Philippine ATO memorandum circular 01-06
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Originally Posted by Julie Andrews
That's because Americans don't go abroad to work as toilet cleaners. The POEA exists because of maids and other blue-collar workers, and they really do their job. If an aspiring OFW needs info on a certain recruiter, he/she can go to the POEA. Not all government agencies are ineffective, you know.
Next time, try not to live up to your name.
P.S. Stop making reference to the Gestapo; you dunno what it is. But since you mentioned
it, there's one right inside Gate 1.
Next time, try not to live up to your name.
P.S. Stop making reference to the Gestapo; you dunno what it is. But since you mentioned
it, there's one right inside Gate 1.
As far as our beloved proffession is concerned, we are the blue collar workers!!! Don't kid yourself. The last I checked ATPL holders do not need a degree to hold a licence. High school dip is the min. We may not be cleaning toilets but we all serve someone. So that makes us blue collar and some of us aspiring OFWs!! You made a good point about POEA, they should be looking out for our interest and giving us info on recruiters. Instead they are going to make it impossible to seek a better future for our families. NOT LEGAL, NOT CONSTITUTIONAL, NOT FAIR!!
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Originally Posted by planestupid
Ms Andrews,
As far as our beloved proffession is concerned, we are the blue collar workers!!! Don't kid yourself. The last I checked ATPL holders do not need a degree to hold a licence. High school dip is the min. We may not be cleaning toilets but we all serve someone. So that makes us blue collar and some of us aspiring OFWs!! You made a good point about POEA, they should be looking out for our interest and giving us info on recruiters. Instead they are going to make it impossible to seek a better future for our families. NOT LEGAL, NOT CONSTITUTIONAL, NOT FAIR!!
As far as our beloved proffession is concerned, we are the blue collar workers!!! Don't kid yourself. The last I checked ATPL holders do not need a degree to hold a licence. High school dip is the min. We may not be cleaning toilets but we all serve someone. So that makes us blue collar and some of us aspiring OFWs!! You made a good point about POEA, they should be looking out for our interest and giving us info on recruiters. Instead they are going to make it impossible to seek a better future for our families. NOT LEGAL, NOT CONSTITUTIONAL, NOT FAIR!!
I dunno about what you do, but last time I flew, I did not wear any protective clothing - this is the etymology of the word "blue-collar." It's got nothing to do with having a degree, although, I hasten to add, I do have one. Perhaps it's guys like you who feel degraded, demeaned, abused, trampled upon because "we all serve someone," and are therefore "blue-collar," who fuel the embers of low morale in the cadre of pilots.
Back to the thread. The POEA and Sto Tomas, as a government institution, is not immune to political pressure, just like the ATO and Jatico. You can cry foul and unconstitutional to your throat's desire, BUT the buck stops with GMA. I smell ****.
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last time I flew, I did not wear any protective clothing
Actually, so do Surgeons and research scientists.
"Blue collar" has traditionally meant unskilled/low skilled.
I humbly suggest that professional pilots do NOT fall into that classification.
Ahhhhhh, corruption in the Phils - it's so...so...overt, isn't it.
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Originally Posted by The Hammer
Astronauts wear protective clothing
Actually, so do Surgeons and research scientists.
"Blue collar" has traditionally meant unskilled/low skilled.
I humbly suggest that professional pilots do NOT fall into that classification.
Ahhhhhh, corruption in the Phils - it's so...so...overt, isn't it.
Actually, so do Surgeons and research scientists.
"Blue collar" has traditionally meant unskilled/low skilled.
I humbly suggest that professional pilots do NOT fall into that classification.
Ahhhhhh, corruption in the Phils - it's so...so...overt, isn't it.
But anyway TH, the whole thing is just semantics. Pprune isn't the proper forum. BTW, what about the watch repairman along Aurora Blvd in Cubao? I believe the horological profession is one that entails a lot of skill. Is he then white-collar? Hmmm, something tells me he still isn't.Nope. Not for once did I ever think commanding say, SPEED PULL, or perhaps reading VNAV PTH on the FMA was blue-collar.
"Corruption in the Phils".... so what else is new?
P.S. Overt is a strong word. Circumstancial does not equal actual. Ahhhhh..
