard. Some of the Indian co-pilots are very inexperienced and we need to really push them hard to come up to standards on the Ejets. In my 36 years of experience in aviation a word of fatherly advise to all those upcoming rookie pilots. Be proud that you are a Pilot and use your rational thinking as these are the greatest skills that a pilot can be gifted with. Never I repeat NEVER react on a knee jerk, If you a loose cool and become irrational this habit may stick on to you even in the flight deck and may even kill you. So don't let emotions take the better of your rational judgments. No offence meant to the person who posted this, as I guess he must have done it in a moment of anger or frustration. Just wanted to set right the records so that it doesn't convey a false image to my peers who may read this. adeus!
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Not a rookie pilot!!!!
Hello Skyhawk,
With all due respect....What has changed in Paramount in the last three months for you to say that they are a great upcoming airline. I do agree that every airline has teething problems but the problems over there were CRIMINAL....During my stint there I experienced all those things I have posted first hand. No Exaggeration. I just wanted to go home. You and I both know what the general consensus is among the expat pilots. So please stop trying to be goodwill ambassador of Embraer and Paramount. We all know what is in stake for Embraer in India but we should not forget our responsibility towards our pilot colleagues. Are you honestly recommending that expat pilots go over there and endure the torture. Why dont you set an example and stay longer than the three week posting.....I promise you that I will pack my bags and join you!! As of now my three week stay has left scars which will last a lifetime. And honestly, from what I hear from our colleagues over there nothing has changed.
With all due respect....What has changed in Paramount in the last three months for you to say that they are a great upcoming airline. I do agree that every airline has teething problems but the problems over there were CRIMINAL....During my stint there I experienced all those things I have posted first hand. No Exaggeration. I just wanted to go home. You and I both know what the general consensus is among the expat pilots. So please stop trying to be goodwill ambassador of Embraer and Paramount. We all know what is in stake for Embraer in India but we should not forget our responsibility towards our pilot colleagues. Are you honestly recommending that expat pilots go over there and endure the torture. Why dont you set an example and stay longer than the three week posting.....I promise you that I will pack my bags and join you!! As of now my three week stay has left scars which will last a lifetime. And honestly, from what I hear from our colleagues over there nothing has changed.
..and you write like a true Brazilian, too!! 
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tough rookie
i am a copilot with a domestic carrier in india and I have friends flying in paramount as rookies!!! ( skyhawk...stick to flying instruction. do not teach us how to conduct our lives) . i was having a drink with my friend and a group of brazilian captains at the crew hotel in chennai just the other day and i was amazed by the stories they had to tell and they fit well with ejet_pilot's posting. and now skyhawk is doing a 360...skyhawk..are you brazilian...
paramount only has 5 co-pilots and i doubt if any one of them will have the balls to post so boldly as suggested by skyhawk. i saw my friend's contract...absolute pits.absolutely no rights for the employee.also heard that their training provider has stopped training new co-pilots because everybody kept failing. apparently something wrong with their selection process..what can you expect if pilots are recruited by dispatchers. and now they are desperate for pilots. on a humorous note, when they started up, everybody was flying in civvies because no body thought of uniforms, nav bags, caps and that sort of thing...talk about a low cost operation.
also in their layover in delhi, the crew were put up at shanti palace....the hottest hotel in delhi!!!!!!!!! hee hee.....when the brazilians (except skyhawk) protested, they were moved elsewhere but not the poor co-pilots and cabin crew....looks like skyhawk was impressed by the girls at the palace.....hee hee....one thing is for sure, no indian co-pilot in their right mind would join paramount...why should we when we are spoilt for choice at the moment....and also we do not want to make skyhawk's job tougher than it is..... hee hee....
paramount only has 5 co-pilots and i doubt if any one of them will have the balls to post so boldly as suggested by skyhawk. i saw my friend's contract...absolute pits.absolutely no rights for the employee.also heard that their training provider has stopped training new co-pilots because everybody kept failing. apparently something wrong with their selection process..what can you expect if pilots are recruited by dispatchers. and now they are desperate for pilots. on a humorous note, when they started up, everybody was flying in civvies because no body thought of uniforms, nav bags, caps and that sort of thing...talk about a low cost operation.
also in their layover in delhi, the crew were put up at shanti palace....the hottest hotel in delhi!!!!!!!!! hee hee.....when the brazilians (except skyhawk) protested, they were moved elsewhere but not the poor co-pilots and cabin crew....looks like skyhawk was impressed by the girls at the palace.....hee hee....one thing is for sure, no indian co-pilot in their right mind would join paramount...why should we when we are spoilt for choice at the moment....and also we do not want to make skyhawk's job tougher than it is..... hee hee....
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I hope you and your cohorts keep thinking the way you do so the local authority will have to change the regs regarding expat f/o's and having a local in the cockpit. I'm sure there are lots of guys out there who would give their left nut to fly your shiny new airplanes and do a good job at that, with no complaining
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sec3 wrote "I'm sure there are lots of guys out there who would give their left nut to fly your shiny new airplanes "
Ya but they'll be singing.....I'm half the man i used to be ..
Ya but they'll be singing.....I'm half the man i used to be ..
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Most Indian Co-pilots flying in airlines are Trash
Howdy Guys, I was there sometime back in India flying for Air Deccan. Heard Paramount was a decent airline. I would luv to move on to the Ejets from my current ATRs. Only hope that some of these tough nut cohorts dont scare the local authorities and us expats from coming in. The Indian Co-pilots most I that have seen in Air Deccan are trash. Imagine man, a cpl holder with barely 500 hrs is recruited for airline flying. These good for nothings sometime have an attitude that needs to be crushed with an iron hand. Most of them fail and are shown the boot. Another airline in India Kingfisher recruited a lot of CPL holders of just 250 hrs for A320 training !!!. naturally most failed. Where else in the world can you fly an airline without ATPL. India local authority must ban these immature CPL holders from getting into airline till these guys get better experience. One of my fellow pilots lost his license becoz of a stupid mistake his Indian co-pilot did. The plane crashed and now he is jobless and grounded. They pay these useless good for nothings more than what our P1s get back home here. No wonder these greedy gluttons dont want expats rushing in
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case of sour grapes pete-Capt! stay in your country on your 2$ salary India does nto need like you...
most expats make a very strong effort to bring Indian low time pilots up to speed and that quality of expat pilots is very well paid by the local airlines...
with your 
attitude you need a iron boot up your
like you...most expats make a very strong effort to bring Indian low time pilots up to speed and that quality of expat pilots is very well paid by the local airlines...
with your
attitude you need a iron boot up your