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Horologists require a certain degree of manual dexterity. Skill?
Many OFW's are skillful at their work, however, as with straight manual labour, there may be very little intellectual capacity required to perform the task(s) at hand.
"Overt" in the context in which I used it, simply meant "open/unconcealed".
Corruption in the Phils is a way of life - and a fact of life.
One would imagine that employees of the ATO are no less exposed, nor no less aware of that, than any other inhabitant there.
Many OFW's are skillful at their work, however, as with straight manual labour, there may be very little intellectual capacity required to perform the task(s) at hand.
"Overt" in the context in which I used it, simply meant "open/unconcealed".
Corruption in the Phils is a way of life - and a fact of life.
One would imagine that employees of the ATO are no less exposed, nor no less aware of that, than any other inhabitant there.
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Originally Posted by The Hammer
Horologists require a certain degree of manual dexterity. Skill?
Many OFW's are skillful at their work, however, as with straight manual labour, there may be very little intellectual capacity required to perform the task(s) at hand.
"Overt" in the context in which I used it, simply meant "open/unconcealed".
Corruption in the Phils is a way of life - and a fact of life.
One would imagine that employees of the ATO are no less exposed, nor no less aware of that, than any other inhabitant there.
Many OFW's are skillful at their work, however, as with straight manual labour, there may be very little intellectual capacity required to perform the task(s) at hand.
"Overt" in the context in which I used it, simply meant "open/unconcealed".
Corruption in the Phils is a way of life - and a fact of life.
One would imagine that employees of the ATO are no less exposed, nor no less aware of that, than any other inhabitant there.
Although it was never MY way of life, corruption does take place at such a scale that outsiders (like you?) perceive it to be the order of the day.
The first few months that I joined, I got asked a lot by my colleagues why I left and how I find _____. My standard answer to the 2nd one was always, "It's a good substitute for HOME." Not that there will ever be a substitute for home, but that it was my diplomatic way of saying that no matter how congested and filthy, or as you say, corruption-laden RPLL is, I'll always be a pinoy showing the entire world that I CAN fly just like they can.
To my colleagues who have escaped the clutches of oppression at Nichols, don't bastardize your homeland. You owe it to who you are.
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JA you are right its just semantics. Even if you wear a white collar to work, its still a uniform. "White Collar Workers" don't generally wear uniforms. Blue collar generally have manual jobs, stick and rudder pare is very manual!! You say you don't wear protective clothing? Don't you wear a reflective vest when you do your 360? I've always understood white collar to be management, someone that requires a degree. JA you may have one... but you don't need one. (AO 60.152) I could have a medical degree but choose to drive trucks, does that mean I am a white collar worker??? NO.
You say that I must be degraded, demeaned, abused, trampled. Maybe.... but the only people I care about is my wife and family and now she has a budget 3 times of what I would be getting at gate 1. So I wouldn't say i feel degraded. I know my place in this world. If I wanted to be a very rich man I wounldn't have chosen to be a pilot, instead I'm wealthy man because I spend a lot of time with my family, I love my work and get paid a decent amount. Its only going to get worse for Phil companies, the majority of companies on the planet need pilots and will do anything to get them. PAL has 8 new 320s coming, SO?? EK has 50 new ac. Do the math guys....Semantics or not whatever collar, we should have the opportunity to choose our own lives, not have it dictated by any company or oppressive governments. Anyone seriously thinking about other companies... s g na come and see how good it really is!!
You say that I must be degraded, demeaned, abused, trampled. Maybe.... but the only people I care about is my wife and family and now she has a budget 3 times of what I would be getting at gate 1. So I wouldn't say i feel degraded. I know my place in this world. If I wanted to be a very rich man I wounldn't have chosen to be a pilot, instead I'm wealthy man because I spend a lot of time with my family, I love my work and get paid a decent amount. Its only going to get worse for Phil companies, the majority of companies on the planet need pilots and will do anything to get them. PAL has 8 new 320s coming, SO?? EK has 50 new ac. Do the math guys....Semantics or not whatever collar, we should have the opportunity to choose our own lives, not have it dictated by any company or oppressive governments. Anyone seriously thinking about other companies... s g na come and see how good it really is!!
